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Insane Clown Posse & Juggalos Lose Appeals Court Fight

Well shit. We’re doin’ everything we can to have the FBI acknowledge that Juggalos aren’t a gang but shit continues to become more difficult. As of today, December 18th, 2017, we’ve lost the appeal challenging the 2011 FBI report that designated us (the fans of a music group) a gang.

The U.S. Justice Department states they’re not responsible for how authorities use a national report and dismissed the suit. The appeals panel did say, however, that ICP or Juggalos could pursue constitutional claims by suing individual officers rather than trying to tackle the entire FBI as a whole.

This is all happening just months after the Juggalo March on Washington which I’m sure a lot of you ninjas attended. God… dammit, ninjas.

Aside from suing individual law officers what more can be done?

You can actually check out the entire Appeal from the United States District Court by CLICKING HERE.

Check out the post put out by Detroit News by CLICKING HERE or check that out below.

Props to Robert Snell.

Detroit — Insane Clown Posse and several followers lost an appeal Monday challenging a 2011 FBI report that designated the music group’s fans as a gang.

The 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, Ohio, affirmed a Detroit judge’s ruling that the U.S. Justice Department isn’t responsible for how authorities use a national report on gangs and dismissed the suit. The fans, known as Juggalos, argued that the gang designation violated constitutional rights to free speech and due process and that they had been targeted by police because they have jewelry or tattoos with the group’s symbol, a man running with a hatchet.

The appeals panel Monday said the rap-metal duo and its fans could possibly pursue constitutional claims by suing individual officers.

The opinion comes three months after thousands of Insane Clown posse fans marched on Washington, D.C., and two months after oral arguments in Ohio.

The duo — Joseph Bruce, aka Violent J, and Joseph Utsler, aka Shaggy 2 Dope — and three fans “failed to demonstrate that the Juggalo gang designation results in legal consequences,” the appeals panel wrote in its opinion Monday.

A lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, which filed a lawsuit on behalf of Juggalos and the group, could not be reached for comment immediately Monday.

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  1. cRyPtiC_tHe_CLoWn

    cRyPtiC_tHe_CLoWn

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 03:54 pm GMT -5 at 3:54 pm

    “rap-metal” lmao. Honestly ICP has nothing metal about them. Maybe some rockish music but ‘rap-metal? just shows how detached outsiders are from what ICP is.

  2. SpOOky J

    SpOOky J

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 04:53 pm GMT -5 at 4:53 pm

    They’ve always had the rock influence found in MEC’S production found in their sound, since Riddlebox. Shit, since “The Dead One” from Ringmaster if you wanna be technical. Just sayin’. Nothing new to me from this side of coin. “I’ll never mix rap with rock & roll- like somebody else I know”- next 10 albums have guitar laced tracks every other song lol

  3. Miklo Velka

    Miklo Velka

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 05:17 pm GMT -5 at 5:17 pm

    Yup, it’s pile-on time.

    I told you jackasses you were marching over some bull shit.

    At this point everything comes down to this-

    Get off the pills Joe!!

  4. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 01:52 am GMT -5 at 1:52 am

    why is this faggot talking ^^^

  5. Robocop

    Robocop

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 05:23 pm GMT -5 at 5:23 pm

    We was a gang. A violent ruthless southwest Detroit street gang…..but this gang wasn’t so ruthless seeing how we got our assess kicked every night!

  6. Noah Fence

    Noah Fence

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 06:04 pm GMT -5 at 6:04 pm

    Been saying since day one, they shoulda gone after a few of the smaller cases individually and hopefully get the arguments made by attorneys that it’s the fbis fault. Let a court agree and then go after fbi.

  7. sketchez

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 06:12 pm GMT -5 at 6:12 pm

    Nobody beats the government

  8. Carnivalkilla44

    Carnivalkilla44

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 07:30 pm GMT -5 at 7:30 pm

    Gotta give props for the effort and I still feel the march was 100% worth it (though I did not feel that way at first). IMO, no sense in wasting more money on lawsuits/appeals. Let’s move on with the positivity and keep the juggalo movement alive and on track.

  9. Reverend Leviathan

    Reverend Leviathan

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 09:48 pm GMT -5 at 9:48 pm

    Carnivalkilla44, exactly! If anything the march showed the world that Juggalos can be civil and that we’re not a gang, regardless of the outcome. Let’s move on and stay positive!

  10. Cherryfuzz

    Cherryfuzz

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 08:01 pm GMT -5 at 8:01 pm

    If ya nuts hang n you bang with a gang then tell me are you Down wit the Clown?! ayyy!

  11. backstabber

    backstabber

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 09:51 pm GMT -5 at 9:51 pm

    It’s over! It’s done! Give it up! Juggs R a Gang! W # W !

  12. FuckmeFuck

    FuckmeFuck

    Comment posted on Monday, December 18th, 2017 10:24 pm GMT -5 at 10:24 pm

    I’d say it’s the lawyers fault for losing the appeal. He should’ve known the nutrition facts and ate the head bean instead of the whole burrito.

