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Blaze Ya Dead Homie – Gang Rags 10th Anniversary Coming Soon

On June 26th the dead man will re-release his classic original Gang Rags album once again on CD since it’s out of print and on 2LP Vinyl.
The vinyl’s will be randomly colored including Green,Red,Blue,Black and White.
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    Faygoluvers Comments

  1. the_patriot_smack

    the_proud_smack

    Comment posted on Friday, June 5th, 2020 10:47 pm GMT -5 at 10:47 pm

    10 years??

    I feel old

  2. theRealMikeySinder

    theRealMikeySinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 7th, 2020 08:38 am GMT -5 at 8:38 am

    Naw, I don’t need a sex op! I like having only 1 hole for Twiztid meat to slide in and out of.

  3. Bonesaw Wizardstick

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 7th, 2020 10:13 am GMT -5 at 10:13 am

    Hold up. So what you just stated is that either: 1. Twiztid regularly fucks you in the ass. Or. 2. You regularly suck Twiztid’s dick.

  4. KrowDaddy502

    KrowDaddy502

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 27th, 2020 06:51 am GMT -5 at 6:51 am

    Lmfao to funny

  5. FuckmeFuck

    FuckmeFuck

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 7th, 2020 10:35 am GMT -5 at 10:35 am

    Anyways……keep hustlin dead man. the original gang ragz fuckin sucks. It wreaks of joe Bruce staleness. Now that extended gang ragz album, that’s the real shit.

  6. Halloween

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 7th, 2020 11:26 pm GMT -5 at 11:26 pm

    I loved the OG version of gang rags. I enjoyed extended cut version/reborn too but OG gang rags will always be my favorite of all the gang rags versions.

  7. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 03:15 am GMT -5 at 3:15 am

    “Joe Bruce staleness”? Who is this cock sucker? There wouldn’t be a Psychopathic records or Twiztid if not for that “Joe Bruce staleness”. Sitting there with your gay as fuck adventure time picture. You can’t call no one stale with that shit.

  8. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 03:17 am GMT -5 at 3:17 am

    Definitely some decent tracks on the Psy version of Gang Rags, it’s better than the staleness he releases on Mne.

  9. Bonesaw Wizardstick

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 07:04 am GMT -5 at 7:04 am

    Adventure Time? You mean South Park? You’re on a roll with the intelligent comments as usual.

  10. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 09:54 am GMT -5 at 9:54 am

    I will venture a guess that this is the MNE “reborn” version for one simple reason. The last time MNE tried to release something of Blaze that was originally on Psychopathic Records, it was a picture disc of his first EP where he’s got that stocking on his face. That was discontinued. Probably because of a cease and desist order.

    I doubt MNE would be so foolish as to try something like that with another Psychopathic release of Blaze.

  11. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 10:36 am GMT -5 at 10:36 am

    I guess I’m wrong. If this is the 10th anniversary edition, then it would be the psychopathic records release. Second of all, the track list on the vinyl page is the same as the original release from 10 years ago.

    I wonder if MNE can do this because there are no more psychopathic cds of it left. Hopefully psychopathic won’t throw a fit and say, “fuck you blaze, you don’t get to make any money off of your album now just because I can’t afford to reprint it.”

    Sorry Joe Bruce, but you don’t get to act like a major label tyrant. You tried to clamp down on physical copies of Twiztid’s music by not keeping their cds in print, and thankfully they bargained their masters out of you. It was the right thing for them to do to keep their music alive in dope vinyl format and sell it out there for those who still buy physical formats like me.

  12. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 02:18 pm GMT -5 at 2:18 pm

    Bonesaw Wizardstick it’s from one of those fuckin cartoons, either way FuckmeFuck is still a faggot.

  13. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 02:27 pm GMT -5 at 2:27 pm

    Vinyllover showing yourself to be a fucking idiot once wasn’t enough so you had to come back for round 2.
    “Sorry Joe Bruce, but you don’t get to act like a major label tyrant. You tried to clamp down on physical copies of Twiztid’s music by not keeping their cds in print, and thankfully they bargained their masters out of you”…….vinyllover….you….fucking…..idiot. If J wanted to be a “major label tyrant” (whatever the fuck that means) why would he give them the masters to Twiztids and Blazes back catalogue AT ALL, if he really wanted to do what you claim he wanted to do then he would have just kept all the masters you dim witted moron. You make up scenarios in your head and it makes you sound like a simple minded child.

  14. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 03:07 pm GMT -5 at 3:07 pm

    ” If J wanted to be a “major label tyrant” (whatever the fuck that means) why would he give them the masters to Twiztids and Blazes back catalogue AT ALL, ”

    J said in the faygoluvers interview with Scottie D that as a label you NEVER give away your masters. He was UPSET that twiztid said give us masters or we don’t come to the gathering. You have a short memory. Since the label was short on money (like always) and wasn’t keeping physical Twiztid product reprinted and circulating WHY SHOULD TWIZTID SIT BACK AND LET THEIR PHYSICAL MEDIA DIE THUS DEPRIVING CUSTOMERS LIKE ME FROM COOL VINYL AND CD PRODUCT, BECAUSE JOE BRUCE IS LOSING MONEY? HOW COME NO 17%ER CAN ANSWER THAT TO THIS DAY? The fact that Joe Bruce couldn’t keep physical Twiztid product in print and therefore DIDN’T WANT THEM TO BECAUSE ‘MUH MASTERS’, shows what a petty fuckhead he was being about it. Christ, not even CPN has a beef with Twiztid wanting masters to keep their physical product out there. Why the fuck should you or anyone else?

    No 17%er to this day has given me one good reason why Twiztid should have sat back and let their physical media die, while at the same time thinking that if ICP played Island like that, it would be a victory for the underground and therefore okay. No 17%er could ever justify such hypocrisy and Joe Bruce dick riding on a logical level. And I doubt you will either, Mikey.

  15. Bonesaw Wizardstick

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 03:27 pm GMT -5 at 3:27 pm

    “it’s from one of those fuckin cartoons, either way FuckmeFuck is still a faggot.” – Mikey.

    One the same page: “Naw, I don’t need a sex op! I like having only 1 hole for Twiztid meat to slide in and out of.” – Mikey.

    Who’s a faggot?

  16. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 04:41 pm GMT -5 at 4:41 pm

    Bonesaw Wizardstick – if you actually had a brain you would have seen that that comment was not made by me but rather some sad loser who spent time making a fake account of me. That person is pathetic and clearly a loser. Try a little harder Bonesaw.

  17. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 04:50 pm GMT -5 at 4:50 pm

    An vinyllover I thought you mighta been one of the intelligent folk in here but you’re clearly a brain dead fuckwit. I don’t have a short memory you’re just too retarded to process simple information. J was only annoyed because Twiztid were black mailing Psychopathic to get masters back. And check this out you fucking idiot, if J really wanted to, he could have said “no deal, we’re keeping the masters” (which is what any other record label would have done) but he gave them up because he knew juggalos peeped Twiztid out at the gathering, so your whole argument doesn’t make any sense you brain dead idiot. And like you would know how much money Psychopathic has at any given time, you don’t know shit so stop pretending you do. CDs aren’t being reprinted because CDs are dying out you fuckwit, you think Psy is gonna spend the money so 5000 CDs can sit in a warehouse and do fuck all? This is why you’re an idiot Vinyllover.

  18. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:02 pm GMT -5 at 5:02 pm

    That is not extortion on Twiztid’s part. That’s a deal for Joe Bruce to give up masters for two reasons. #1. No dipping into the bank account of Psychopathic Records. #2. ICP WASN’T PUTTING CD’S BACK INTO PRINT THAT NEEDED TO STAY IN PRINT.
    “if J really wanted to, he could have said “no deal, we’re keeping the masters” (which is what any other record label would have done) but he gave them up because he knew juggalos peeped Twiztid out at the gathering,”
    Which means Joe didn’t really want to do that, silly. By saying that nobody buys cds or even vinyl that much, you’re just proving my point that ICP WAS NOT GOING TO PUT TWIZTID’S MUSIC BACK INTO PHYSICAL FORMAT FOR OLD HEADS LIKE ME! Since you have only proven my point that Twiztid’s music was going to die a physical death, WILL YOU STOP DODGING ME AND DIRECTLY ANSWER MY QUESTION: Why shouldn’t old heads like me be able to buy vinyl and cd from MNE if Psychopathic can’t do it? Why should Twiztid let their music die physically when you know damn well you would never tell ICP to let their music die physically on Island? Why double standards? Why one standard for ICP and one for Twiztid?

  19. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:10 pm GMT -5 at 5:10 pm

    Check the vinyl section of MNE store. Guess what’s NOT there anymore due to selling out? FREEK SHOW, GREEN BOOK, WICKED AND ABOMINATIONZ! Granted Twiztid only made 1000 of Freek show and 1500 of Abominationz. But they were smart in doing limited runs that saved them money from huge production costs and they made money back in vinyl sales. I even got a cd of the MNE abominationz as well as the picture disc vinyl! However, those titles (except Freek show) can be found on distribution sites like fab.ca that supply chain stores. In other words, whatever is left is out there, but MNE sold them all off successfully!

    Once again, no 17%er can explain why Twiztid should have let their albums die a physical death when they could have – and did – give them new life.

  20. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:22 pm GMT -5 at 5:22 pm

    Basically the refrain of 17%ers is “hey twiztid. You’re not allowed to make money on your product even when nobody else is. Even if you only do a run of 1000 or 1500.” It’s fucking stupid.

    Why shouldn’t old heads like me be able to buy vinyl and cd from MNE if Psychopathic can’t do it?
    Why should Twiztid let their music die physically when you know damn well you would never tell ICP to let their music die physically on Island?
    Why double standards?
    Why one standard for ICP and one for Twiztid?

  21. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:30 pm GMT -5 at 5:30 pm

    You can dress it up however you like Vinylover but it was blackmail, Twiztid black mailed masters out of Psy or they wouldn’t play the gathering, You know what ICP would have done in that situation? They woulda played the Gathering for free, but cock suckers like Twiztid used it as a way to black mail Psychopathic. If you’re not a fucking idiot you know that CDs don’t sell anymore, especially CDs that were released like 20 fucking years ago. I wasn’t talking about TWIZTIDS CDs dying I was talking about all CDs dying. Did you notice ICP didn’t even really properly release physical CDs of NEW releases?
    FF6 CD no real press up and distribution of physical CDs.
    Brother CD no real press up and distribution of physical CDs.
    Gloomy Sunday CD no real press up and distribution of physical CDs.
    These are all CDs that if they were released 30 years ago they all woulda be pressed up and distributed on a national and worldwide level in CD form, but they weren’t, You know why? Because almost no one buys CDs anymore, and these are ICP releases so it has nothing to do with Twiztid you fucking idiot, they’re just not gonna press up CDs just so they can collect dust. I didn’t prove any of your points I only disproved all of your points, the only thing you’ve proven is you know jack shit about how the music industry works.

  22. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:30 pm GMT -5 at 5:30 pm

    To answer your very dim witted question which is wasn’t dodging you’re just too dumb to interpret my response as an answer. But to put into simple terms for you the answer to your question is when a record label releases an album, the album belongs to that record label. It is entirely within the labels right to keep the albums that they put out in the past. After all the back stabbing that Twiztid had done J should in no way feel like he should give his own record labels masters to some back stabbing cock suckers like Twiztid. But even if you remove the personal element the fact still remains that as a record label you never give up your masters, that’s how the music industry is you simple minded idiot.

  23. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:34 pm GMT -5 at 5:34 pm

    I haven’t got double standards you fuckwit, ICP repeatedly talk about trying to get their masters from major labels, have you heard me whining and protesting any of those major labels like you are with Psy right now? No you fucking idiot so I haven’t shown any signs of a double standard.

  24. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 05:43 pm GMT -5 at 5:43 pm

    ” ICP repeatedly talk about trying to get their masters from major labels, have you heard me whining and protesting any of those major labels like you are with Psy right now? No.”
    No double standards? Then you should be fine with what Twiztid did since vinyl CLEARLY SELLS. So let’s check your own words.
    ” when a record label releases an album, the album belongs to that record label. It is entirely within the labels right to keep the albums that they put out in the past.”
    LOL. There you go. ICP can do whatever they want to get access to their masters to press vinyl for fans, but not Twiztid. I know damn well if ICP was in a situation where their albums were about to die a physical death and they pulled a Twiztid on Island records, you would be fine with it. Like I said, one standard for ICP, and one for Twiztid.
    P.S.
    As for your backstabbing comment regarding Twiztid, I don’t know what you’re referring to. Maybe if ICP didn’t fuck over Twiztid first, there wouldn’t be such a strained relationship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbn7oWydxmE
    (7 minute clip)
    This video is took from Monoxide’s Instagram Live video from 3/19/19

    ICP FUCKED OVER TWIZTID FIRST. SO BAD THAT THEY ALMOST LEFT DURING THE GREEN BOOK. AND JOE BRUCE WENT BACK TO HIS OLD WAYS. TWIZTID WAS PHYSICALLY ATTACKED AND SHORTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS! WHO SHOT FIRST? You expect Twiztid to let an asshole like Joe Bruce let their music die a physical death when people like me will pay for vinyl to the point of them sellling out of the vinyl?

