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September 24, 2017
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The march on Washington was without a doubt the freshest, most karma boosting, diamond raining and beaming experience of not only 2017 but for many juggalos lifetime. Something like this only happens once in a lifetime. For those 2000-3000 Juggalos that attended, you will forever be immortalized in Juggalo History books. We went out and represented the whole Juggalo world and we absolutely schooled it. Not one arrest was made, not one citation was given and we outnumbered the mother of all rallies. Many Juggalos and internet trolls will never support or recognize the freshness we were a part of that day but we stood up and we let it be know we have a voice and it will ne heard. For some people I get it, financially or for whatever reason you just couldn't make it. For everyone else who just didn't come.....Fuck you. For the bands that make a living touring off of Juggalos and weren't there......Fuck you. I have been riding high off of the Karma felt and gained from the March just like the others who were in attendance. We did it. We marched and had our own intimate personal piece of history performed in the nations capital on the national mall how devastating is that. THANK YOU ALL who attended and thank you all who supported the march and weren't being a bitches about how this was a publicity stunt. You right it was a publicity stunt for us, the Juggalos. Thanks to ICP and PSY ONLY were we given a voice. They stood up for us when we needed the help. They sued the FBI when their fans they brought together were being discriminated against. If you cant get behind that......dam I got no love for you. Were out here beaming and 17n its a great time to be a JUGGALO.

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Whoop whoop, i agree with you.....thanks to all who attended or supported this event...fuck the too cool for school losers who purposely missed it...stale points for those "juggalos" and artists that didnt support those who have been affected by this discrimination...i have my familys back, why dont you.

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September 24, 2017
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Well stated, my friend. Now that the dust has settled, I'm venturing into what I suppose may be divisive territory when it comes to my opinions on the "Fuck all who didn't march" rhetoric by pointing out an exceptional hole in that blanket statement.

I respect The R.O.C. for how he handled declining the march. His reasoning was fair, elegantly stated and as far as I can see it, sincere. I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said that as a man of his background it would be hypocritical to involve himself in a political demonstration for Juggalos while never once getting involved in the political movements that arose and impact his immediate community. I further respect him for this:

Regardless of the situation, this was still a vocalization of support and solidarity, also elegantly stated. I didn't like his last album, but from one man to another I find no fault with how he handled the situation.

I can never respect Twiztid and the broader MNE Staff for piggybacking that Grown-ass Man statement with their own feeble and cowardly sucker-duck.

"W-well if R.O.C. ain't marchin' we ain't either cuz we're a fuh-fuh-family too ya know!" Hiding behind another man's nobel reasoning with the cheapest possible cop-out, meanwhile not even being able to keep your ego in check long enough to float that miserable excuse to any depth of credibility in public. Paul at the very least let it be known that the real reason was office politics- specifically spite for an office he doesn't even work for anymore. That's fine, I guess, but be a man about it and own it. Say it outright instead of getting it trolled out of you, its at least more honest and respectable than keeping your feelings lo key til you get your panties in a twist.

Come to think of it, dude said a lot of dumb shit this past year.

"Juggalos didn't make our career. Without ICP we would've just been Independent Superstars Incorporated and still made it!" Sure thing, fuckboy, it sure worked out well for Level Jumpers. I'm sure Royce, D12 and King Gordy wouldn't have embarassed you at all at any point in that career trajectory. Great name tho.

"We don't need a march! Watch, we're gonna do a homeless outreach, a drug rehab and a mental health clinic!"

He's right tho. We're not a gang. We're mentally ill homeless drug addicts, apparently.

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I respect The R.O.C. for how he handled declining the march. His reasoning was fair, elegantly stated and as far as I can see it, sincere. I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said that as a man of his background it would be hypocritical to involve himself in a political demonstration for Juggalos while never once getting involved in the political movements that arose and impact his immediate community.

I have great respect for ROC. And to me, he is probably the dude who has been handling this whole beef thing the best. He seems to dislike this division himself and always tells Juggalos to not hate the other side and he shouts them out (like in the video). Which is dope. I also happen to dig him as an artist.

Plus it was great that he actually replied to the invitation. Unlike the rest of MNE who just gave us this "we decided as a label.." bullshit.

