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Dear Krunkazphunk
January 10, 2019
3:20 pm
Slumerican502
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Selfish assholes? Of course. That isnt strictly a first world problem its a human one. I dont feel like I’m a terrible person because I’m typing on a phone made from metals mined by people in terrible conditions.

We cant save the world. You’ll drive yourself fucking insane if you think you have to be 100 percent righteous and pure.

We gotta focus on the individual. Grow yourself and hopefully learn some ways to be a little less selfish. A little less of an asshole. Cuz make no mistake we are all selfish asshole. A terrible person plays into that. A decent person at least makes the attempt to better yourself. If you don’t look back on some of the shit you did and admit you were an asshole or an idiot then you arent growing as a person.

So I kinda agree and disagree with lucem at the same time. Shit like that needs to be unpacked a little bit so you leave as little as possible to others assumptions.

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January 10, 2019
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King Lucem Ferre said
You spend tons of money on meaningless objects to selfishly celebrate your own petty egos. Much of that money could be spent to literally save lives but you value materialism far more than human life. Many of the things you spend money on came at the expense of somebody elses’s suffering because I doubt either of you actually care about anybody outside of your bubble enough to research where you’re spending your money. So not only is your existence the cause of human suffering that you take advantage of, but you also do nothing to prevent it. I know, hard to swallow truth for the egomaniacs of the first world, but it is true. We aren’t the righteous crusaders we make ourselves out to be. 

Further more, when called out on it you point out how terrible your life has been to justify it because children can’t take accountability.

Just look at how you spend your time.

 

Krunk, you have a very overly simplistic and underdeveloped understanding of nihlism.

Also, yes, your feelings are hurt. Denying it so hard just makes you look desperate. Quit lying to yourself.  

Some of this is pretty agreeable. But its more the government’s fault than the random individual, still, I think we should all be looking for a way to make a difference, and you know, not arguing about made up bullshit like “feminists” do. If mass numbers of people really wanted to help the world, the best possible course of action I can think of is protesting and boycotting Coco cola because Coke is run by a bunch of psychopaths that will and have deprive an area in a 3rd world country of water in the name of making Coke and Dasani. Forcing them to die of thirst or buy coke products. There was another big company on my WTF list, but I can’t remember who they are. And don’t hate on the idea of outsourcing production of things to places like mexico (they need all the help they can get) but DON’T support sweat shops! Also support any diplomatic effort or even war that you think will benefit places like the middle east. (I’d gladly kill any number of people if it meant the separation of church and state there). But also ALL of these things can’t be done buy one random guy on the internet. So if you can’t rally a bunch of people why bother. There’s no point in no longer drinking coke because they ruined the lives of some people in Africa, because one guy no longer drinking coke doesn’t mean anything. You would need thousands of people protesting before they gave a fuck. So no, I would not scream at Krunk for not doing anything, what the hell can she do? Besides vote for people who might help internationally. And for a great many people (including her I’m guessing) they would rather help their own country than others, that doesn’t make them a bad person. It is what it is.

the world is fucking awful, (which was the purpose of linking that, I’m aware it doesn’t seem fully relevant, lot about pollution, but its about needing to change the world in general) but I don’t think hating the people who get the best of it is a good solution.

Edit: this one is more about not seeing the world around you

(also I know people will assume I am because I linked that video, but no, I’m not a socialist, at least for the most part)

Did you know that chocolate milk, yes, and why?

Please answer in a complete sentence.

 

January 10, 2019
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These self-hating cunts can scream all they like. Murica! I check myself & give my best every damn day, so maybe that’ll radiate outward into progress. Here’s hoping. And here’s a meme to end all:

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January 10, 2019
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Its very easy to underestimate the guy on the other end of a keystroke.

January 10, 2019
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krunkazphuk said
I’m incapable of having hurt feelings. Hate away, bitches. And maybe some of u good people would have mainstream healthcare if u didn’t smoke ur paychecks.  