  25. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 06:12 pm GMT -5 at 6:12 pm

    ” ICP repeatedly talk about trying to get their masters from major labels, have you heard me whining and protesting any of those major labels like you are with Psy right now? No.”
    No double standards? Then you should be fine with what Twiztid did since vinyl CLEARLY SELLS. So let’s check your own words.
    ” when a record label releases an album, the album belongs to that record label. It is entirely within the labels right to keep the albums that they put out in the past.”
    LOL. There you go. ICP can do whatever they want to get access to their masters to press vinyl for fans, but not Twiztid. I know damn well if ICP was in a situation where their albums were about to die a physical death and they pulled a Twiztid on Island records, you would be fine with it. Like I said, one standard for ICP, and one for Twiztid.

  26. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 07:17 pm GMT -5 at 7:17 pm

    I’m afraid you’re just too dumb to have a proper conversation with, everything you gathered from my points aren’t anywhere to be seen in what I said. You claimed I had a double standard, I showed that I clearly don’t because I have the same attitude no matter who owns the masters. The fact you got THAT from what I said clearly shows how much of a retard you are. I said ICP can do whatever they want WITH THE MASTERS THEY OWN you fucking idiot, not the masters they don’t own, just like the people who own some of ICPs masters can do whatever they like WITH THE MASTERS THEY OWN, why are you this dumb? No double standard to be seen on my end so get fucked. ICPs albums ARE dying in physical form you dumbass that was the WHOLE point of my last post, ICPs physical sales are dying just like any artist, But I’m not whining like a bitch like you are for them to have their old masters back, so again, no double standard to be seen over here you simple minded fuck.

  27. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 08:12 pm GMT -5 at 8:12 pm

    “ICPs albums ARE dying in physical form you dumbass that was the WHOLE point of my last post, ICPs physical sales are dying just like any artist,”
    Apparently not dying enough since Twiztid COMPLETELY SOLD OUT of the vinyl they made from former Psychopathic masters in LIMITED RUNS of 1000 or 1500 and not the fictional 5000 you just made up that Psychopathic would’ve had for a minimum! A smaller run was smarter for MNE. This fact about Twiztid selling out of the vinyl made off former Psychopathic masters, proves you have NO POINT about physical sales declining. If not for Twiztid getting their masters, they wouldn’t have been able to make that money. So I will ask again. Why should Twiztid let their physical copies die on Psychopathic when they can give it new life on MNE? Why should Twiztid be forced to suck it up and NOT MAKE MONEY off those anymore because Joe Bruce is either a dick or incompetent with money? If Island was losing money like Psychopathic is, why shouldn’t ICP have the right to make a twiztid type bargain with Island to rescue their work from oblivion?

  28. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 09:14 pm GMT -5 at 9:14 pm

    10 years ago, i never would have thought that our family would be so divided. Twiztid did blackmail icp with their masters in order to do wizard of the hood at gotj. Mikey, all j had to say was no, but that gathering was fucking dope that year, so I’m glad he caved. All in all, if the clowns never work with twiztid again, so be it. But let’s move past the inter family hatred. I have been a juggalo for far too long to see it go to shit over someone else’s arguments. Let’s let j and paul have their beef. It’s not our’s. Mmfwcl

  29. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 09:30 pm GMT -5 at 9:30 pm

    “Twiztid did blackmail icp with their masters in order to do wizard of the hood at gotj.”
    Nope. It was them giving Joe Bruce and a money hemorrhaging label a deal. Put ICP in the hole with more money demands, or take NO money from them and simply get a master that Psychopathic Records wasn’t using to make reissues of vinyl and cd anyway. Would you rather Twiztid demand cash and hurt the label more? Come on. It was them being nice. You do realize that ICP goes in the hole for money every time they do a gathering right? Joe Bruce admitted this. With the masters thing, ICP KEPT money, and Twiztid got to make money. Everybody won. How do you not see that? Besides, ICP fucked Twiztid around first.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbn7oWydxmE
    (7 minute clip)
    This video is took from Monoxide’s Instagram Live video from 3/19/19

    Maybe you can answer those last 3 questions I asked in the bottom of my last post.

  30. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 09:57 pm GMT -5 at 9:57 pm

    Simple, they don’t own the masters to them lol. All this cock sucker can talk about is vinyl. CDs are still dying out, 5000 was just an example you fucktard, the point still remains that CDs are dying and that’s why Psy doesnt press up albums that were released decades ago you dim witted idiot.

  31. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 10:01 pm GMT -5 at 10:01 pm

    Njones20 I’m liking you more and more. But as far as the devide goes you can thank cock suckers like vinyllover and Twiztid who want to spew hate at the man who started it all. Fuck vinyllover he’s not my family and never was. Mmfwcl

  32. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 10:10 pm GMT -5 at 10:10 pm

    Yes we all know you want to distract from the fact that ICP wasn’t using Twiztid masters to do anything, but Twiztid had the brilliant idea to use them to make vinyl and it ended up working so much that they have no more in their warehouse. We all know you want to ignore vinyl and focus on cds to distract from the following:
    Why should Twiztid let their physical copies die on Psychopathic when they can give it new life on MNE?
    Why should Twiztid be forced to suck it up and NOT MAKE MONEY off those anymore because Joe Bruce is either a dick or incompetent with money?
    If Island was losing money like Psychopathic is, why shouldn’t ICP have the right to make a twiztid type bargain with Island to rescue their work from oblivion?

  33. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 8th, 2020 10:11 pm GMT -5 at 10:11 pm

    We all know you want to ignore my brilliant point in my response to njones:
    “It was them giving Joe Bruce and a money hemorrhaging label a deal. Put ICP in the hole with more money demands, or take NO money from them and simply get a master that Psychopathic Records wasn’t using to make reissues of vinyl and cd anyway. Would you rather Twiztid demand cash and hurt the label more? Come on. It was them being nice. You do realize that ICP goes in the hole for money every time they do a gathering right? Joe Bruce admitted this. With the masters thing, ICP KEPT money, and Twiztid got to make money. Everybody won. How do you not see that?”
    Mikey:
    “as far as the devide goes you can thank cock suckers like vinyllover and Twiztid who want to spew hate at the man who started it all.”
    yes I know you don’t like me spitting facts about the ‘gang list’ and how you 17%ers don’t know how to read it properly. If anyone created a divide, it was Joe Bruce with how he fucked Twiztid around for years.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYJ6JPMqpI#t=17m40s

  34. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 04:04 am GMT -5 at 4:04 am

    How have I distracted from that? That’s all I’ve been talking about with your simple ass. If you think something like vinyl is going to save physical sales then you truly are a fucking idiot. I’m not distracting from vinyl you retard, vinyl sells EVEN LESS than CDs hahaha are you that stupid? This is your argument “but what about vinyl!” Lol you sound like such a dumb fuck.
    Here’s the reason, because the label owns the album, its their property, they can do what they like with it, it’s as simple as that. I’ve told you that very simply reason multiple times now and your still yapping like a dog, and when I say dog, I mean like a really fucking retarded dog that’s been run over a few times but somehow survived.

  35. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 08:09 am GMT -5 at 8:09 am

    It’s hilarious that this dipshit vinyllover posts Monoxide getting stoned as if it’s some sort of hard evidence, the guys a diva, and one that’s been caught lying so many times. Remember when he tried to bullshit to the world that Twiztid wanted nothing to do with the Eminem beef? Haha what a fucking joke. Twiztid are some lying back stabbing divas and are clearly the cause of the devide, all the real juggalos know this, and we just laugh at twizzlers like vinyllover, what a deluded douchebag, no wonder he likes Twiztid haha

  36. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 08:52 am GMT -5 at 8:52 am

    Vinyl selling less than cd’s OVERALL in the WHOLE WORLD as a macro view has NOTHING TO DO with the MIRCO view of Twiztid doing limited vinyl runs and selling out, THUS ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY OFF THE MASTERS that Joe Bruce NEVER would have made since he did NOTHING with them whereas Twiztid did. Mikey is thick headed. This UNDENIABLE FACT about Twiztid managing to use those masters to SELL PRODUCT until they have none left and thus MAKING MONEY, leads us back to the same questions:
    Why should Twiztid let their physical copies die on Psychopathic when they can give it new life on MNE?
    Why should Twiztid be forced to suck it up and NOT MAKE MONEY off those anymore because Joe Bruce is either a dick or incompetent with money?
    Mikey has no answer. He thinks Twiztid should suck it up and let Joe Bruce fuck them over due to being a dick or being incompetent. In other words, he’s not on the side of artists. That’s all the proof I need that Mikey’s a fool.

  37. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 08:55 am GMT -5 at 8:55 am

    Not even CPN has a problem with Twiztid wanting masters to actually use them to sell product and make money!
    As for Mono allegedly lying about how Joe Bruce was wacked out on pills causing a fight during a Dark Lotus tour, Joe Bruce shorting Twiztid hundreds of thousands of dollars, being such a dick that Twiztid almost left during the Green Book, Mikey claims Mono is lying all of those times, but Mikey has no proof. He also ignores where Mono even names Blaze as a witness to that fight on the Dark Lotus tour.
    “Twiztid are some lying back stabbing divas and are clearly the cause of the devide,”
    What did they lie about?
    What is the “divide” specifically?
    How did Twiztid cause it?
    Do you have a case or are you just making shit up?
    The only thing I can think of Twiztid fucking up on royally are two things:
    1. Acting all sjw pretending they didn’t know about that supavillans song that kills a gay person in it
    2. Believing the lies of Jayme Nicole that CPN threatened to rape her and running with it on IG.

  38. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 03:02 pm GMT -5 at 3:02 pm

    Because if they aren’t their masters then it’s not their property, that’s why. I said monoxide was lying about the Eminem beef which he obviously was and all the real juggalos know he was lying. The story where J and Shaggy beat up Twiztid is funny though, remember when monoxide said he carried MACE?! Hahahahahaha I bet he keeps it in his purse right next to his rape whistle hahhahahahahah

  39. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 03:05 pm GMT -5 at 3:05 pm

    You just proved my point dipshit, you just stated 2 times when Twiztid were clearly lying out their ass, they do this often. They accuse a man of rape with no proof whatsoever, that is one of the lowest things a man can do, fuck Twiztid for being lying back stabbing assholes, they caused the devide and all the real juggalos can see that. Only cock suckers with twizzler goggles can’t see it and I’m not explaining it to your dumbass.

  40. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 03:12 pm GMT -5 at 3:12 pm

    BTW vinyllover Psy just started a sale and it’s 10 CDs for $20 and it’s all Psychopathic CDs, this is them wanting to clear out their physical CD stocks, that’s how much they’re worth you dip shit, they’re worth chump change and when you run an empire like Psychopathic Records you don’t bother continuously pressing up CDs just to make chump change, twiztid would because everyone knows they don’t sell out a show like ICP does, and Js not doing any favours for a couple of back stabbing lying cock suckers like Twiztid, not anymore.

  41. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 06:57 pm GMT -5 at 6:57 pm

    The fact that you keep harping on irrelevant cd’s in a discussion about vinyl shows you can’t refute my argument. Twiztid made money off the masters by SELLING OUT OF THEIR VINYL! TWIZTID MADE CASH OFF THOSE MASTERS THAT JOE BRUCE WAS NEVER GOING TO USE AGAIN!!! Mikey has confirmed he thinks it’s good manners for ANY AND ALL artists to let their music die a physical copy death even if they can bargain for a master, give it a new life in limited vinyl or cd run AND SELL THEM OUT AND MAKE MONEY! Mikey is on the side of big business holding on to masters even if they aren’t going to use them to make money anymore. Unless ICP was the artist in question, then they would be totally okay with pulling a “twiztid” on Island. Double standards in Mikey’s world. If he says he would never favour ICP pulling a slick move like that if the time came, he’s just lying! We know whose dick he rides.
    Monoxide never lied about the Eminem beef. You can’t even provide a quote. I at least gave a link to a brunch and bake of him where he clearly said “I never said we had nothing to do with it, I said we didn’t WANT anything to do with it.” Joe forced Jamie to do Slim Anus. “Do it or you’re off the label.”
    You’re still not telling me how Twiztid caused the divide and what the divide is. Can you at least provide a date with something prior to the two examples I gave because I will admit that was some fuckery. After that, even I question whether I will buy anything of theirs again. That and I’m sick of the fucking trap beats and emo experimental rock. Magic Spells was terrible! I miss the Mike E Clark beats of the late 90’s early 2000’s. Then again, I’m an old head.

  42. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 08:47 pm GMT -5 at 8:47 pm

    The fact that you think CDs are irrelevant in a conversation about physical music sales shows that you are a complete fucking idiot. I never once showed any sign of a double standard and you’re only resorting to making these things up because your argument is that weak. Black mailing your former friends isn’t a slick move and you’re a twizzler cock sucker for suggesting it is. I’m not providing shit to you because you’re a faggot who rides Twiztids balls and ignores facts, I’m not going thru your list of enquiries. Everyone knows back in the day Twiztid would diss Eminem at the drop of a hat because it’s what was cool amongst juggalos at the time, now that no one cares about that beef Twiztid try to lie about it all, they’re fake and all the real juggalos know they are.