His reasoning actually made sense to me when I first read it (I believe Esham's reasoning was similiar?).

BUT when I thought about it more, I figured it's actually a pretty shitty excuse. The one thing doesn't exclude the other, right? There are BLM protests or whatever all the time. So if he feels like he should march for that before going on a Juggalo march, then why doesn't he? Go to the Juggalo march, and next/previous month go to something like BLM (or whatever, not interested in a discussion about BLM). What's the problem? The Juggalo march was only 1 day, it doesn't take away from his ability to protest more important things at all.

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Lots of valid points here, from FLH posters to J himself. Although I can't speak too much opinion as I didn't attend, I am glad and not even surprised that no arrests were made. The section of Juggalos that want to make a difference and could at this time, were probably 99% of the ones there. The other 1% were probably curious or looking for a party.

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September 24, 2017
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I never understood why people thought there were going to be problems or arrests. There was nothingt here for the trouble makers I mean no drugs no debauchery or anything like a party. So the people that would have done that stuff wore not goingt o spend money going there. They would have just went to the strip club or some festival. For the most part everyone I seent here were there to support the March.

 

I think it was super awesome yo sit back and watch icp play in the nation mall. I for one can't believe twizted would turn down the opportunity to do what icp did. And I started loosing respect for twizted a couple years ago when I seen them start reprinting all there freak show stuff since there it's like all they have done is redo all there old stuff. Does anyonek now if there'sb en any other band or rappers that have played there.

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jrw said
I never understood why people thought there were going to be problems or arrests. There was nothingt here for the trouble makers I mean no drugs no debauchery or anything like a party. So the people that would have done that stuff wore not goingt o spend money going there. They would have just went to the strip club or some festival. For the most part everyone I seent here were there to support the March.

 

I think it was super awesome yo sit back and watch icp play in the nation mall. I for one can't believe twizted would turn down the opportunity to do what icp did. And I started loosing respect for twizted a couple years ago when I seen them start reprinting all there freak show stuff since there it's like all they have done is redo all there old stuff. Does anyonek now if there'sb en any other band or rappers that have played there.  

No drugs or debauchery? Ha. But I agree with u on the most lol

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Chuckieboy said

No drugs or debauchery? Ha. But I agree with u on the most lol  

Right, drugs and debauchery were prevalent...i saw a wheelchair, a shopping cart, and an 8 year old get crowd surfed

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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

Right, drugs and debauchery were prevalent...i saw a wheelchair, a shopping cart, and an 8 year old get crowd surfed  

Aww 

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September 25, 2017
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I agree if someone could not make it for financial reasons or family reasons or any real legit reason I will never knock them. I was on the fence about going as well because at shows I always see someone acting a fool and I realize why we are looked down upon in society. I was hoping since it was across country or not a real easy trip to make that a lot of those Juggalos would stay home and not further societies opinion of us. Everyone who was there acted in the upmost professional fashion. Some of the signs that were made in my opinion were dumb lol like you know were going to be on national TV and this is essentially our 15 minutes of fame why draw a dick sign or something like that haha.

Now onto MNE. A few years back I noticed they STOPPED entirely saying juggalo it wasn't until the vast majority noticed that they started saying it again. And your right ROC despite me not being a fan of his music did come forward as a man and said why he wouldn't be going. Still that to me isn't a good enough reason. Because of your skin color and social problems your not going to represent the people who pay your bills. Weather it be black live matter or Juggalos isn't the underlying protest discrimination and equality? MNE didn't want to attend for the simple fact it was put on by Joe and Joey and they weren't getting a check or any masters for it. Its not because its publicity for another band, its publicity for the Juggalos. The articles all read JUGGALOS march on Washington. Not ICP marches on Washington. For the Juggalos who still have mad love for twiztid and blaze and MNE I ask why? When we needed them to represent us the most they were no where to be found. They chose not to show love for us in a major way. Up until this point I still listened to them and had a little bit of respect for them simply because it was between them and ICP. Now its between ICP/Juggalos and MNE in my opinion.