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January 10, 2019
9:05 pm
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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

King Lucem Ferre said
You spend tons of money on meaningless objects to selfishly celebrate your own petty egos. Much of that money could be spent to literally save lives but you value materialism far more than human life. Many of the things you spend money on came at the expense of somebody elses’s suffering because I doubt either of you actually care about anybody outside of your bubble enough to research where you’re spending your money. So not only is your existence the cause of human suffering that you take advantage of, but you also do nothing to prevent it. I know, hard to swallow truth for the egomaniacs of the first world, but it is true. We aren’t the righteous crusaders we make ourselves out to be. 

Further more, when called out on it you point out how terrible your life has been to justify it because children can’t take accountability.

Just look at how you spend your time.

 

Krunk, you have a very overly simplistic and underdeveloped understanding of nihlism.

Also, yes, your feelings are hurt. Denying it so hard just makes you look desperate. Quit lying to yourself.  

Some of this is pretty agreeable. But its more the government’s fault than the random individual, still, I think we should all be looking for a way to make a difference, and you know, not arguing about made up bullshit like “feminists” do. If mass numbers of people really wanted to help the world, the best possible course of action I can think of is protesting and boycotting Coco cola because Coke is run by a bunch of psychopaths that will and have deprive an area in a 3rd world country of water in the name of making Coke and Dasani. Forcing them to die of thirst or buy coke products. There was another big company on my WTF list, but I can’t remember who they are. And don’t hate on the idea of outsourcing production of things to places like mexico (they need all the help they can get) but DON’T support sweat shops! Also support any diplomatic effort or even war that you think will benefit places like the middle east. (I’d gladly kill any number of people if it meant the separation of church and state there). But also ALL of these things can’t be done buy one random guy on the internet. So if you can’t rally a bunch of people why bother. There’s no point in no longer drinking coke because they ruined the lives of some people in Africa, because one guy no longer drinking coke doesn’t mean anything. You would need thousands of people protesting before they gave a fuck. So no, I would not scream at Krunk for not doing anything, what the hell can she do? Besides vote for people who might help internationally. And for a great many people (including her I’m guessing) they would rather help their own country than others, that doesn’t make them a bad person. It is what it is.

the world is fucking awful, (which was the purpose of linking that, I’m aware it doesn’t seem fully relevant, lot about pollution, but its about needing to change the world in general) but I don’t think hating the people who get the best of it is a good solution.

Edit: this one is more about not seeing the world around you

(also I know people will assume I am because I linked that video, but no, I’m not a socialist, at least for the most part)  

“Feminists” is a pretty broad term but instead of writing it off as made up, you should look at the research. 

Most people who call themselves feminists, like most people who call themselves anything, are reactionary and operating on hearsay but if you look at academic research from feminist scholars a lot of what they are arguing makes sense. 

Like “toxic masculinity” isn’t about competition but about the unhealthy ways that our society expects men to deal with competition like working 80 hours a week. Or how men often don’t have healthy outlets for their aggression so they post rants on the internet. Or how the right wing propaganda machine was able to convince guys that their lack of sex appeal was because they were too nice. 

Or, for a more personal example, how when I was in an abusive relationship the men in my life first made fun of me,  then added on to the abuse, and then ultimately abandoned me.

It was feminists who helped me find a place to live, who listened to what was going on and helped me recognize the cycles of abuse, and most importantly helped me begin rebuilding my life. 

They literally saved my life. 

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January 10, 2019
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Selfish assholes? Of course. That isnt strictly a first world problem its a human one. I dont feel like I’m a terrible person because I’m typing on a phone made from metals mined by people in terrible conditions.

We cant save the world. You’ll drive yourself fucking insane if you think you have to be 100 percent righteous and pure.

We gotta focus on the individual. Grow yourself and hopefully learn some ways to be a little less selfish. A little less of an asshole. Cuz make no mistake we are all selfish asshole. A terrible person plays into that. A decent person at least makes the attempt to better yourself. If you don’t look back on some of the shit you did and admit you were an asshole or an idiot then you arent growing as a person.