  43. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 08:53 pm GMT -5 at 8:53 pm

    “After that, even I question whether I will buy anything of theirs again” LOL you know your bitch ass would be first in line if these lames dropped a re release of an old album of theirs, that’s what you’ve been crying like a faggot about in these comments, or maybe your words are so empty that you wouldn’t actually buy the physical music, the physical music you just claimed would make Twiztid money, lol your loyalty to them is that weak lol your arguments are weak.

  44. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:06 pm GMT -5 at 9:06 pm

    OF COURSE Joe Bruce wasn’t going to press a limited vinyl run of say 1000 or 1500 of course for ex labelmates. 1000 or 1500 Cd’s would have been cheaper but less people would buy them than say vinyl. I DON’T CONTEST THIS! In fact this is part of my argument, dummy. Observe: Vinyl is a dedicated but growing market! DO YOU GET THAT??? Twiztid’s intent to capitalize in this GUARANTEED MONEY RETURN FOR LIMITED VINYL means that the masters would’ve made more money in THEIR HANDS and thus it truly suited them better. So ONCE AGAIN, you have NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT to say Twiztid didn’t deserve them other than Joe Bruce crying “but muh masters that I ain’t doin’ shit with anyway” LOL. That’s Joe being a fuckwad and keeping Twiztid from making money. Depriving them of money? Hmmmm. Just like in the old days when Paul said on livestream that Twiztid was getting fucked out of six figures. THE MASTERS ISSUE WAS KARMA AND JOE FUCKING DESERVED IT! Calling it blackmail is WRONG for reasons ALREADY EXPLAINED. Twiztid could have either taken a pathetic sum of money like bitches and got not what they were worth, demanded more to get their worth THUS HURTING JOE BRUCE AND PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS MORE SINCE EVERY GATHERING PUTS THEM IN THE HOLE, or they could…wait for it…BREAK EVEN, and say, Pay us nothing, give us the master you will never do anything with again so that we can get paid AND YOU SAVE MONEY!” It’s called a deal and you’re suck a dick riding idiot that you can’t understand economics and saving Joe Bruce money!

  45. King Lucem Ferre

    King Lucem Ferre

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:07 pm GMT -5 at 9:07 pm

    Ooohh, Mikey vs. Vinyl.

    Two stubborn folk that will go to ridiculous lengths and make some of the most obnoxious burning hoop jumping reaches to defend themselves.

    I’m not going to read it, but I’m glad this exists. I’m glad you two have found each other like some poetic Yin & Yang. A never ending duality. Batman & Joker. (Mikey is Joker) You two love this shit. You two were made for each other.

  46. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:11 pm GMT -5 at 9:11 pm

    It’s only blackmail if Joe was already using those masters to make money somehow for the company. HE WASN’T. SO WHERE IS THE LOSS, MIKEY? THERE WAS NO LOSS. DIDN’T EXIST. SO YOU HAVE NO POINT AND NO BUSINESS CALLING IT BLACKMAIL. LOL!

    As for the Eminem beef, If Joe Bruce said to Jamie, “do Slim Anus or you guys are gone” WTF makes you think every other time after that, Twiztid dissed Eminem of their own free will? LOL. I mean I’m sure they made up their own words and made up the times when they dissed him afterwards like on Blaze’s song shittalkaz, or at a gathering when Twizitd was in batman and robin gear and they made a comment about mainstream copying underground (Eminem in robin costume “without me”). And guess what? THAT WAS TECHNICALLY TOWING THE COMPANY LINE! Once you start under the TONE Joe Bruce sets, you can’t go back! FIND SOMETHING TO DISS EMINEM ON NOW AND AGAIN, OR ELSE THEY’RE OFF THE LABEL! DUH! You’re an idiot if you can’t see that reality. Lyte got chucked off the label for a year because he tried to work with Tech9 but Twiztid was on the same track. “Do what I say, or you’re off the label.” It’s so obvious and you don’t see it.
    As for an old re-release, I’ve already got Mostasteless vinyl, Green book vinyl, WICKED vinyl. This was BEFORE they fucked over CPN. I’ll be getting Blaze’s vinyl. Does that make me a hoe? LOL.

  47. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:24 pm GMT -5 at 9:24 pm

    By the way KLF, mikey responded to me first. Just so you know.

  48. King Lucem Ferre

    King Lucem Ferre

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:49 pm GMT -5 at 9:49 pm

    Good to know, Batman. Now fight for the soul of Gotham.

  49. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 09:57 pm GMT -5 at 9:57 pm

    “I’m not wearin’ hockey pads!”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc
    2:45

  50. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 9th, 2020 11:59 pm GMT -5 at 11:59 pm

    Joe Bruce deserved it? LOL Joe Bruce is the one that allowed it to happen you fuckwit. Anything Monoxide says in his lame live streams means nothing, the guys been caught in that many lies it’s hilarious, his word is dog shit. And nope it’s still black mail, no matter how you paint it, those masters are his property so yes Twiztid black mailed ICP. I find it laughable that you actually think J had some kind of thought out agreement that they HAD to diss Eminem, you have to be a child to even think that, you’re a fucking idiot Vinyllover. Those instances you mentioned are blatantly Twiztid acting on their own free will and they were dissing eminem bevause it was cool at the time, it’s as simple as that, not this bullshit conspiracy theory you’ve made up like a child. ICP have a staunch “No Mne policy” and I don’t blame them after all the times twiztid stabbed them in the back, ICP are done helping the careers of 2 ungrateful bitches like Twiztid, that means if you’re on Psychopathic Records they don’t deal with Mne, at ALL. And I’m glad they cut Twiztid off like that, cock suckers deserved it.

  51. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 12:05 am GMT -5 at 12:05 am

    Lucem Ferre claims he does’t read it yet he knows about the content of what we’re saying…..hmmmmmm it’s almost as if he read every word. If me and this douche are Joker and Batman then Lucem Ferre is the nerd buying every comic and reading it all (and then pretends he didn’t read it afterwards). Don’t be lying now Lucem Ferre, you know what happens when you lie …….YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKIN’ DESERVE!!! get it?

  52. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 12:25 am GMT -5 at 12:25 am

    “Joe Bruce deserved it? LOL Joe Bruce is the one that allowed it to happen you fuckwit.”
    Mikey fakes amnesia again. He knows damn well that not only HE, but Joe Bruce said in the faygoluvers 2017 interivew with Scottie D that labels should NEVER give away their masters. In other words, Joe didn’t really want to do that for Twiztid. Now Mikey is trying to re-write history and make it seem like Joe was all for it. If now being caught in this deception, Mikey claims he’s not trying to do that, and he admits all along that labels should try to hang on to their masters, then my economic arguments for the transfer of the masters to Twiztid in my 9:06 pm post still holds. Mikey never directly addressed those. He can’t because they’re logically solid. Cries of “blackmail” are also refuted not only by my 9:06 pm post, but also the first paragraph of my 9:11pm post. Joe wasn’t using them. SO TWIZTID DIDN’T TAKE ANY FOOD OFF OF JOE’S PLATE. PRETENDING THEY DID IS AN EXERCISE IN DISHONESTY.
    “I find it laughable that you actually think J had some kind of thought out agreement that they HAD to diss Eminem”
    Mikey refuses to accept the reality that Joe Bruce said to Jamie about Slim Anus “do this diss or your off the label.” That’s okay. Mikey isn’t big on reality anyway. We see that with the way he dodges my economic arguments in the 9:06pm post and the subsequent 9:11pm post.

  53. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 12:26 am GMT -5 at 12:26 am

    “Those instances you mentioned are blatantly Twiztid acting on their own free will and they were dissing eminem bevause it was cool at the time, it’s as simple as that, not this bullshit conspiracy theory you’ve made up”
    It is possible that Eminem was stealing from the underground and some Twiztid disses to Eminem had basis in reality. But who’s to truly say Twiztid would have freely done the batman-robin diss to Eminem if the FORCED Slim Anus diss had never happened?
    “all the times twiztid stabbed them in the back”
    1. And how did they do that again?
    2. Mikey still won’t accept how ICP fucked Twiztid over FIRST! In fact SO BAD, that they wanted to leave after the Green Book. If anyone created a divide, it was Joe Bruce with how he fucked Twiztid around for years. Not only with physical assault, but shorting them 6 figures of money! IN WHAT WORLD DOES MIKEY THINK THAT’S OKAY TO DO TO AN ARTIST!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYJ6JPMqpI#t=17m40s
    Mikey has decided with no evidence at all that Paul is always lying and especially every word in this video. With no basis whatsoever. That’s his problem. Not mine. He hates facts that show Joe Bruce as a dick. He will not accept it. Nobody dares to criticize his messiah.
    Mikey’s can’t comprehend that hating Twiztid for the CPN thing and the SJW supa villans song thing DOESN’T automatically prove that Paul or Jamie are lying about what happened to them at the hands of Joe Bruce waaaayyyy before.

  54. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 02:21 am GMT -5 at 2:21 am

    No you fucking brain dead retard it wasn’t about not wanting to give them to TWIZTID, it wouldn’t matter who the artist is it would be the same, as a record label you never give away your masters, that’s how the music industry is you brain dead dipshit, why are you so dumb? I never said Joe was all for it I said he allowed it, which he did, only one that’s rewriting shit is you, I say something that any idiot can understand and you twist it and rewrite it into something else. Joe allowed it to happen is what I said, and that’s just true. You’ve truly started rambling like a crack head now. Here’s something for you to think about ya little faggot, if Joe was such a big bad bully tryna force Twiztid to do things (that you’ve imagined in your head) then all Twiztid had to do….was simply leave hahaha it’s that simple, if they didnt want to say all those disses they could just leave, but they didn’t, so suck a dick, that’s them deciding to do it, and Joe wasn’t forcing them anyway it was just them jumping on the fuck Eminem bandwagon cos it was cool at the time. I’m all about reality I know exactly what I’m talking about, you just can’t see thru your thick twizzler goggles. Monoxide lies, he’s a master bullshit artist, he’s been caught in lie after lie, then fuckwits like you refer to his word as if it’s anything solid to rely on, Monoxide accuses people of rape without any evidence whatsoever, he’s a dickhead and his word is dog shit.

  55. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 08:31 am GMT -5 at 8:31 am

    “No you fucking brain dead retard it wasn’t about not wanting to give them to TWIZTID”
    That’s not what Joe said. He said in the Scottie D interivew “as a label, you never give away your masters. Period.” So now you’re trying to re-write history again. You’re acting like Joe didn’t want to give masters to two dudes who allegedly backstabbed him somehow after he was good to them all those years. And why? Because mono is a liar, even regarding those things he said on that youtube link. And you base this on nothing. You claim it’s all in MY head. LOL. You say, “why didn’t Twiztid leave?” THEY DID. THEY STAYED AS LONG AS THEY COULD UNTIL THEY COULDN’T TAKE HIS CRAP ANYMORE. IT’S ALL HERE.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYJ6JPMqpI#t=17m40s
    You ignore these facts based on NO EVIDENCE that Mono is lying about it, and then you hypocritically demand more evidence when it’s all in front of you. ONCE AGAIN: hating Twiztid for the CPN thing and the SJW supa villans song thing DOESN’T automatically prove that Paul or Jamie are lying about what happened to them at the hands of Joe Bruce waaaayyyy before. Saying these two fuckups from Twiztid automatically means they are lying about how Joe mistreated them is a non sequitor logical fallacy. So try again, genius.

  56. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 09:31 am GMT -5 at 9:31 am

    Oops. I misread. MIkey DID say it wasn’t about Twiztid. I apologize. Looks like Mikey finally got a point on the scoreboard compared to my four points. He can take that to the bank while just repeating like a mantra “never give away your masters under any circumstances.” He is projecting his current hate of Twiztid for things they recently did back into the distant past when they bargained their masters out of ICP all the while ignoring my posts at 9:06 and 9:11. He takes the side of big record labels fucking over artists preventing them from getting money out of something even when the label is not. He’s actually in favour of artists going without money! Well projecting his current hate back into the past to try to justify twiztid not getting masters is illogical. Mikey can’t stop committing logical fallacies and dodging my perfect economic arguments in 9:06 post and 9:11 post PROVING that Twiztid getting masters for gathering performance BENEFITED BOTH PARTIES FINANCIALLY! Notice how he doesn’t have the guts to say directly, “vinyllover, you’re wrong in your 9:06 post and here is why…a,b,c.” He won’t. Because he knows I’m right. That’s why he just keeps siding with tyrant labels and repeating “but muh masters.” LOL.

  57. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 10:12 am GMT -5 at 10:12 am

    Does it really matter where the music comes from as long as it is enjoyed by many. Putting out new music is what the fans want and occasionally a limited run of throwback cds or some fresh vinyl. That’s great but I’ll still collect the ones i want and get the rest on Amazon. Mmfwcl

  58. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 03:37 pm GMT -5 at 3:37 pm

    Thank Christ you recognised your obviously retarded mistake when you completely misinterpreted what I said and twisted it into something else (You’ve been doing that the whole time because your brain is retarded). The fact that Paul and Jamie have been caught in that many lies shows that their word is dog shit, so when Pual gets stoned and starts having his little fibbing taddle tale sessions I could give a fuck less because the man’s been proven to be a liar over and over again, his word is dog shit and I don’t believe anything Monoxide has to say, no one should ever believe the word of 2 men who wrongfully accused a man of rape with absolutely NO evidence, one of the lowest things you can do as a man, once Twiztid crossed that line, their word became absolute dog shit, only an idiot would believe anything that Monoxide or Jamie have to say.