  13. Robocop

    Robocop

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 01:53 am GMT -5 at 1:53 am

    Well guess I’m letting my hatchetman rag hang out.my back pocket and throwing up my wicked clown signs. Bout time we can stop acting like peaceful hippies and terrorise our communities again.

  14. MNEJVoorhees

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 01:53 pm GMT -5 at 1:53 pm

    Did anyone actually have any faith in the JuggaLawyer?
    This was supposed to be the most serious thing they have ever done, EVER.
    “lets call upon the juggalawyer to combat the FBI” lol!
    Sheeeit I bet they wished they could have just summoned the magic ninjas to fight the FBI.

  15. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 02:38 pm GMT -5 at 2:38 pm

    they did summon the majik ninjas, but majik ninjas were too busy painting their nails and beings divas to squash beef so they can represent for a people thats supported them their whole careers.

  16. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 02:55 pm GMT -5 at 2:55 pm

    The National Gang Intelligence Center was formed BY THE FBI in 2005 AT THE DIRECTION of Congress to help them deal not only with organized known gangs, but also hybrid gangs. The 2011 report IS CLEAR that Juggalos have been classified as a gang in ONLY FOUR STATES. Arizona. California. Utah. Pennsylvania. These NGIC reports are issued every two years. There were no Juggalos in the 2013 or 2015 report as the judges pointed out. Judges are also pointing out that the 2011 report is not saying anything like “Juggalos are a nationwide gang.” The 2011 report is also not a legal final directive for every state in the country on how to treat Juggalos if you see them or have to deal with them in places like divorce court. Nowhere in the 2011 NGIC report is there anything saying like, “Keep kids away from their Juggalo parents during a divorce.” What the judgement is saying is that if you think your rights have been violated, take it back to the local/state level and sue the police for violation of your rights. It looked at the sub sets and even disorganized nature of some INDEPENDENT Juggalo gangs. This and the fact they never committed serious crimes like murder or rape meant they were determined NOT to be a serious national gang threat and that is why THEY WERE NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN in 2013 or 2015.

    The judges are saying, “The FBI assessed them for one year because by 2011, FOUR STATES chose to claim Juggalos were a gang. We looked at their semi disorganized, largely independent nature from other Juggalo sub groups, saw they didn’t commit serious crimes like rape or murder, made the recommendation that states deal with them how they see fit and that’s it.” That is why Juggalos were NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN. In other words that judges are saying, “the states will not be allowed the loophole of blaming the FBI. Especially if this state is not a state that legally decided Juggalos were a gang.” The judges are also saying that the states won’t be able to say, “The FBI said Juggalos were a gang in 2011. We’re going by what they said about Juggalos.” The Supreme Court has basically denied the ability in the future for the states to use this loophole and pass the buck to blame the NGIC for their shitty behaviour towards Juggalos.

    The silver lining that Juggalos don’t see is that the Supreme Court has GIVEN FULL PERMISSION TO SUE THE FUCK out of the local/state police that have fucked with Juggalos and violated their rights for no reason. And that these corrupt local/state authorities will not be allowed to blame the FBI. The Supreme Court seems to be guaranteeing accountability and saying that one agency won’t be able to blame the other back and forth in court for years and that Juggalos will be able to get some restitution if they follow the correct procedure.

  17. Lilej2

    Lilej2

    Comment posted on Wednesday, December 20th, 2017 01:19 am GMT -5 at 1:19 am

    Dude you need to start posting this on as many Juggalo related sites, Facebook groups, etc. because more Juggalos (and even ICP) need to see this and stop thinking the fight is with the government and the FBI

  18. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 02:59 pm GMT -5 at 2:59 pm

    Oh and by the way, does anyone remember CPN making a big deal out of this 2008 internal FBI memo where a few officers decided on their own Juggalos were a gang? And this was proof that a gang list existed?
    https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2013/mar/07/fbi-reveals-why-it-labeled-insane-clown-posse-gang/
    Turns out the memo was issued in Salt Lake City, Utah in 2008. This is one of the states that had enough Juggalo shit going on that they labeled Juggalos a gang. This was not a federal, nationwide document. This was a localized, internal memo confined to ONE STATE. This Salt Lake City FBI 2008 internal memo is not a federal gang list. DUH!

  19. MNEJVoorhees

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 03:25 pm GMT -5 at 3:25 pm

    Were they summoned? They didn’t wanna march but I never heard a damn thing about MNE being called upon to fight the supposed gang label in court. Sounds made up. Just like this whole gang list.
    Just to satiate my curiosity, can anyone provide a clickable link to the 2011 gang list document? I just wanna see it for myself.