So I kinda agree and disagree with lucem at the same time. Shit like that needs to be unpacked a little bit so you leave as little as possible to others assumptions.  

Let me drive my point home by revising my original statement that OMD is a terrible person. OMD is neither a good person, nor a bad person he’s just is a person. He does good, he does bad but to label him one way or the other is a little narrow minded. Morality rarely works in absolutes and to over simplify it that way is a disservice to the complexities of morality and human nature as a whole. This idea of “I’m good” or “I’m bad” typically comes from a self righteous slab of egotism to justify not only your actions but to also dehumanize your enemies by labeling them “bad”. Morality is arguably subjective rather than objective. In that sense everybody is evil in somebody’s eyes. If morality is objective then I think we can agree that it’s defined by what helps mankind the most. In that sense then we are all at least a little evil just for living in a first world nation and supporting a system that benefits at another’s expense. Either way, it’s not really that simple I think we can all agree. 

 

And hey, this discussion is much more interesting than the previous one.

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said
Some of this is pretty agreeable. But its more the government’s fault than the random individual,

Yes and no. That’s a cop out. You on your own can’t change the system that’s already in place, but you can sacrifice some of your things to save another human’s life. That is in your hands.

still, I think we should all be looking for a way to make a difference, and you know, not arguing about made up bullshit like “feminists” do.

I’m not disagreeing, I think plenty of people make up shit to be angry about, but what is it that you think feminists have made up?

If mass numbers of people really wanted to help the world, the best possible course of action I can think of is protesting and boycotting Coco cola because Coke is run by a bunch of psychopaths that will and have deprive an area in a 3rd world country of water in the name of making Coke and Dasani. Forcing them to die of thirst or buy coke products. There was another big company on my WTF list, but I can’t remember who they are. And don’t hate on the idea of outsourcing production of things to places like mexico (they need all the help they can get) but DON’T support sweat shops! Also support any diplomatic effort or even war that you think will benefit places like the middle east. (I’d gladly kill any number of people if it meant the separation of church and state there). But also ALL of these things can’t be done buy one random guy on the internet. So if you can’t rally a bunch of people why bother. There’s no point in no longer drinking coke because they ruined the lives of some people in Africa, because one guy no longer drinking coke doesn’t mean anything. You would need thousands of people protesting before they gave a fuck.

Another cop out. You say nothing will change when people support the corrupt bullshit but you’re one of the people supporting the corrupt bullshit. Truth is, you don’t want to sacrifice your coke in the potential of it helping. It’s happened before. People stopped going to Walmart because of how notorious they are with not paying their workers a living wage, not providing benefits, over working them, etc. They took a huge hit and raised the wages they pay employees and even released a commercial to advertise it.

The problem is capitalism in it’s current state is run by greed and selfishness and we continue to let it get worse out of greed and selfishness. The fix? I don’t know. Communism is incompatible when the rest of the world is run on capital. Any government system works perfectly until you add the self interests of individuals into it. Maybe we’re doomed.

So no, I would not scream at Krunk for not doing anything, what the hell can she do?

I didn’t yell at Krunk, the conversation was actually directed at OMD. I’m not yelling at him either, just pointing out how we are all kind of evil. I don’t do shit about it. I take advantage. I’m also not going to lie to make myself feel better.

Besides vote for people who might help internationally. And for a great many people (including her I’m guessing) they would rather help their own country than others, that doesn’t make them a bad person. It is what it is.

There’s literally people starving to death who’s lives could have been saved if she didn’t spend money to go to the gathering. Our country doesn’t need help, it’s doing fine. Except for the starving kids, drug addicts, mass shooters, victims of a militarized police and people with drinking water that makes them sick. Huh, makes me really wonder if we are a first world nation or not. Either way, I doubt she does much to even help them. I think the only one that makes that kind of effort is Noah and Nyro.

the world is fucking awful, (which was the purpose of linking that, I’m aware it doesn’t seem fully relevant, lot about pollution, but its about needing to change the world in general) but I don’t think hating the people who get the best of it is a good solution.