  59. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 03:43 pm GMT -5 at 3:43 pm

    And you missed the point again you dip shit, the point about the masters is it doesn’t matter if it’s Twiztid or ANY other former artist, as a label you don’t give away your masters, has that gotten thru your ever so thick skull? Ive said you were wrong in every post you’ve written ya dip shit, and you are wrong, and it’s hilarious. Would you look at this tool copying and pasting all my comments and writing down all the times he posted? LOL dude you write like a douchebag.

  60. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 06:50 pm GMT -5 at 6:50 pm

    Mikey thinks my apology for ONE error means he doesn’t have to account for his trifecta of THREE errors I exposed in my 9:06 post:
    Vinyl is a dedicated but growing market! DO YOU GET THAT??? Twiztid’s intent to capitalize in this GUARANTEED MONEY RETURN FOR LIMITED VINYL means that the masters would’ve made more money in THEIR HANDS and thus it truly suited them better. So ONCE AGAIN, you have NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT to say Twiztid didn’t deserve them other than Joe Bruce crying “but muh masters that I ain’t doin’ shit with anyway” LOL. That’s Joe being a fuckwad and keeping Twiztid from making money.
    […]
    Twiztid could have either taken a pathetic sum of money like bitches and got not what they were worth, demanded more to get their worth THUS HURTING JOE BRUCE AND PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS MORE SINCE EVERY GATHERING PUTS THEM IN THE HOLE, or they could…wait for it…BREAK EVEN, and say, Pay us nothing, give us the master you will never do anything with again so that we can get paid AND YOU SAVE MONEY!” It’s called a deal and you’re suck a dick riding idiot that you can’t understand economics and saving Joe Bruce money!
    And from the 9:11 post:
    It’s only blackmail if Joe was already using those masters to make money somehow for the company. HE WASN’T. SO WHERE IS THE LOSS, MIKEY? THERE WAS NO LOSS. DIDN’T EXIST. SO YOU HAVE NO POINT AND NO BUSINESS CALLING IT BLACKMAIL. LOL!

  61. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 06:58 pm GMT -5 at 6:58 pm

    He just keeps saying “Twiztid lies. Twiztid lies.” He is free if he wants to think that Joe Bruce and Joey Utsler didn’t physically attack Jamie Madrox, or that they didn’t fuck Twiztid out of 6 figures, but that’s him wanting to live in his own world of delusion. Twiztid attacking CPN and going SJW on the supavillans isn’t proof that Mono lied about those two things in that video. Acting like it is, is in fact fallacious. Maybe if Mikey wasn’t such a fool, he would remember that Joe Bruce put out a phone hotline announcement around the time of Green Book telling Juggalos to calm down and relax, Twiztid was not leaving. Hmmmmm. Why would there be speculation about that in the early 2000’s, unless Mono was telling the truth about it in his 2019 live video from his car? LOL. Mikey of course doesn’t want to think about THAT now does he! Let’s consult wikipedia:
    “In 2003 Twiztid left Psychopathic Records and created Majik Recordz. After the label went under Twiztid returned to Psychopathic Records seamlessly, almost like they never left. Upon returning they recorded “The Green Book”.”
    So when Mono says in the video “we left around Green Book” he’s telling the truth. THEREFORE MIKEY IS WRONG WHEN HE SAYS EVERY WORD MONO SAYS IN THAT VIDEO IS A LIE!
    Mikey this must be embarrassing for you. To have someone who misread one of your sentences, to be able to do a little detective work that proves you wrong!

  62. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 07:29 pm GMT -5 at 7:29 pm

    Vinyllover. For once, i agree with mikey. Do all of us a favor and shut the fuck up. I agree that there is a collectors market for vinyl but still you make yourself sound like a preacher in the most fucked up church. Get off your soap box. Mmfwcl

  63. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 07:49 pm GMT -5 at 7:49 pm

    Haha Much motherfucking WICKED CLOWN love to you Njones!! There’s just no talking sense to a fool like Vinyllover. Seriously tho mad love for dat.

  64. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 07:54 pm GMT -5 at 7:54 pm

    Here’s how the arguments gone…

    Mikey: (states a fact) as a record label you never give away your masters.
    Vinyllover: but I like vinyl!!
    Mikey: (states the same fact)
    Vinyllover: but Monoxide said!!
    Mikey: (states a fact) Monoxide is a proven liar.
    Vinyllover: (Agrees that Monoxide has been caught lying multiple times but then uses something Monoxide said as an argument.)
    Mikey: (states the same fact) Monoxide is a proven liar.
    Vinyllover: but Monoxide said!! and also I like vinyl!!
    Mikey: (states the same fact) Monoxide is a proven liar and as a record label you never give away your masters.
    Vinyllover: BUT MONOXIDE SAID!!!!!

    This is a transcript I had a professional write up hahaha

  65. the_patriot_smack

    the_proud_smack

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 11:10 pm GMT -5 at 11:10 pm

    wow these sideshow forum posts can get real heated
    60+ comments??
    keep up girls

  66. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2020 11:37 pm GMT -5 at 11:37 pm

    Record companies keep masters because they can make money off it and they paid to get it done in their studio = apple.
    Joe Bruce wasn’t using masters to make money anyway so they were of no use to him = orange.
    Mikey thinks an apple and an orange is the same. My points from 9:06 and 9:11 clearly refute his “but muh masters” argument which ignores context and different scenarios.
    The fact that Mikey thinks a record label tyrant should be able to say the following to an artist,
    “I know the label is dying and running out of money and won’t use this master to get any kind of profit and that you could, but I’m not going to sell it to you for a reasonable price anyway. I’m going to prevent you from making money just because I can.”
    demonstrates what an idiot he is. Mikey is against artists making money. That’s an indictment against himself. I don’t need to say anything more. He has exposed himself.
    Mikey still can’t admit that Mono told the truth about how they left in the Green Book era. So that’s ANOTHER failure on his part.
    Oh well. He has been consistently failing post after post in this topic.

  67. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 12:44 am GMT -5 at 12:44 am

    In both the Apple and the Orange instances, the record label still owns the master, it is their property to do with as they wish, you can bitch about how much you like vinyl but the fact still remains, as a record label you never give up your masters. Go look at Stranges merch site. They’re still selling albums from former artists, ya know why? Because they kept their masters, simple as that, ya dumb fuck twizzler.

  68. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 12:55 am GMT -5 at 12:55 am

    Another juggalo just stepped forward to tell you you’re pretty much wrong and you sound like a whiney bitch so its clear to everyone else you’ve been wrong on pretty much everything and it’s hilariois watching you struggle. Now listen close fuckwit, I never once said that EVERYTHING Monoxide says is a lie, are you retarded? What I said is that he’s lied that many times I don’t trust what he says, he’s clearly become very good at lying straight to a camera and believing his own bullshit, Jamie too. So after 2 men go on a 20 minute rant accusing a man of rape with no evidence and blatantly lying about the Eminem beef, after they did that? Their word became dog shit and shouldn’t be trusted.
    The hilariois thing is that you’ve agreed with me that they’ve lied on multiple occasions and you STILL trust their word LOL like you serious? are all twizzlers this dumb? Probably not, I reckon vinyllover takes the cake for dumbest twizzler.

  69. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 01:10 am GMT -5 at 1:10 am

    “as a record label you never give up your masters.”
    The question is WHY. And as to the WHY, I explained why that makes sense in scenario apple. I showed why it doesn’t make sense in scenario orange. You can’t just make blanket statements and think it applies to
    “you’ve been wrong on pretty much everything”
    “after 2 men go on a 20 minute rant accusing a man of rape with no evidence and blatantly lying about the Eminem beef, after they did that? Their word became dog shit”
    Mikey refuses to acknowledge Mono told the truth about Twiztid leaving Psychopathic records around the Green Book era as confirmed not only by the wikipedia entry but also by a phone hotline message Joe Bruce once left telling Juggalos to “relax” and “calm down” when they were worried Twiztid would be gone for good. Don’t worry. When I locate that on drunkninjamast 420 on youtube’s channel, I’ll put it up to further embarrass you. And Mikey also lies that Mono and Madrox were not jumped by Joe Bruce once during a Dark Lotus tour.
    “you’ve agreed with me that they’ve lied on multiple occasions and you STILL trust their word”
    Depends on the context, what they’re saying and how they can back it up. It’s not all truth or all lies. It’s a bit of both. The fact that I can admit when I’m wrong, but you can’t, speaks volumes.
    We all know you were mad at Twiztid long before the CPN thing. You were mad because they didn’t march. Well I already tore that shit up across this forum so I don’t need to go it again. So find something else to hate them for, genius.

  70. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 01:16 am GMT -5 at 1:16 am

    “Go look at Stranges merch site. They’re still selling albums from former artists, ya know why? Because they kept their masters, simple as that, ya dumb fuck twizzler.”
    I was going to tell you to stop comparing apples (using masters to make more albums to sell for profit) to oranges (not using masters to make more albums to sell, hence the master is just a paper weight). But I can’t tell if you’re telling me that Strange is just selling back stock they haven’t gotten rid of yet, or that they used the master to do another run of albums and sell THOSE new ones. Because if they’re just selling old stock and not a new print run of albums from masters, then you’re bringing in more irrelevant stupid shit. NOBODY CARES ABOUT OLD STOCK. What I’M TALKING ABOUT is using masters to make NEW COPIES to make money (Twiztid’s masters deal) versus NOT USING MASTERS TO EVER MAKE NEW COPIES EVER AGAIN (Joe Bruce letting them collect dust)!
    If you could just stick to the issue, that would be great. But you can’t. Because “muh masters!” LOL.

  71. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 02:09 am GMT -5 at 2:09 am

    It’s not “muh masters”, it’s when a record label owns masters they never give them up, Psychopathic funded those releases, that’s their property to do with as they want, just like every other record label, it’s a very simple concept and you sound like a fuckwit everytime you say “muh masters”.

  72. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 05:54 am GMT -5 at 5:54 am

    And another thing you dumb cunt, you can’t say:
    “Mikey refuses to acknowledge Mono told the truth about Twiztid leaving Psychopathic records around the Green Book era as confirmed not only by the wikipedia entry”
    Right after I had JUST said:
    “Now listen close fuckwit, I never once said that EVERYTHING Monoxide says is a lie, are you retarded? What I said is that he’s lied that many times I don’t trust what he says, he’s clearly become very good at lying straight to a camera and believing his own bullshit, Jamie too.”
    And secondly why do you keep bringing up the fact that Twiztid left Psy back around the Green Book era as if it proves something? Lol, this is common knowledge you fuckwit, every juggalo already knows that, it doesn’t prove anything and the fact you think it somehow absolves Monoxide of all his lies shows that you’re a fucking idiot, his word can’t be trusted, accusing folk of rape, fuck outta here.

  73. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 05:58 am GMT -5 at 5:58 am

    Also Vinyllover you do realise how much of a massive douchebag you sound like citing WIKIPEDIA as a source to back you up, like you are plain retarded? straight up, you totally discredited yourself by thinking Wiki-fucking-pedia can confirm anything, hahaha you’re a joke.

  74. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 08:57 am GMT -5 at 8:57 am

    “It’s not “muh masters”, it’s when a record label owns masters they never give them up, Psychopathic funded those releases, that’s their property to do with as they want, just like every other record label, it’s a very simple concept and you sound like a fuckwit everytime you say “muh masters”.”
    Including not using them to make new product and make new money and sitting on them to keep money out of Twiztid’s pocket just to be a fucking dick. As already explained, there is no reason for such behaviour from Joe Bruce.
    ““Now listen close fuckwit, I never once said that EVERYTHING Monoxide says is a lie, are you retarded? ”
    Then stop acting like he told all lies in his video. If you admit he didn’t tell all lies in that video, then once again, AS I SAID, you have no reason to disregard everything he said in that video just because of the CPN thing.
    “you do realise how much of a massive douchebag you sound like citing WIKIPEDIA as a source to back you up, like you are plain retarded? ”
    How can THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE of wikipedia be wrong when you just said that YOU ADMITTED that EVERY JUGGALO knows Twiztid left around Green Book era?
    Why do you keep embarrassing yourself like this? LOL.

  75. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 09:43 am GMT -5 at 9:43 am

    “No reason for such behaviour from Joe Bruce?” You’re not fucking serious are you? Twiztid have done plenty of back stabbing and shit talking to ICP, fuck outta here with that nonsense you retard. Either way the masters are Psychopathics property, they can do with them as they please.
    When I say Monoxide lies I’m not just talking about 1 video you stupid fuck, he does it all the time and has been for years, fuck outta here with your 1 video, Go do some more research on Wikipedia you simple minded fuck head. What I’m saying is if you think Wikipedia is a reliable source to cite to back you up then you’re a brain dead moron.
    This vinyllover douchebag makes points and cites Wikipedia and a pathological liar to back him up LOL only one embarrassing themself is you lol WIKIPEDIA?! you simple minded douchebag

  76. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 10:21 am GMT -5 at 10:21 am

    ““No reason for such behaviour from Joe Bruce?” You’re not fucking serious are you? Twiztid have done plenty of back stabbing and shit talking to ICP, fuck outta here with that nonsense you retard. ”
    Twiztid’s last gathering was 2016. Before that, they did 2015, 2014 and 2013, the year they left. Since Joe Bruce said no more masters, that is why they stopped in 2017. So tell me what Twiztid was doing SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN 2013 AND 2016 that made them such assholes that Joe Bruce had the right to sit on the masters and do nothing with them to keep money out of Twiztid’s pocket?