People say the march was bullshit and Twiztid should not have gone fuck that. We put them on and we got them into MNE. They would never have been shit without PSY and deep down they know it. That's the very reason they still follow the blue prints and tactics PSY does. Think about it. ICP does album covers...now MNE does. ICP runs a show with no paint....MNE does. ICP had hatchet attacks....MNE has attack of the ninjas. They could never be creative enough on their own and they know it. If they would just come out and say hey....we love Juggalos always have but because of business reasons with us and PSY we are trying to disassociate from them in a major way. They never will.

To sum it up lol anyone who didn't attend the march but supported it you are still the shit in my eyes. To anyone who rides with MNE and says the march was stupid....turn in your juggalo card and bounce the fuck out.

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RenoRyda said
I agree if someone could not make it for financial reasons or family reasons or any real legit reason I will never knock them.  

in my own case, its all good.  ill spend the next couple years knockin myself for it, anyway.     

  

Now onto MNE.

uh oh...  

A few years back I noticed they STOPPED entirely saying juggalo it wasn't until the vast majority noticed that they started saying it again.  

they did.  

aint brought up much these days, but they clearly did.  

And your right ROC despite me not being a fan of his music did come forward as a man and said why he wouldn't be going. Still that to me isn't a good enough reason. Because of your skin color and social problems your not going to represent the people who pay your bills. Weather it be black live matter or Juggalos isn't the underlying protest discrimination and equality?

dont think thats quite what he meant.  but ill get back to roc.  

MNE didn't want to attend for the simple fact it was put on by Joe and Joey and they weren't getting a check or any masters for it.  

there it fuckin is.  

now, if they were secure enough to actually say that to us, id have respected it some.  idve still rated it as a bitch move, but at least theyd have been honest about it.  

thats why im not inclined to pick on roc.  shit, he respected juggalos enough to actually give us a reason.  the rest simply made an excuse, if they said anything at all.  

Its not because its publicity for another band, its publicity for the Juggalos.    

no question, and they know it, and to say otherwise was, in all truth, a slap in our faces.  

... Now its between ICP/Juggalos and MNE in my opinion.   

dunno if thats right or not.  but i will say, i sometimes think thats what both labels are hopin for.  

spec:  icp wants juggalos to stop fuckin with mne, though they dont work that angle very hard.  they still wish it.  

spec:  mne wants to stop fuckin with juggalos.  they have worked that angle, a bit, they just know [today, if not always] that theyd be nowhere without us.  to wit:  

People say the march was bullshit and Twiztid should not have gone fuck that. We put them on and we got them into MNE.

now...  

They would never have been shit without PSY and deep down they know it.    

... im not so sure they know that.  

but theyve got to be aware that without juggalos, they would never have been shit.  to pretend otherwise means that, beyond mere ingrates, they are supremely shitty human beings.  we are all theyve got, all theyve ever had.  would be like owning a couple cattle ranches and bitchin about how you wish you could only sell to vegetarians.  

nonetheless, i still get that feeling, sometimes, that they really dont like us very much.  they act like its our job to do for them, and thats fuckin backwards.  

frankly, impression i got from em wasnt just that they didnt wanna march, they wanted us to stay home, too.  

To sum it up lol anyone who didn't attend the march but supported it you are still the shit in my eyes.    

agree.  totally.  

To anyone who rides with MNE and says the march was stupid....turn in your juggalo card and bounce the fuck out.  

wont agree totally.  also wont say that this isnt how i feel, cuz, i mean, yeah.  

but ill say this:  keep your eyes open.  

and go head and watch some of them videos [since, of course, you aint tryin to move].  see if you can figure out which label is playin their fanbase harder, which one gives more of a shit.  

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IDK how to copy quotes and shit but SCRUFFY your dope thanks for the respect and inputs right back to you....now

I don't want to believe they don't like us but I think when they STOPPED using Juggalo it was an attempt to disassociate with us and branch into something new. Maybe that's why they switched up their music style even more so then regular? Once they realized albums weren't selling they started saying Juggalo again and promoting and that could be too cause Joe and Joey called them on it. IDK just some thoughts jumping around on that.