I’m not hating. I don’t hate myself.

(also I know people will assume I am because I linked that video, but no, I’m not a socialist, at least for the most part)  

There’s nothing wrong with being a socialist. Everybody here in the US wants at least a moderate amount of socialism just a lot of them either don’t realize it’s socialism or they are too scared to call it socialism. Strange how the people who benefit the most in our corrupt form of capitalism are the ones that try to paint socialism as the boogie man, right? That’s why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Though, I wouldn’t say pure socialism is a good idea either.

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Noah Fence said

“Feminists” is a pretty broad term but instead of writing it off as made up, you should look at the research. 

Most people who call themselves feminists, like most people who call themselves anything, are reactionary and operating on hearsay but if you look at academic research from feminist scholars a lot of what they are arguing makes sense. 

Like “toxic masculinity” isn’t about competition but about the unhealthy ways that our society expects men to deal with competition like working 80 hours a week. Or how men often don’t have healthy outlets for their aggression so they post rants on the internet. Or how the right wing propaganda machine was able to convince guys that their lack of sex appeal was because they were too nice. 

Or, for a more personal example, how when I was in an abusive relationship the men in my life first made fun of me,  then added on to the abuse, and then ultimately abandoned me.

It was feminists who helped me find a place to live, who listened to what was going on and helped me recognize the cycles of abuse, and most importantly helped me begin rebuilding my life. 

They literally saved my life.   

Funny how the men’s rights people always dismiss toxic masculinity while in the same breath try to talk about how men don’t get the same treatment when women rape or beat them. Imbeciles.

I always make the joke “Yeah, we don’t even respect women enough to consider them rapists! This is a patriarchy!”

I’ll go a step further and say that a lot of mass shootings are caused by toxic masculinity.

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Without these things, ESPECIALLY competitiveness humans would be extinct, 

Not true. It’s actually our empathy, compassion and sense of community that keeps us alive.

Now, I don’t know if you’ve had a job yet, but you’ll learn eventually.

 

As somebody who’s working class I can verify that the most important thing to keeping everything running smoothly is communication. Understanding, listening, talking and getting everybody on the same page.

One of the biggest problems is the supervisor position. 9 times out of 10 you don’t need a supervisor. It’s an unneeded power dynamic that people exploit. Not only that, but the competition for the higher pay results in shade, resentment and politics that interrupt good communication.

I’ve turned down supervisor positions and the raises that come with them over this belief. I’m very good at learning my job and improving it’s productivity with out the power dynamic.

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You say nothing will change when people support the corrupt bullshit but you’re one of the people supporting the corrupt bullshit. Truth is, you don’t want to sacrifice your coke in the potential of it helping. It’s happened before. People stopped going to Walmart because of how notorious they are with not paying their workers a living wage, not providing benefits, over working them, etc. They took a huge hit and raised the wages they pay employees and even released a commercial to advertise it.

That took a shit ton of people to boycott, but fucking nobody knows about the coke thing. I know, and said, that if a lot of people boycott they’ll change their ways, and I know the whole sang that 1 million starts with 1, but it just isn’t gonna happen, unless a public figure wants to say something about it, but as I said, nobody fucking knows about it. Meanwhile there are a shit ton of walmart employees who can vocalize about their problems, a bunch of guys in africa who can’t even get water are not going to be able to make a lot of noise, and the news organizations who reported on this weren’t heard when it happened. 
Also, I drink dr. pepper, not coke. 

Noah Fence said

“Feminists” is a pretty broad term but instead of writing it off as made up, you should look at the research. 

Most people who call themselves feminists, like most people who call themselves anything, are reactionary and operating on hearsay but if you look at academic research from feminist scholars a lot of what they are arguing makes sense. 