  77. MisterMime

    MisterMime

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 03:17 pm GMT -5 at 3:17 pm

    Oi! The og Gang Rags was cool, I think that Gang Rags: Reborn sounded better though. Heavier bass, better quality production, and authentic Blaze styled wicked lyrics. Some of MNE’s producers over produce the tracks they work on, making alot of it sound the same if newer cadence or lyrical structure arent there. Only exception is AMB. Their newer shit is hands down fire. Best artists on that label and know what they are doing. PSY’s MVP is Ouija, MNE has AMB. Both making it feel amazing to be a Juggalo on top of all the other freshness.

  78. King Lucem Ferre

    King Lucem Ferre

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 03:36 pm GMT -5 at 3:36 pm

    Mikey I skimmed through it, not gonna lie.

  79. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 05:26 pm GMT -5 at 5:26 pm

    Haha there you are Lucem Ferre! I’m gonna have to ask that you re-read the entire thing and have a 300 word essay written about it by next Wednesday.

  80. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 05:34 pm GMT -5 at 5:34 pm

    Whether J does something with them or not is his decision, It’s his record label, his masters, his property, he can do as he pleases with them.
    Haha and no Vinyllover you dumb douche Twiztid didn’t stop coming to the Gathering because they couldnt get anymore masters they stopped coming to the Gathering because ICP banned them, ICP have vowed they’ll never work with twiztid again and good riddance, fuck twiztid. ICP don’t want any fake ungrateful dipshits like Twiztid at the Gathering and I don’t blame them.

  81. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 08:30 pm GMT -5 at 8:30 pm

    Mikey is in favour of J not giving Twiztid masters that they could make money off of even though J would never do it again, DESPITE my economic arguments in my 9:06 post showing how J SAVED money for paying an artist for the Gathering (they go in the hole putting that on every year and mikey still won’t admit this FACT). With Twiztid getting a master that later turned a profit and J SAVIGN MONEY by not dipping into the company account to pay Twiztid, both sides winning is not good enough for Mikey. LOL. Mikey is in favour of J being a dick for no reason. It’s okay to fuck over Twiztid because 1+1=2 or something in Mikey’s world.
    Mikey also won’t say why Twiztid was banned from the Gathering. He is loathe to mention what J said to Scottie in the faygoluvers interview. J said that he said to them “No more masters. What’s your price?” They refused to name a price! Now if Mikey has proof Twiztid was banned isntead of them walking away, let him produce it!
    AND MIKEY STILL WON’T PROVIDE PROOF OF WHAT TWIZTID WAS DOING IN 2013-2016 TO WARRANT THEM NOT GETTING MASTERS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY WERE SHIT TALKING OR BACK STABBING ICP. NO PROOF FROM MIKEY. JUST WILD CLAIMS!

  82. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 09:00 pm GMT -5 at 9:00 pm

    I’m in favour of people doing what they like with their own property. I already know Psy loses money every year on the Gathering you cock sucker, I don’t have to acknowlege every time you say some obvious shit that’s public knowledge, fuck you’re an idiot. All Twiztid did was black mail masters out of Psy, it’s as simple as that, it was obvious black mail that any idiot can understand, but you twist into Twiztid somehow doing a favour for Psychopathic records? Just wow, the mental gymnastics it must take for you to lick Twiztids ball bag that much is amazing, it was black mail, simple as that. ICP said in that interview in regards to Twiztid being at the Gathering “we don’t want them there, because we don’t want that kinda energy” it’s ICPs event so clearly they banned Twiztid from performing at the Gathering, any idiot can see that. Twiztid were more than happy to perform at Juggalo Weekend because they were gonna be getting payed to perform that, (getting payed in money too ya fuckwit) it only didn’t happen because ICP uninvited Twiztid to that event aswell, even Twiztid have stated publicly they were going to perform at Juggalo Weekend but were uninvited, exactly the same as the Gathering, ICP finally told twiztid to fuck off after years of spewing hate and back stabbing, that’s the reality of it, dumb fuck twizzlers like you can make sorry attempts at re-writing it into something else but real juggalos just laugh at you vinyllover, because you’re a joke who references Wikipedia during an argument lol.

  83. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 09:11 pm GMT -5 at 9:11 pm

    “I’m in favour of people doing what they like with their own property.”
    Including NOTHING when someone else could use it to make money?
    “I already know Psy loses money every year on the Gathering you cock sucker”
    Well then that means you have to logically accept my 9:06pm post which proves there was no extortion but rather A VERY GOOD DEAL TO IN FACT SAVE JOE MONEY:
    “Vinyl is a dedicated but growing market! DO YOU GET THAT??? Twiztid’s intent to capitalize in this GUARANTEED MONEY RETURN FOR LIMITED VINYL means that the masters would’ve made more money in THEIR HANDS and thus it truly suited them better. So ONCE AGAIN, you have NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT to say Twiztid didn’t deserve them other than Joe Bruce crying “but muh masters that I ain’t doin’ shit with anyway” LOL. That’s Joe being a fuckwad and keeping Twiztid from making money.
    […]
    Twiztid could have either taken a pathetic sum of money like bitches and got not what they were worth, demanded more to get their worth THUS HURTING JOE BRUCE AND PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS MORE SINCE EVERY GATHERING PUTS THEM IN THE HOLE, or they could…wait for it…BREAK EVEN, and say, Pay us nothing, give us the master you will never do anything with again so that we can get paid AND YOU SAVE MONEY!” It’s called a deal and you’re suck a dick riding idiot that you can’t understand economics and saving Joe Bruce money!”

  84. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 09:16 pm GMT -5 at 9:16 pm

    So no extortion and no blackmail. But a nice deal with sweet economic benefits. Moving on…
    “ICP said in that interview in regards to Twiztid being at the Gathering “we don’t want them there, because we don’t want that kinda energy” it’s ICPs event so clearly they banned Twiztid from performing at the Gathering, any idiot can see that.”
    The “energy” that they didn’t like was them getting back their masters. Twiztid wouldn’t name their price anymore but kept demanding masters and THAT is when Joe pulled the plug. He didn’t ban them, he just stopped paying them what they wanted. In other words, if Twiztid decided to take cash, Joe would have welcomed them back. Way to ignore the forest for the trees.
    1+1=2. Learn to add.
    Furthemore, what you’re leaving out is the detail that AFTER they signed Young Wicked, THAT is what prevented a reconciliation. How do I know it was THIS and not THE MASTERS? OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JOE BRUCE HIMSELF. Joe even said if Twiztid got rid of Young Wicked, ICP would be willing to talk to Twiztid again. What does that mean? Simple. That even after the masters debacle, THAT WOULDN’T MATTER if they JUST GOT RID OF YOUNG WICKED. Joe’s own words. Get rid of him and we can talk again.
    1+1=2. Learn to add.

  85. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 09:22 pm GMT -5 at 9:22 pm

    Mikey can’t show what Twiztid did to shit talk or backstab ICP during the 2013-2016 years when they were getting masters for the Gathering, but shouldn’t have been given masters because of alleged shit talk or backstabbing…I think I can help. Joe Bruce said that Twiztid treated AMB like shit sometimes, wouldn’t let them in the studio, and even the little times when Twiztid was dissing ICP secretly or whatever, Young Wicked was dissing them on his album in the song “Slaughter.”
    Does Mikey have any specific information on what twiztid was doing to Joe and Joey that allegedly caused Young Wicked to diss Twiztid? I’m not saying Joe is lying, but I would like to know what he is talking about so I can see whether or not he’s just blowing that out of proportion. I mean, he and other 17%rs like CPN blew the whole “gang list” out of proportion and didn’t know how to read it properly. Unfortunately, neither did a lot of cops.

  86. the_patriot_smack

    the_proud_smack

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 11th, 2020 11:59 pm GMT -5 at 11:59 pm

    so this is what happens when two grown ass men grew up eating mostly soy.

  87. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 12:10 am GMT -5 at 12:10 am

    That’s right nothing, if someone wants to do nothing with their own property that’s entirely within their right, your only retarded argument is that it would help Twiztid, Joe Bruce isn’t spending anymore time and effort helping Twiztids career, he’s done enough of that. You don’t pay artists to perform at events with masters, as a record label you never give up your masters, Twiztid only got them thru black mail. From the way you talk about economics I would actually assume you’re like 14, because the way you pretend you know what you’re talking about makes you sound about 14, but you’ve already stated you’re old so you’re not young you’re just dumb, which is worse lol. Listen to the way this twizzler douchebag turns a situation that is very obviously black mail and calls it “sweet economic benefits”…..hahahahahhaha sweet economic benefits?? You SURE you ain’t some dumb 14 year old kid? I mean that and you’re using Wikipedia like it’s some reputable source LOL so you’re either 14 or a fully grown retard.
    ICP did ban them, obviously, they banned them from all Psychopathic events and have vowed to never to work with them again.

  88. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 12:26 am GMT -5 at 12:26 am

    “You don’t pay artists to perform at events with masters”
    Why was it wrong in that particular case?
    “as a record label you never give up your masters”
    why was it wrong in that particular case?
    “a situation that is very obviously black mail and calls it “sweet economic benefits”
    Joe saved cash money by giving up something he’d never make money off again and Twiztid later made money off it. So yes, economic benefit for both parties. You’re just lying when you say it wasn’t a benefit for Joe.

  89. the_patriot_smack

    the_proud_smack

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 12:27 am GMT -5 at 12:27 am

    I like Mikey

    this guy should post on the real forum

    Mikey you would cause so much chaos, it would be entertaining as fuck

    come talk politics with the big boys and see where you land

    nobody likes vinyl there either we all pretty much think he is that childs play ninja dude or the other loser he beefs with.

  90. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 12:33 am GMT -5 at 12:33 am

    “ICP did ban them, obviously, they banned them from all Psychopathic events and have vowed to never to work with them again.”
    You can’t refute what I just said at 9:16 when I pointed out the ban came about not because of the masters but because of their relationship with Young Wicked. Quit acting like masters had anything to do with it:
    The “energy” that they didn’t like was them getting back their masters. Twiztid wouldn’t name their price anymore but kept demanding masters and THAT is when Joe pulled the plug. He didn’t ban them, he just stopped paying them what they wanted. In other words, if Twiztid decided to take cash, Joe would have welcomed them back. Way to ignore the forest for the trees.
    Furthemore, what you’re leaving out is the detail that AFTER they signed Young Wicked, THAT is what prevented a reconciliation. How do I know it was THIS and not THE MASTERS? OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JOE BRUCE HIMSELF. Joe even said if Twiztid got rid of Young Wicked, ICP would be willing to talk to Twiztid again. What does that mean? Simple. That even after the masters debacle, THAT WOULDN’T MATTER if they JUST GOT RID OF YOUNG WICKED. Joe’s own words. Get rid of him and we can talk again.
    1+1=2. Learn to add.

  91. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 12:46 am GMT -5 at 12:46 am

    vinyllover at 8:52 am
    Why should Twiztid let their physical copies die on Psychopathic when they can give it new life on MNE?
    Why should Twiztid be forced to suck it up and NOT MAKE MONEY off those anymore because Joe Bruce is either a dick or incompetent with money?
    Mikey at at 3:02 pm
    Because if they aren’t their masters then it’s not their property
    THAT’S NOT ACTUALLY AN ANSWER! So Mikey has failed once.

    Mikey has also claimed blackmail on Twiztid’s part. He can’t refute my 9:06 post showing the economic benefits of Twiztid getting a master because Twiztid later makes money and Joe SAVES having to pay Twiztid with something he’d never use again anyway. Mikey in fact knows deep down this economic argument of mine is solid. That’s why instead of saying, “Damn vinyl lover, 1+1=2. You are correct.” He reverts back to, “Because they’re Joe’s masters and that’s it” like a child. Hmmmm. Kind of how like Joe Bruce is acting.

    Well that’s not an argument and it’s not proof of blackmail either when the economics are examined. Joe was never gonna use those masters to make product to sell ever again so HE INCURRED NO LOSS!!! TWIZTID SAVED JOE’S POCKETBOOK BY NOT DEMANDING CASH PAYMENT FOR THE GATHERING!
    I also doubt Mikey is going to tell me what Twiztid did between 2013-2016 that apparently warranted a Young Wicked diss and rendered Twiztid unworthy of any masters. LOL.

