Agian more to hippie than just drugs. Eventually ur suppsed to be able reach these states with out drugs. Its the way. U cant buy enlightenment with 10 dollars. U can use it as a beginners tool.but at the end its for the monkeys and not for the devine. I also believe these plants arent just plants. They are ancient forces that reside inside. And forces isnt the word. U dont need a word. They should be respected. Not made into shirts and key chains. I mean they look beautiful and art is art and to each they own. But i believe its disrespectful to just flaunt and talk about them so ppl know what we do. It speaks volumes of our ego. The hole hippie aspect of the counter culture was supposed to be about consciousness and the death of the ego. Well to some. To some it was about cute blonde chicks with they tits out and drugs. Shamans dont even say these plants names out loud if they dont have to. This is just me. No im not pissed. No im not trying to tell u guys what to do. Im just speaking.

Heres the classic image i was talking about. Its the Buddha.

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
These plants and sacraments that get us "fucked up" have a reason for doing so...the only reason they give us "Divine Moments of Truth" is because their purpose is to keep us grounded. We have lost touch with our roots, and our roots put things in these plants to remind us where we come from, mostly because we are destroying where we come from...imma stop now before i make a huge rant, derailing the thread...

What you said bayAreaShaman is not wrong, but it is deeper than what you have discovered thus far. I know all about the stuff your ssaying, and you gotta understand that my suggestions are not coming from a drug aspect. All the "things" you percieve as drug related is an effect of what society as a whole named the "standard model" to be associated with said "things"...but at the root of mostly everything related with woodstock were created out of making a positive impact/change....society says drugs are bad, so they took their negatives on the situation and discredited it, and tricked all of society to demonize something great...and why did they do that,  cuz its human (society) nature to be non accepting of change, especially when they live life above the masses.

People didnt go to woodstock for the drugs, but thats all that gets portrayed from it...drugs only heightened an event that would of made a huge impact regardless...my suggestions come from my experience im having at the moment the thought was created, not drug induced...i came up with the alice idea cuz i was watching WOTH from gotj2016, not cuz i was thinking of drugs.

Shaman, we definitely need to sit down and chat one day face to face cuz im intrigued to hear how you came across the shamanic aspects of your being! Hopefully teaching eachother something fresh!  

With all due respect u should not assume what othet ppl know and u misinterpreted alot what i said. And u should not think so highly of what u do know.

Like saying things like what i perceive as drugs is only what society made me think? Like no spooky im sorry u made ur own model in ur head of what ppl are. Like boxes or files in ur head u like to put ppl in.

But like i said u have no idea what I actually know spooky and by the sound of it u dont actually undwrstand my point.

And like putting a drug on a shirt doesnt make it a drug cuz we think society has demonized it?

Symbolism matters.

I know u feel threatened and defensive cuz u feel like this ur element. But u need to stop assuming u know what ppl are and who they are. Its not only disrespectful but arrogant. Im sorry if i pias u off but if i didnt give a fuck About u i woukd keep my mouth shut.

"What you said bayAreaShaman is not wrong, but it is deeper than what you have discovered thus far. I know all about the stuff your ssaying, "

Wtf do u know wtf i discovered? U think ur the only one who's tapped into what ur doing?

I know im ass and should be nicer how i talk so u can listen but shit spooky...

U sound like a shaman.

U know whats one of the reason i called myself shaman? Cuz ppl that call themselves shaman are liars amd have no idea what they are talking about. Im sorry but like man...

This isnt the first time i thought this.

Maybe i should have PMed this but oh well.

Look ur doing urself a big disfavor if u automatically go " i know what type of giy he is. He just doesnt understand" from all the mushrooms u take i would have thought u learned this now. I went through the same thing where i thought i had ppl figured out cuz of psychedelics and disassociatives. I kinda just repeated what i said but on top of that said u dont know enough. Ive been into meso American religious practices since birth bro! U think that makes me an expert? U think be being actually native makes me an authority? NOPE. Like sheesh. Even when i PMed u on that other shit u jist said that i fell for propaganda.

Look man im shaking my hands with this shirt shit. Yes ill still pay for it and like handle the counting.

No spooky u dont know all about what i was saying. Nobody does. Especially some dude from hayward or ohio. Yeah we cam study shit. U know what read this book and after ill sit down with u. Till them man ill jist be too much of a dick and have no patience.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Teachings_of_Don_Juan

Sorry for assuming anything about u. .

My bad again for doing this on here and to the forum. I hope u guys just keep going. I wont respond to this particular post or to anything involing this shirt if it doesnt actually having to do with u getting one.

Perception is the folly of man

I just read what i posted and didnt mean to cone off like such an ass. Ill shoot u a pm. By bad.

Hope u guys come up with something cool.