Like “toxic masculinity” isn’t about competition but about the unhealthy ways that our society expects men to deal with competition like working 80 hours a week. Or how men often don’t have healthy outlets for their aggression so they post rants on the internet. Or how the right wing propaganda machine was able to convince guys that their lack of sex appeal was because they were too nice. 

Or, for a more personal example, how when I was in an abusive relationship the men in my life first made fun of me,  then added on to the abuse, and then ultimately abandoned me.

It was feminists who helped me find a place to live, who listened to what was going on and helped me recognize the cycles of abuse, and most importantly helped me begin rebuilding my life. 

They literally saved my life.   

I consider toxic masculinity a problem, but I said the thing we should focus on is letting people know that they are allowed to not be strictly masculine. We agree on this, I feel that, if you live in a conservative area specifically, men are pressured to not show their feelings and be assholes and such. But shaming people like using “dude bro” as an insult, literally using to words meaning man as an insult, which I have heard countless times upon countless times, is not helping. In fucking fact, it makes the problem a million times worse. Anyone who enjoys being masculine will often feel they have to side with toxic people because the alternative will try to change them, and shame them if they refuse. Don’t act like this doesn’t happen. 

But anyways, as aforementioned, the root of the problem with toxic masculinity, is men feeling like they don’t have a choice, feeling like the HAVE to be masculine, but now, with a lot of people, its become reversed, masculine men are now being considered fucking evil even if they’ve done nothing wrong. If somebody talks like a bunch of Pantera lyrics, and at the same time they feel mentally healthy, you shouldn’t come at them with a fucking essay about how they should open up more and show their feelings, what if they don’t fucking want to. Not everyone is doing it out of what they feel is obligation. Some people just are the masculine type, and if people think he’s better than other people, that’s because he very well might be, put together, strong, and gets shit done. But this guy will be shamed to hell unless he wears a fucking “feminism is badass” shirt. 

I already said this, but people have taken a legitimate problem, men feeling like they have to be masculine, but instead of saying, “hey, its okay to not be fucking Rambo, and if you are Rambo, its also okay to not be Rambo 24/7” but instead of saying that, they say “fuck people who act like Rambo, you’re toxic” they’ve taken something important, and instead of helping, they’ve decided to use it as fuel to make men look bad, and use it as proof of a “patriarchy”. 

And as for the nice guy thing 9/10 times when you call somebody a “nice guy” your referring to somebody who thinks because they treat women with respect they deserve sex. I’m sure some conservative asshole fits what your saying, but I live in a red state and I have only heard that from my friend’s grandfathers. 

The men making fun of you thing is fucked up. And I’m glad you found people who supported you. But also remember, there are chicks, some very famous, that have literal mugs that say “male tears” on them. How do you think that feels to a guy whose insecure about their masculinity. I mean like wow, that’s a fantastic way to make them never open up about their feelings ever. What you met were the good people who call themselves feminists, which also describes a good half of the people I socialize with outside of school. But its hard to ignore the bad eggs. The ones that pissed me off so much when I was younger that I didn’t want to come out as trans for fear of being lumped in with them. The ones that say that said I needed “less guys like that” in my life when I told them about some of my old friends. Some of the ones that when I made a new account under my current name on instagram, followed it immediately. Toxic masculinity is a legitimate issue, but it is often being represented by a bunch of people who are just angry at their fucking parents for pressuring them to be manly, or are angry at the football players that bullied them in highschool. A chick with a fucking “male tears” mug, has zero right to complain about anything. And, like it or not, these are some of the largest faces in feminism. These are what a lot of people are signing off on when they call themselves feminists. I’ve known a shit ton of people with “down with cis” as a patch on their jacket. And they treat masculine guys with the same sensitivity that you treat a dog that just bit your little sister, only in this case, they very well may have done jack shit. 