  92. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 08:25 pm GMT -5 at 8:25 pm

    That’s not acting like a child that’s just acknowledging a fact, and facts dont care about your emotions vinyllover, and the FACT is in the music industry as a record label you don’t give up your masters. It doesn’t matter what Twiztid “could have” “would have” done with them because when a label owns a master it is their property to do with as they please. I don’t have to refute your fucking retarded arguments because you’ve made up some weird situation in your head, I don’t have to refute something that doesn’t exist. You got twizzler goggles on, they allow you to see a situation like blackmail and turn it into “Twiztid is actually doing Joe a favour” LOL you’re a joke vinyllover, get back to reading your Wikipedia pages lol.
    And all the real juggalos could pick up on all the disrespect Twiztid was doing to ICP,  if you weren’t paying attention I’m not explaining it all to your fucking retarded mind, maybe you can read about it on Wikipedia LOL (that was a joke, only fucking idiots refer to Wikipedia as if it’s a reliable source lol)

  93. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Friday, June 12th, 2020 08:36 pm GMT -5 at 8:36 pm

    Well shucks Proud Smack I like you too, I highly appreciate your invitation but just don’t find the idea of a website forum appealing. If any of the “big boys” want to come out to play I can be found out here, I’m always open for a healthy non abusive dialogue….scratch the non abusive part, WHAT YOU GOT!! I can understand why no one likes Vinyllover, he is a deluded douchebag but what can you do. CPN is clearly more intelligent than this vinyllover douche and I think you should write CPN a written apology for implying they could be the same person, vinyllover clearly got run over by a car a few times as a child.

  94. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 13th, 2020 12:19 am GMT -5 at 12:19 am

    “Joe Bruce owns them and he should be able to sit on them just because he owns them.”
    Nice tautology. That’s not an argument. The fact that you STILL can’t refute my 9:16 post showing the economic benefits of NOT having to pay cash to Twiztid shows I’m in the right and you’ll always be in the wrong. You can claim “disrespect” shown by Twiztid from 2013-2016 all you want but as an admitted non-juggalo (my first post on this board explained how I respected old 90’s and early 2000’s ICP but nothing beyond that in their career), I’m not going to just take your word for it. I’m also not going to claim Mono always lies, and then has to back off of that when confronted and saying he lies only sometimes. I don’t have to move the goal posts. That’s you. LOL.
    CPN more intelligent than me? LOL. Then why was I able to refute his stupid shit about the gang list?
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/cpn-is-still-an-idiot-who-doesnt-understand-the-fbi-gang-list/
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/so-if-juggalos-will-never-forgive-or-support-twiztid-again/

  95. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 13th, 2020 09:28 pm GMT -5 at 9:28 pm

    VinylLover, shut the fuck up already. You’re a bitch, we know. It’s ok to love vinyl as much as you, we just don’t want to hear about it. Again jump off your soap box or pulpit and ease your convictions. Lord hallelujah. This post is toast. Good night

  96. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2020 02:52 am GMT -5 at 2:52 am

    Vinyllover I already addressed that your only argument is that it would help Twiztid, I don’t give a fuck if it helps Twiztid the fact still remains that they are property of Joe Bruce and he can do whatever he likes with his own property, there I just refuted your bullshit arguemnt, just read what I wrote at the start of this sentence you fucking retard. CPN is definitely more intelligent than you, no question.

  97. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2020 02:53 am GMT -5 at 2:53 am

    And in the words of a wise man, Mne should quit pressing albums up….they shouldn’t litter hahaha

  98. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2020 04:59 pm GMT -5 at 4:59 pm

    Mikey still can’t name what transgressions or crimes Twiztid committed in 2013-2016 that meant they didn’t deserve any masters in those years. All he has is “Joe’s masters” “Joe’s masters.” The funny thing is that he knows deep down inside that BECAUSE they go in the red putting on an annual gathering, that paying Twiztid in masters that would never be used again by Psycophathic Records, SAVED THE POCKETBOOKS OF PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS SOME MONEY. In other words, Joe saved money for the gathering, and twiztid made money on the masters. When one party SAVES and another PROFITS, that means NOBODY LOSES. DUH! Hence that is a ECONOMICALLY BETTER SCENARIO as explained in my 9:16 post. Then again, Mikey doesn’t care about logic and facts.

  99. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2020 09:00 pm GMT -5 at 9:00 pm

    No you fucking idiot as I’ve already said if you couldn’t pick up on all the subtle disses and disrespect Twiztid were showing ICP then I’m not holding your hand and explaining it to you, I know it happened, all the real juggalos know it happened, there’s obvious evidence out there that it happened, what did you think all the shit talk just suddenly popped off in 2017 like magic, it had been happening for years and all the juggalos could pick up on it, not my fault you’re too dumb to see it, you probably saw it and turned into another pile of bullshit in your head like Twiztid black mailing masters out of Psy is somehow doing them a favour.

  100. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 15th, 2020 01:19 am GMT -5 at 1:19 am

    Mikey admits I don’t know what Twiztid was guilty of in 2013-2016, but then he changes his mind and says maybe I do know but just don’t care. He’s scatterbrained and can’t make up his mind. I already exposed his stupid blackmail argument:
    Taking masters over money SAVED Psychopathic records money BECAUSE they go in the red putting on an annual Gathering every year. Mikey admitted the fact about them going in the red as a premise, THEREFORE, he has to accept the CONCLUSION that Twiztid by taking masters THAT WERE NEVER GONNA BE USED AGAIN ANYWAY BY PSYCHOPATHIC, they saved them some cash. He claims I’m wrong and twisting things, BUT HE DOESN’T EXPLAIN WHY ON LOGICAL GROUNDS! He literally thinks that Twiztid helping Joe Bruce keep money in his pocket is NOT saving him from spending money. In Mikey’s world, not spending money equals spending money. A = B. THAT’S INSANE!
    I will take Mikey’s inability to tell me of Twiztid’s crimes between 2013-2016 as an admission that he has no evidence or proof. Saying “all juggalos know this” is an appeal to authority fallacy. But that’s Mikey for you. Dick riding Joe Bruce to the point of logical incoherency.
    I mean, when I cornered him and he admitted that okay not everything Mono said in that youtube video was a lie (since Twiztid DID leave around Green Book LIKE HE SAID in the video), that left the door open for Mono telling the truth about the physical assault and the fucking Twiztid out of 6 figures in money. But Mono is apparently lying about that because they ran with Jamie Nicole’s false rape claim. Another logical fallacy from Mikey (non sequitor, or even poisoning the well). Mikey fallaciously projects the future into the past and blurs linear time. There is no reason for Mono to make that up.

  101. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 15th, 2020 05:25 am GMT -5 at 5:25 am

    I’m saying it’s one of the 2 you douchebag, either you were too dumb to notice or too busy licking Twiztids ball bag to notice, either way you’re still a clueless twizzler.
    Mne should quit pressing albums up anyway, it’s bad to litter.

  102. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 15th, 2020 05:29 am GMT -5 at 5:29 am

    It left the door open, it didn’t confirm it, it didnt confirm anything and considering he lies about such big things at the drop of a hat I’m not gonna trust what he says on any issue, that’s how lying works you dumb douche, no one constantly tells lies you fucking idiot but Monoxide is a lying cock sucker so I don’t trust his word, you can because you’re a dumb twizzler but I sure as hell won’t.

  103. 2kuul

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 17th, 2020 03:23 am GMT -5 at 3:23 am

    So this is a re-re-release.
    Original release: June 22, 2010
    “Reborn” release: October 21, 2014
    “10th Anniversary”: June 22, 2020
    Can’t wait for the 2030 remix album.

  104. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 17th, 2020 09:02 am GMT -5 at 9:02 am

    You forgot
    Gang Rags: The Extended Version – Uncut & Uncensored : June 2011

    The 10th anniversary is the 4th incarnation to be released

  105. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 17th, 2020 08:30 pm GMT -5 at 8:30 pm

    The Gang Rags Reborn doesn’t count because the songs are totally different. So is the record label and even the production team.

    Reborn better come on vinyl some time.

  106. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Wednesday, June 17th, 2020 09:08 pm GMT -5 at 9:08 pm

    Oops. Turns out that the reborn gang rags on magik ninja is just new beats over the lyrics that were on the Psychopathic release in 2011 that came out due to some feud with J-10. I didn’t even know that one existed. According to amazon, this vinyl will have the track list of the original 2010 version. Makes sense since it’s 10th anniversary I guess. So we have:
    1. Gang Rags 2010. Psy beats.
    2. Gang Rags Extended. 2011. Psy beats.
    3. Gang Rags Reborn 2014. MNE (2011 Psy lyrics)
    4. Gang Rags vinyl 2020 MNE (2010 Psy beats & lyrics).

    Or, will there be NEW BEATS from MNE on this release with 2010 Psy lyrics and song titles? Hmmmmm….

  107. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 04:22 am GMT -5 at 4:22 am

    How many times can a man be wrong before he just lies down and stops trying to sound smart LOL ^^^

  108. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 07:59 am GMT -5 at 7:59 am

    Mikey has added a new argument to his arsenal. Vinyllover, a non Juggalo was ignorant of a Blaze 2011 album, therefore he’s wrong about Twiztid not blackmailing masters out of Joe Bruce. He’s blurring linear time as 2020 has nothing to do with the period of 2013-2016. He still can’t refute my arguments:
    Mikey still can’t name what transgressions or crimes Twiztid committed in 2013-2016 that meant they didn’t deserve any masters in those years. In fact NOBODY seems to be able to:
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/can-anyone-tell-me-twiztids-crimes-between-2013-2016/
    All he has is “Joe’s masters” “Joe’s masters.” The funny thing is that he knows deep down inside that BECAUSE they go in the red putting on an annual gathering, that paying Twiztid in masters that would never be used again by Psycophathic Records, SAVED THE POCKETBOOKS OF PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS SOME MONEY. In other words, Joe saved money for the gathering, and twiztid made money on the masters. When one party SAVES and another PROFITS, that means NOBODY LOSES. DUH! Hence that is a ECONOMICALLY BETTER SCENARIO as explained in my 9:06 post. Then again, Mikey doesn’t care about logic and facts.

  109. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 05:12 pm GMT -5 at 5:12 pm

    Nope was just pointing that you were ONCE AGAIN wrong, on a long loooong list of things you’ve been wrong about haha. But go ahead make yourself sound like more of a dumb shit it’s hilarious. Twiztid didn’t save the pocket books of anyone you fuck head, they only look out for themselves, here is how a twizzler will turn something like blackmail and twist it into “Twiztid is doing people favours!” Lol fuck outta here vinyllover you child.

  110. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 06:49 pm GMT -5 at 6:49 pm

    ” Twiztid didn’t save the pocket books of anyone you fuck head”
    By not taking cash and instead taking a master Joe Bruce would never use again to line his pockets anyway, YES THAT WAS SAVING JOE BRUCE MONEY! Don’t be silly.

  111. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 08:14 pm GMT -5 at 8:14 pm

    The mental gymnastics of a retarded twizzler ^^^ if it was such a money saver record labels would be doing it left and right, But they don’t and you sound like a fucking idiot trying to claim that it’s some sort of money saving business move, it was black mail plain and simple. As a record label you never give up your masters, money comes and goes, you always keep your masters, anyone thats not a complete fucking idiot knows that.

  112. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 09:10 pm GMT -5 at 9:10 pm

    “As a record label you never give up your masters”
    The question is WHY? And Mikey will not ask that because he knows the answer: TO MAKE MONEY! What Mikey is leaving out of the equation is that record companies either keep their masters and KEEP USING THEM IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM LUCRATIVE, or they lease them out to others to use for a fee ALSO TO MAKE THEM LUCRATIVE. Since Joe Bruce WASN’T doing either A or B, Mikey’s attempt to compare them to record labels THAT DO use their masters to line their pockets, fails because he’s comparing apples and oranges. You can’t just say “you never give up your masters” and not give a reason. Everything has a reason, silly.

  113. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 09:53 pm GMT -5 at 9:53 pm

    Can we let this magical post die a painless death. 110+ posts and its still alive. Who knows, maybe blaze will hit us with a brand new song on this 4th incarnation of a dope album.

  114. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 10:57 pm GMT -5 at 10:57 pm

    He won’t, it’ll be the same old rehashed version Psy released 10 years ago, because thats all Mne can do, rehash Psychopathics ideas from 10 years ago.
    BDM it doesn’t matter the reason you fuck tard as a record label you don’t give up your masters PERIOD it is their property, they’re not obligated to do any favours you fucking cunt they’re a record label, and record labels don’t just give up their masters, for ANYTHING, fucking idiot.

  115. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 11:18 pm GMT -5 at 11:18 pm

    “BDM it doesn’t matter the reason you fuck tard ”
    Yes it does. Making money. See my 9:10 post.

  116. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 11:24 pm GMT -5 at 11:24 pm

    No because if that was the case you’d hear about record labels doing it all the time, but record labels don’t, for ANY reason, you never give up your masters. What I find funny is this BDM dipshit thinks he knows more about running a record label than someone who’s been doing it for decades, it’s unheard of in the music industry, it never happens, because record labels always hold on to their masters….you…..fucking……idiot.

  117. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2020 11:30 pm GMT -5 at 11:30 pm

    FACT #1. Joe Bruce was never gonna use the master to make products for profit and THAT LOGICALLY MEANS he did NOT lose any source of income or capital.
    FACT #2. Twiztid by NOT taking cash, therefore, LOGICALLY saved Joe from paying them cash. Hence, JOE GOT TO KEEP CASH! Thanks to Twiztid taking masters, THEY SAVED JOE MONEY!