I think why I say turn in your Juggalo card is because if it was not for ICP we wouldn't be here. People are so quick to point there fingers at ICP for everything but I look at it to like this. If Twiztid wasn't being managed on PSY like they wanted why didn't they do their own work. Clearly they know how they are running a label and doing shit themselves. So when they turncoat on us how can you follow something like that? Know what im saying lol

In my eyes PSYCHOPATHIC clearly gives more of a shit. They organized a march for us to be heard. Did the gang label affect them and their business...yes. But did they go on and on and on about there problems. no. They were mentioned but throughout this whole time they made Juggalos their main focus and stories. Not get us off the gang list so we can sell shirts at hot topic. Get us off the gang list so Juggalos can live their lives. The ACLU wouldn't help them based on t-shirt sales.

I recognize at then end of the day they are both businesses playing a game. That being said I truly believe ICP cares about Juggalos and enlightening their world. The march and the free concerts and charities they do speaks volumes. MNE is a revenge label and they are only using Juggalos for the money bottom line.

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Hurricane Irma fucked up a lot of shit for people.

Without getting into it, in a nutshell, I had to give up my car rental to a family member so that they could drive back into Florida to scout out the area and make sure that the house was still there or not underwater or without electricity before the rest of the family (including children and pets) would take the trip back as well.

Once again... I gave up something I wanted for something someone else needed. (I hope to get that karma back in the next year, heh)

 

I'm sure there are many like myself that would also like to thank @scottied & PsychoSkot for FacebookLive-ing the WHOLE March.

I was one of the 500-600 people that were all "Cyber Marching" right along with everyone LIVE! Thanks to the fine camera work and battery rationing of Scottie D and PsychoSkot, we were able to at least "feel" like we were all still Marching together!

It was awesome!

Thanks again, ninjas!

'~'=

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RenoRyda said     
I recognize at then end of the day they are both businesses playing a game.   

yup.    

That being said I truly believe ICP cares about Juggalos and enlightening their world. The march and the free concerts and charities they do speaks volumes.     

yup.    

MNE is a revenge label and they are only using Juggalos for the money bottom line.    

harsh, but fair.  

im seein it like this:

psychopathic is, at the end of the day, still for juggalos, by juggalos.  

majik ninja [and they aint the only, by a longshot] is for juggalos, by guys that used to be juggalos but now they know secret shit that youll never understand about it but the important thing is theyve got a cd comin out next week so be sure to buy a bundle package.  

 

really, though, this is all a sidebar to a footnote about the march.  just like anybody else who took time out of their day to naysay it.  doubters, haters, and dollar-short-day-laters.  

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RenoRyda said 
... For the Juggalos who still have mad love for twiztid and blaze and MNE I ask why? When we needed them to represent us the most they were no where to be found...

Here's part of Twiztid's statement regarding the Juggalo March for anyone interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRM09HHk9E

YouTube Video TWIZTID RESPONDS TO COMMENTS MADE IN INSANE CLOWN POSSE INTERVIEW/JUGGALO MARCH! 

When Madrox says "'I'm not trying to belittle someone for their beliefs... To me, that's not what a Juggalo is about... A Juggalo's about embracing your individuality..." that sums up why I still love MNE. They don't tell me what to do, & I don't tell them what to do. I'll represent myself.

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Fwiw i don't think twiztid ever wanted to drop juggalos, they just didn't want to be stuck juggalos. I think that's a very important distinction. Like tech, kmk, and others, they wanna be able to cash juggalo checks without having to be out there screaming juggalo into the crowd at shows, alienating non juggalos.

And for years upon years they've been on that. They recognize that juggalos will always be icp fans and that limits their own potential growth. When I liked them, I used to turn homies onto them who would be straight up about how they would bump them if it wasnt for the juggalo shit. I think twiztid fucked up by waiting too long to make that move.

They don't wanna drop juggalos. They don't wanna start over. They just don't wanna be pigeonholed.

They can miss me with any justification for not wanting to be part of the march. It was a bad idea. Tech too. They missed out on having amazing press and video footage.

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i was there at the march but nobOdy had there face painted man and they  was all holdng trump signs sayin mother rallay and nobody was drinkin neither it was real  wierd icp wasnt there too

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At 26:22....FUCK THAT COP!

lots of flh members in this video thus far....fuck, what a great adventure that was! 

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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
At 26:22....FUCK THAT COP!

lots of flh members in this video thus far....fuck, what a great adventure that was! 

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Mrs DMX and Drunkalo at 28:51, whoop whoop!

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