  20. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 03:32 pm GMT -5 at 3:32 pm

    National Gang Threat Assessment 2011 from the National Gang Intelligence Center.
    https://www.npr.org/documents/JusticeandJuggalos.pdf
    Also.
    https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

    There is also Juggalos: Emerging Gang Trends and Criminal Activity
    Intelligence Report
    15 February 2011
    https://info.publicintelligence.net/NGIC-Juggalos.pdf

    As said before, that Muckracker thing was an internal SALT LAKE CITY FBI internal memo reflecting the OPINION of a few agents that Juggalos were a gang in Utah. We already know Utah was one of the four states that classified Juggalos as a gang. Only four. The 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment was CLEAR on this fact. So this 2008 Salt Lake City Utah internal memo is also NOT a national gang list. The 2011 reports (well both of them) contained NO DIRECTIVE

  21. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 03:34 pm GMT -5 at 3:34 pm

    NO DIRECTIVE, telling states how to treat Juggalos. That is why states can’t pass the buck to the FBI for their attack on Juggalos’ rights. That is what the Supreme Court has ruled. So the Supreme Court has closed this possible loophole incase states get taken to court for violating Juggalos’ rights. So if the Supreme Court is guaranteeing that states can not pass the buck to the feds, then I say do what CPN is only suggesting now, but that Chuck Reeves suggested AT THE START OF THE YEAR IN JANUARY with his first show on CPN’s channel. TAKE THE FIGHT TO THE LOCAL/STATE LEVEL.

  22. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 04:00 pm GMT -5 at 4:00 pm

    Okay for some reason, I can’t see my 3:32 comment that I accidentally cut off and had to make the 3:34 post. I guess it is awaiting approval. I say this in case some readers can’t understand my 3:34 post. There is a 3:32 one. And it contains all the links that MNEJVoorhees could want or ask for.

  23. Robocop

    Robocop

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 10:09 pm GMT -5 at 10:09 pm

    Damn u sound like the lawyer. Thanks for breaking it down for us.

  24. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 04:21 pm GMT -5 at 4:21 pm

    National Gang Threat Assessment 2011 from the National Gang Intelligence Center.
    https://www.npr.org/documents/JusticeandJuggalos.pdf
    Also.
    https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

    There is also Juggalos: Emerging Gang Trends and Criminal Activity
    Intelligence Report
    15 February 2011
    https://info.publicintelligence.net/NGIC-Juggalos.pdf

    As said before, that Muckracker thing was an internal SALT LAKE CITY FBI internal memo reflecting the OPINION of a few agents that Juggalos were a gang in Utah. We already know Utah was one of the four states that classified Juggalos as a gang. Only four. The 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment was CLEAR on this fact. So this 2008 Salt Lake City Utah internal memo is also NOT a national gang list. The 2011 reports (well both of them) contained NO DIRECTIVE…

  25. scruffy

    scruffy

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 09:23 pm GMT -5 at 9:23 pm

    oy.

  26. hippiekush

    hippiekush

    Comment posted on Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 10:31 pm GMT -5 at 10:31 pm

    i remember seeing someone on here with a gang profile pic can’t remember the name but it was like vice lords or something

  27. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, December 20th, 2017 12:32 am GMT -5 at 12:32 am

    Check the topic about Twiztid in MNE “burying the Juggalo march.”
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/twiztid-just-buried-the-juggalo-march-at-a-meet-and-greet-backstage-waudio/page-11/
    I have made some updates, amendments, and changed my opinions as evidence permitted. This shows I don’t suck CPN’s dick or Chuck Reeves’ dick. The only dick that I suck is science and evidence. LOL. The topic is at page 11 now. On that most recent page and in my most recent post there, it has much of the same comments I just made, plus some very important government documents that I linked up to so we can all read them.

  28. MellahNix

    Comment posted on Friday, December 22nd, 2017 10:11 pm GMT -5 at 10:11 pm

    Thats crazy some folx in face paint are considered gang members and these skinny jeans 👖 and ugg boot trap music making PERCOCET popping redundant individuals are OK

  29. kukluxklown

    kukluxklown

    Comment posted on Saturday, December 23rd, 2017 10:38 am GMT -5 at 10:38 am

    Juggalos rise up and become a gang!

    -T9

  30. scruffy

    scruffy

    Comment posted on Saturday, December 23rd, 2017 06:05 pm GMT -5 at 6:05 pm

    mne say they aint got nuthin to say bout it…
    look to me like they do, though. lots to say bout it.

  31. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, January 2nd, 2018 09:45 am GMT -5 at 9:45 am

    Thanks for the props Lilej2 and Robocop. I don’t post a lot on other places. I bet you guys do. Pass the link to this faygoluvers article around to others. I also recommend people put their prejudices aside and watch Chuck Reeves break it down. All he does is let the documents speak for themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWzMS-YnUyw#t=59m30s

  32. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, January 3rd, 2018 02:52 pm GMT -5 at 2:52 pm

    Chuck Reeves from October also speaks from LEGAL DOCUMENTS.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40XlUPdPXas#t=20m40s

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