    Mikey can’t refute these facts on logical or evidential grounds. All he has are insults such as “twizzler” and wild claims of “distorting” or “twisting” that have no actual demonstration or proof behind them.

  118. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Friday, June 19th, 2020 12:57 am GMT -5 at 12:57 am

    FACT #1 you have no idea what Joe Bruce is going to do, you never had a clue what Joe Bruce would do because you clearly don’t know shit about running a record label.
    They could of just NOT had Twiztid at all you fucking idiot, if your only argument is Psy could have saved money then they just wouldn’t have Twiztid at the Gathering at all you fucking moron, it happened because twiztid blackmailed the masters outta Psy. Any argument you have about saving money could easily be resolved by Psy by simply not having Twiztid at the Gathering, they keep their money and they keep their masters, this would save Psy more than anything else according to you, it didn’t happen that way and if you haven’t figured out why yet than you’re a dumb cunt.

  119. OneLeggedJuggalo

    Comment posted on Friday, June 19th, 2020 05:31 am GMT -5 at 5:31 am

    Considering I got physical copies of almost every Psychopathic release and have never purchased a single item from MNE (just listened to it for free online) – I cant really be a part of this discussion/argument.

  120. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Friday, June 19th, 2020 06:47 am GMT -5 at 6:47 am

    “you have no idea what Joe Bruce is going to do”
    FACT #3: A record label that loses money ever year when putting on the Gathering that has to be made up elsewhere is NOT going to spend money putting out albums of an artist that isn’t even on their label anymore when they are having trouble paying their own fucking artists and have lawsuits hanging over their heads! LOL.
    The reality is Twiztid saw them fuck up Abominationz by running out of cds and they realized they had to protect their own albums. Common sense. Not to mention of course the 9 million dollar lawsuit Psychopathic Records is facing from Midnight Syndicate.
    For you to pretend there was even a possibility that Psychopathic records would put a limited run of cds back in print flies in the face of your PREVIOUS statement that cds are dying. So now you’re flip flopping. As I said, the only way to make money off masters is to do limited vinyl runs for people like me. And to pretend Psychopathic Records would do that violates the facts in the first 2 paragraphs I just said.
    “They could of just NOT had Twiztid at all you fucking idiot,”
    In 2013-2016, Joe Bruce is NOT gonna piss off Juggalos who were still Twiztid fans by not having them. When you say this, you keep acting like Twiztid was costing Joe money. THEY WEREN’T AND THAT’S THE POINT! For this to work, Twiztid would have three options:
    1. Take masters.
    2. Take their worth in cash thus financially putting more strain on Joe’s Gathering costs.
    3. Take LESS than their worth in cash like bitches.
    Clearly 2 and 3 were not good options.

  121. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Friday, June 19th, 2020 06:49 am GMT -5 at 6:49 am

    9:16 post above still unrefuted:
    “ICP said in that interview in regards to Twiztid being at the Gathering “we don’t want them there, because we don’t want that kinda energy” it’s ICPs event so clearly they banned Twiztid from performing at the Gathering, any idiot can see that.”
    The “energy” that they didn’t like was them getting back their masters. Twiztid wouldn’t name their price anymore but kept demanding masters and THAT is when Joe pulled the plug. He didn’t ban them, he just stopped paying them what they wanted. In other words, if Twiztid decided to take cash, Joe would have welcomed them back. Way to ignore the forest for the trees.
    1+1=2. Learn to add.
    Furthemore, what you’re leaving out is the detail that AFTER they signed Young Wicked, THAT is what prevented a reconciliation. How do I know it was THIS and not THE MASTERS? OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JOE BRUCE HIMSELF. Joe even said if Twiztid got rid of Young Wicked, ICP would be willing to talk to Twiztid again. What does that mean? Simple. That even after the masters debacle, THAT WOULDN’T MATTER if they JUST GOT RID OF YOUNG WICKED. Joe’s own words. Get rid of him and we can talk again.
    1+1=2. Learn to add.

  122. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 20th, 2020 10:36 pm GMT -5 at 10:36 pm

    Except their not Twiztids albums, they’re Psychiapthics property. You’re right about the masters not being the straw that broke the camel’s back. But ICP nor I ever said it was, so why your arguing against a point I never made just makes you sound like even more of a fucking idiot than you already do. The masters thing is less personal and more business, that’s just how record labels handle their own property, they hang onto their masters, no matter what, Psychoapthic does it, every other record label that’s existed has done it, that’s how the music industry is, plain and simple. It doesn’t help that Twiztid were blackmailing ICP either but hey retards like you will always be around to blindly turn their shady behaviour into somehow honourable behaviour, you’re a joke vinyllover, plain and simple.

  123. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 05:00 am GMT -5 at 5:00 am

    FACT #1. Joe Bruce was never gonna use the master to make products for profit and THAT LOGICALLY MEANS he did NOT lose any source of income or capital.
    FACT #2. Twiztid by NOT taking cash, therefore, LOGICALLY saved Joe from paying them cash. Hence, JOE GOT TO KEEP CASH! Thanks to Twiztid taking masters, THEY SAVED JOE MONEY!
    FACT #3: A record label that loses money ever year when putting on the Gathering that has to be made up elsewhere is NOT going to spend money putting out albums of an artist that isn’t even on their label anymore when they are having trouble paying their own fucking artists and have lawsuits hanging over their heads! LOL.
    The reality is Twiztid saw them fuck up Abominationz by running out of cds and they realized they had to protect their own albums. Common sense. Not to mention of course the 9 million dollar lawsuit Psychopathic Records is facing from Midnight Syndicate.

    Mikey can’t refute these facts on logical or evidential grounds. All he has are insults such as “twizzler” and wild claims of “distorting” or “twisting” that have no actual demonstration or proof behind them.

  124. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 05:35 am GMT -5 at 5:35 am

    It doesn’t matter if he wanted to nothing, they’re his property, if he wants to do nothing with his own property that’s his right. It doesn’t matter what monetary gains could take place as a record label you never give up your masters you stupid cock sucker. They make up the money they lose on the Gathering by touring, not by giving up masters to former artists you fucking idiot, because a record label would never do that unless they’re being black mailed, which they were, Twiztid clearly blackmailed the masters out of Psy. Me and everyone else can see this because it’s very black and white and obvious that Twiztid was pulling some shady black mail shit to weasel some masters outta ICP, you’re just a twizzler which makes you a fucking idiot lol. You got no facts, you just talk out your ass like the little faggot you are lololol

  125. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 05:32 pm GMT -5 at 5:32 pm

    “It doesn’t matter if he wanted to nothing, they’re his property, if he wants to do nothing with his own property that’s his right. ”
    Wrong. He has no right to be a cunt and keep money out of Twiztid’s pocket (masters made the money for limited vinyl runs) for no reason or pay them less than what they are worth for a gathering slot, but then expect love and Gathering slots from Twitid and Twiztid fans.
    ” They make up the money they lose on the Gathering by touring”
    Good for them. I know that.
    “a record label would never do that unless they’re being black mailed”
    So Blazay Roze blackmailed her masters back out of Joe Bruce? LOL.
    “Twiztid clearly blackmailed the masters out of Psy.”
    Nope. You’re still wrong after all this time. Giving up masters that weren’t a money maker for him anymore and were never gonna be again. COST HIM NOTHING! Twiztid took no cash SO IT STILL COST HIM NOTHING. Hence there is NO BLACKMAIL!

  126. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 06:16 pm GMT -5 at 6:16 pm

    “”It doesn’t matter if he wanted to nothing, they’re his property, if he wants to do nothing with his own property that’s his right. ”
    Wrong. He has no right”
    No I’m afraid you’re wrong Vinylover, that IS his right and there’s nothing whiney little cunts like you can do to stop that, his property, he can do nothing with his own property, That is his right and you’re dead wrong if you don’t think that’s his right.
    If you already know that ICP makes up any losses with touring then quit acting like twizrid blackmailing masters is somehow allowing Psy to not lose money on the Gathering, they do that with touring you fucking idiot which is much smarter than some retard idea like paying an artist with masters, ICP plan the Gathering every year knowing they’ll lose money because they know they can make it up with touring therefore they can HOLD ON TO THEIR MASTERS and don’t have to do any dumb shit deals that involve giving their masters up. And if someone wants to do nothing with their own property, that is their right, you were clearly dead wrong about that and you know it.

  127. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 08:43 pm GMT -5 at 8:43 pm

    “If you already know that ICP makes up any losses with touring then quit acting like twizrid blackmailing masters is somehow allowing Psy to not lose money on the Gathering”
    Just because Psy makes money other ways to cover the Gathering costs AFTER the gathering, that DOESN’T prove that it cost Joe any dollars to give up masters he wasn’t using to make money. THEREFORE, since you know DAMN WELL that Twiztid taking masters cost Joe Bruce ZERO money, the ONLY argument you have is “but muh masters” or rather “but Joe’s masters.” That’s not an argument for keeping money out of Twiztid’s pocket since they could make money off them with limited vinyl pressings. ESPECIALLY since Joe already fucked them out of 6 figures and assaulted them years prior. No sympathy for Joe Bruce acting like a tyrant shithead. Fuck him.

  128. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 11:17 pm GMT -5 at 11:17 pm

    It doesn’t matter if it costs Joe dollars to give them up or not because he’s under no obligation to give them up, either way they’re his property, his choice. And he’s definitely not inclined to do any favours for back stabbing cock suckers like Twiztid. You seem to blindly believe the stories of a smoked out retard like Monoxide even though you’ve already acknowleged that he’s a liar, you believe in anecdotal evidence from someone you agree has been caught lying several times before……
    you are what we call a twizzler, or a fucking idiot, either one suits you.

  129. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 21st, 2020 11:35 pm GMT -5 at 11:35 pm

    “it doesn’t matter if it costs Joe dollars to give them up or not”
    earlier you tried to claim I was stupid for saying that paying in masters DIDN’T save Joe money when it clearly did. So YOU LOSE THAT ONE! That is why you only have one argument left: “they’re his property.”
    And cash would have been his property too, but he still would have had to pay Twiztid somehow for their services. Why is cash for performance fair, but not masters? You’re being silly. LOL. Twiztid would be wrong for asking for too much cash or been bitches for taking too little cash. Clearly, masters Joe wasn’t using was the best option since Twiztid later got money for it, and Joe LOST NO SOURCE OF INCOME!
    “You seem to blindly believe the stories of a smoked out retard like Monoxide”
    Ad hominem fallacy.
    ” even though you’ve already acknowleged that he’s a liar,”
    And now you’re once again trying to claim that he’s lying about the assault and 6 figures of money just because he and Jamie went ham on the CPN thing. Remember how in the same video he SPOKE TRUTH about how Twiztid left at the Green Book era and you backed off and said okay not literally everything in that video is a lie. I then said good then don’t attack the whole thing. And you’re doing the same fallacy yet again.

  130. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 12:54 am GMT -5 at 12:54 am

    It doesn’t save him money you fucking idiot, any losses made are made up with touring and merchandise, no giving away masters necessary, there’s all kinds of things that he could sell to make money you fucking retard that doesn’t mean he has to, it’s his property, it’s his right to do what he pleases with them. Twiztid didn’t just lie about the CPN thing, we’ve already mentioned several other examples where twiztid were blatantly caught lying or being super shady, don’t remember? Scroll up and have a read fuck head. Your only piece of evidence for this obvious bullshit claim you have about 6 figures is that “monoxide said it in a wake and bake”…..are you retarded? He says all kinds of made up bullshit in his wake and bakes, the guys been caught lying that many times you would have to be a fucking idiot to trust anything he says, just because Monoxide says something like “the sky is blue” (which is true) doesn’t mean I’m going to suddenly forget about all the many many times he did lie, but you see that as a reason to trust him? Man you’re dumb as fuck lol.

  131. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 01:07 am GMT -5 at 1:07 am

    “It doesn’t save him money you fucking idiot,”
    Mikey is literally saying that even though Joe Bruce didn’t pay Twiztid any money for their slots at the Gathering, he still somehow lost money JUST IN THAT ONE ISOLATED EXCHANGE of master for performance that took 20 seconds to make. LOL.
    “Twiztid didn’t just lie about the CPN thing, we’ve already mentioned several other examples”
    These are the only 2 I mentioned as possibilities:
    1. Acting all sjw pretending they didn’t know about that supavillans song that kills a gay person in it
    2. Believing the lies of Jayme Nicole that CPN threatened to rape her and running with it on IG.
    #2 is what I just talked about and admitted this case of “believe all women” went bad for them.
    #1 was refuted here with 2 time stamped videos.
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/can-anyone-tell-me-twiztids-crimes-between-2013-2016/#p251449
    So you clearly have no other evidence of Twiztid lying stepping out of line in 2013-2016 that made them unworthy of any of those masters. If you did for those 3 years, you’d present it. Truth is, you’re just mad they left the label.
    ” it’s his right to do what he pleases with them. ”
    If Island records was failing and not keeping ICP stuff in print, and ICP could “pull a Twiztid” on them and get free masters, you’d cheer ICP on. Don’t fucking pretend you’re about the underground and independent artists while you cheer on major corporations fucking an artist out of money.

  132. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 01:19 am GMT -5 at 1:19 am

    Here’s a good one:
    “you would have to be a fucking idiot to trust anything he says”
    I would be foolish to believe anything Mono says..
    “just because Monoxide says something like “the sky is blue” (which is true) ”
    Wait I would be an idiot for believing anything Mono says? Even if it’s true?
    Come on Mikey. Quit being silly.

  133. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 06:18 am GMT -5 at 6:18 am

    No you absolute douchebag this is your logic:
    Monoxide gets caught in a lie he told.
    Monoxide gets caught in a lie he told.
    Monoxide gets caught in a lie he told.
    Monoxide gets caught in a lie he told.
    Monoxide gets caught in a lie he told.
    Monoxide says the sky is blue.

    Vinyllover: ah see! He was telling the truth about the sky being blue so that means I can definitely trust what he says about anything else even though I agree he’s been caught lying! I’m a twizzler! I’m clueless as fuck!

    Lol get a clue vinyllover you twizzler.

  134. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 07:25 am GMT -5 at 7:25 am

    Ugh. FINALLY my 1:07 am post got approved. I guess it takes a while when links are included. Watch Mikey dodge that one as well. haha. My favourite part is the first part:
    “It doesn’t save him money you fucking idiot,”
    Mikey is literally saying that even though Joe Bruce didn’t pay Twiztid any money for their slots at the Gathering, he still somehow lost money JUST IN THAT ONE ISOLATED EXCHANGE of master for performance that took 20 seconds to make. LOL.
    In other words, Mikey has no possible economic argument for saying Joe lost money to Twiztid by giving up masters he wasn’t using to make money. We know this. That’s why his failsafe is “but muh masters.”
    ” it’s his right to do what he pleases with them. ”
    If Island records was failing by losing money and having hanging lawsuits in the air, and not keeping ICP stuff in print, and ICP could “pull a Twiztid” on them and get free masters, you’d cheer ICP on. But if you actually DID or WOULD tell ICP to suck Island’s dick then don’t pretend you’re about the underground and independent artists while you cheer on major corporations fucking an artist out of money.

  135. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 03:24 pm GMT -5 at 3:24 pm

    This post is now 2 weeks old. Vinyllover, no one cares. Mikey, no one cares. Please stop saying the same shit over and over. Twiztid has never been paid for a gathering appearance, therefore they did blackmail j by saying if you don’t give us our masters, we won’t help you with the wizard of the hood performance, which, by the way, was already hyped and promoted to the juggalos. J and Shaggs would have had to come up with a ton of money for props and shit that was already purchased if twiztid (and Blaze) didn’t show up. I personally, am a “twizzler” but i am a juggalo who will call someone out for being wrong. What twiztid did to icp is their business, but what they did to the juggalos is wrong because if j had said no, they would have said fuck you to the juggalos, which they again did at the March. Mmfwcl .

  136. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 03:46 pm GMT -5 at 3:46 pm

    No vinyllover you fucking retard learn to read, that’s not what I said at all, the stupid argument you had was it would make J money, that is a retarded argument as there are all kinds of ways to make money, that doesn’t mean he HAS to do it you fucking idiot, if he doesn’t want to do it thats his choice, it’s his property. It’s not a fail safe and it’s not “muh masters” and you sound like a cock sucker every time you say that, it’s not “muh masters” it’s just what EVERY FUCKING RECORD LABEL DOES you absolute fucking moron, its what’s done in the music industry, which you clearly know nothing about, you’re acting as if this behaviour is completely unique to violent J, J is doing what ANY reputable record label owner would do, get that thru your twizzler skull you stupid faggot. No I wouldn’t cheer ICP on and you continuously make arguments based on assumptions that you know nothing about because you have no clue what me nor Violent J would do in any scenario because you’re a fucking idiot.

  137. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 22nd, 2020 05:51 pm GMT -5 at 5:51 pm

    ” the stupid argument you had was it would make J money,”
    Nope. I said masters were not making J money because he wasn’t using them and never would again. Twiztid would. And did. And made money. I ALSO SAID, that by NOT taking cash in that exchange for Gathering services, THEY MADE SURE J DIDN’T DIP INTO HIS POCKETBOOK. So yes, that is technically IN THAT 20 SECOND TRANSACTION, saving J cash money.
    “it’s just what EVERY FUCKING RECORD LABEL DOES you absolute fucking moron, its what’s done in the music industry, which you clearly know nothing about,”
    Actually some artists HAVE gotten masters back. Blahzay Rose is one of them and you never explained how she blackmailed them out of J. NOR did you even ATTEMPT to explain why it’s okay for Twiztid to take cash but not masters.
    “you’re acting as if this behaviour is completely unique to violent J”
    Wrong again, Mikey. That’s your faulty impression.
    “No I wouldn’t cheer ICP on”
    Then you’re a fucking idiot and a traitor to ICP if you wouldn’t cheer them on if they pulled a “Twiztid” on Island if Island was dying and holding on to their masters for no good fucking reason that they’d never use to make money again. Or else, you’re a liar. Either way, it looks bad for you.

  138. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2020 09:55 am GMT -5 at 9:55 am

    “NOR did you even ATTEMPT to explain why it’s okay for Twiztid to take cash but not masters.”

    Because cash is the widely accepted form of payment, not masters. Sorry dude but it’s the truth. Also, i haven’t seen blahzay do anything useful with her masters. So, who cares?

  139. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2020 10:36 am GMT -5 at 10:36 am

    ” cash is the widely accepted form of payment, not masters.”
    So according to you, Twiztid should have either: 1. taken less cash than they were worth like bitches,
    or
    2. taken exactly what they were worth in cash like assholes and hurt Joe’s wallet.
    Quit being silly. Taking a master Joe was never gonna use to make money again SAVES JOE FROM PAYING THEM for the Gathering and therefore saves him money in THAT PARTICULAR EXCHANGE of master for Gathering slot that only took 10 or 20 seconds to make. If it WASN’T a money saver then Joe would never have done it! He knew damn well he was never gonna use masters to make products to make money ever again!
    ” i haven’t seen blahzay do anything useful with her masters. ”
    The fact that she got them back refutes Mikey’s 5:35 am post claim that anytime an artist gets masters back, it’s always because of blackmail. Therefore nobody has any actual logical or economic arguments proving how what Twiztid did was blackmail.

  140. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2020 10:59 am GMT -5 at 10:59 am

    You are still dumb as fuck and just don’t understand that you are making yourself look like an ass.

  141. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2020 03:41 pm GMT -5 at 3:41 pm

    Haha thankyou Njones20! You da man. I’ve tried explaining to this fucking idiot Vinyllover that paying an artist for a performance with masters just isn’t done in the music industry and the only way it happened is because Twiztid clearly blackmailed them outta ICP. He’s too clueless to understand basic concepts.
    Vinylover everyone thinks you’re an idiot, and it’s hilarious, your points are truly rediculius and it’s hilarious watching you struggle.

  142. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 27th, 2020 05:21 pm GMT -5 at 5:21 pm

    “paying an artist for a performance with masters just isn’t done in the music industry the only way it happened is because Twiztid clearly blackmailed them outta ICP.”
    No true scotsman fallacy. Nice one. You still didn’t explain how Blahzay Roze blackmailed her masters out of Joe Bruce. LOL. And you fools still can’t explain what better way there would have been to pay twiztid in that 20 seconds it took to exchange a performance for a payment. Cash? Okay. So Twiztid can take what they are worth and hurt J’s pocketbook in that deal that takes 20 seconds to make, or they can take less than what they are worth like bitches. Can either of you brainiacs explain why those two options were better? Because I don’t think you can!

  143. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Saturday, June 27th, 2020 09:48 pm GMT -5 at 9:48 pm

    Vinyllover. I’m sure you love vinyl so much, you probably have a few sex dolls. Blahzay didn’t blackmail them, she fucked them outta j. She gave him some ass and he gave her some masters. She sucked anyway, so who gives a fuck. Just because twiztid blackmailed j doesn’t have anything to do with if j should have given them. It is his legal right to do whatever the fuck he wants. He saved money because twiztid played the gathering. If they didn’t he would have paid more. The entire issue is with the ethics of the situation. I’m a so called twizzler, but when someone is wrong, they are wrong. Twiztid fucked psy over at least twice. 1. Blackmailing j for the masters and 2. Not coming to the march. Cut and dry. End of story. Please, vinyllover, break one of your records and use it to kill yourself. You’re a stupid IGNORANT fuck. Yes i emphasized ignorant. Fuck off.

  144. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Sunday, June 28th, 2020 01:08 am GMT -5 at 1:08 am

    Blahzay Rose getting masters back without blackmail disproves Mikey’s thesis that the only reason labels part with masters is blackmail.
    “He saved money because twiztid played the gathering.”
    Thanks for admitting the fact that Mikey always tried to deny. That TWIZTID NOT TAKING CASH, SAVED VIOLENT J HAVING TO PAY THEM MONEY! You still can’t explain what better way there would have been to pay twiztid in that 20 seconds it took to exchange a performance for a payment. Cash? Okay. So Twiztid can take what they are worth and hurt J’s pocketbook in that deal that takes 20 seconds to make, or they can take less than what they are worth like bitches. Can either of you brainiacs explain why those two options were better? Because I don’t think you can!
    “Twiztid fucked psy over at least twice. 1. Blackmailing j for the masters and 2. Not coming to the march.”
    Quit bitching about the march. It was stupid and it did NOTHING for Juggalos. CPN and other idiot 17%rs like you probably didn’t even read the NGIC 2011 report, much less understand it’s actual implications.
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/so-if-juggalos-will-never-forgive-or-support-twiztid-again/
    https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/cpn-is-still-an-idiot-who-doesnt-understand-the-fbi-gang-list/

  145. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Monday, June 29th, 2020 08:13 am GMT -5 at 8:13 am

    Dude you just can’t admit that you are full of shit. Fucking simple ass fuck. You truly are the epitome of what a dumbass is. You are still talking about j’s pocketbook. It has nothing to do worth his money. It’s the ethics. What twiztid did was unethical. They claim time after time that they represent the juggalos but still find ways to fuck over the people the supposedly represent. It’s Double A all over again. Fucking juffalo.

    ALSO, citing a forum doesn’t give factual information, but it does prove you are grasping at straws.

  146. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Monday, June 29th, 2020 06:04 pm GMT -5 at 6:04 pm

    ” It has nothing to do worth his money. It’s the ethics. What twiztid did was unethical. ”
    Making a business transaction that takes 20 seconds to make that saved J from having to pay Twiztid in cash to come to the gathering, is unethical in your opinion. Saving J money is unethical. Wow. If that isn’t backwards I don’t know what is.
    “What twiztid did was unethical.”
    You still can’t explain why Twiztid should have done either of the 2 instead of taking masters that violent J was never going to use again.
    a. Take what they were worth, thus hurting J’s pocketbook
    b. Take less than what they were worth, making them bitches.
    “They claim time after time that they represent the juggalos but still find ways to fuck over the people the supposedly represent.”
    By not marching? Sorry, I’ve already refuted that garbage with those two links to old topics above. I know you won’t read government documents. Most 17%rs hate taking the time to do that.
    “ALSO, citing a forum doesn’t give factual information”
    The forum is not being cited. The forum is being LINKED to where you can see CITATION of GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS! Stop being silly.

  147. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Monday, June 29th, 2020 10:05 pm GMT -5 at 10:05 pm

    You truly are the stupidest fuck that i have ever had the displeasure of interacting with. Twiztid has NEVER been paid to play the gathering. They were expected to be there because they were signed to the label. I have been hated on because of my juggalo status almost as long as I’ve been one. Everyone always throws out the terms 17%rs and twizzler but fuck you I’m a juggalo and a better one than you. This is my last post on this because you continue to spew the same ignorant bullshit over and over expecting to achieve different results. If you respond, it’s because you want the last word. Little dick syndrome. Go fuck your vinyl doll and please just shut the fuck up. BTW, your little forum posts haven’t been touched in over a year. Get some new information.

  148. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 30th, 2020 08:04 am GMT -5 at 8:04 am

    “Twiztid has NEVER been paid to play the gathering. They were expected to be there because they were signed to the label. ”
    And this has fuck all to do with the years they were NOT on the label. That’s why you still need to answer my question:
    You still can’t explain why Twiztid should have done either of the 2 instead of taking masters that violent J was never going to use again.
    a. Take what they were worth, thus hurting J’s pocketbook
    b. Take less than what they were worth, making them bitches.
    ” I’m a juggalo and a better one than you”
    I admitted in the first topic I made on here that I was not a Juggalo, but I love ICP’s first 6 albums the most.
    “BTW, your little forum posts haven’t been touched in over a year.”
    And ignorant 17%rs haven’t bothered to properly read or understand government documents in SEVERAL years because they would rather take Violent J or CPN’s word on what they say or mean.

  149. njones20

    njones20

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 30th, 2020 08:59 am GMT -5 at 8:59 am

    Ok to answer your question:

    NEVER had twiztid been paid for a gathering. The same shit i have said numerous times.

    You’re full of more shit than mikey.

  150. vinyllover

    Comment posted on Tuesday, June 30th, 2020 06:12 pm GMT -5 at 6:12 pm

    So Twzitid being on their own label wouldn’t even have the right to ask for payment for a gathering performance? Not even cash?

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