That’s actually why I put feminist in air quotes, because I know so many self identifying feminists that don’t fit this description of hypocrisy and contradiction. But at the exact same time I’ve known plenty of “Don’t touch my girl, I will knock your teeth out, I’ll stop working when the work is fucking done, don’t tell me how to live my life, I don’t need a shoulder to cry on.” kind of dudes that aren’t the “toxic” people their expected to be.

Did you know that chocolate milk, yes, and why?

Please answer in a complete sentence.

 

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said
Without these things, ESPECIALLY competitiveness humans would be extinct, 

Not true. It’s actually our empathy, compassion and sense of community that keeps us alive.

Now, I don’t know if you’ve had a job yet, but you’ll learn eventually.

 

As somebody who’s working class I can verify that the most important thing to keeping everything running smoothly is communication. Understanding, listening, talking and getting everybody on the same page.

One of the biggest problems is the supervisor position. 9 times out of 10 you don’t need a supervisor. It’s an unneeded power dynamic that people exploit. Not only that, but the competition for the higher pay results in shade, resentment and politics that interrupt good communication.

I’ve turned down supervisor positions and the raises that come with them over this belief. I’m very good at learning my job and improving it’s productivity with out the power dynamic.  

Okay, empathy is a HUGE deal, but its not everything. 

Maybe I was exaggerating when I said we’d be dead, perhaps we could survive on empathy and teamwork alone, but we can’t advance without competition, at least not at the current rate. 

There was zero empathy in something like the space race, and that created some of the greatest new technology of the era. 

There’s no empathy in the race for the best phone, or the best computer, and making the best computer, which has been an absurdly competitive field since its inception, has lead to more productivity in tons of fields. 

To use a more light hearted example. We wouldn’t get something like Sonic 3 (one of the best platformers of all time) if not for the fact that Sega was scared of losing to Nintendo. That’s a lot of people’s favorite games from their childhood, and without that competition we wouldn’t have gotten it. Sonic is actually a great example, because now that they are no longer independent, and are making games on other people’s consoles, they stopped trying. Putting out a lot of mediocre stuff, praying brand recognition will get them purchases because they don’t have to fight anymore. And there’s the ticket. They don’t have to fight anymore. 

If we had a system of zero competition, like communism, we wouldn’t have smart phones, or super computers, why bother making it when I get the same pay making garbage. Without competition there is no drive, there is no reason to fight. You want people to fight for their positions, you want people to fight for making a new and better world because if they don’t fight they don’t need to try.

And sure, if humanity had evolved to a state of pure, unrivaled, unstoppable empathy, maybe great minds would try their hardest to make the world better. But that’s not reality, we come from a background of “kill the food first or don’t fucking eat, pull your own weight, don’t be useless or die” and that’s whats worked, and that’s what will continue to work. Nobody will break their back, slaving with the effort of a monster if they don’t have somebody else who their afraid is doing the same thing.

Did you know that chocolate milk, yes, and why?

Please answer in a complete sentence.

 

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King Lucem Ferre said

Funny how the men’s rights people always dismiss toxic masculinity while in the same breath try to talk about how men don’t get the same treatment when women rape or beat them. Imbeciles.

I always make the joke “Yeah, we don’t even respect women enough to consider them rapists! This is a patriarchy!”

I’ll go a step further and say that a lot of mass shootings are caused by toxic masculinity.  

Also men are more likely to commit suicide but we don’t talk about why

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

You say nothing will change when people support the corrupt bullshit but you’re one of the people supporting the corrupt bullshit. Truth is, you don’t want to sacrifice your coke in the potential of it helping. It’s happened before. People stopped going to Walmart because of how notorious they are with not paying their workers a living wage, not providing benefits, over working them, etc. They took a huge hit and raised the wages they pay employees and even released a commercial to advertise it.

That took a shit ton of people to boycott, but fucking nobody knows about the coke thing. I know, and said, that if a lot of people boycott they’ll change their ways, and I know the whole sang that 1 million starts with 1, but it just isn’t gonna happen, unless a public figure wants to say something about it, but as I said, nobody fucking knows about it. Meanwhile there are a shit ton of walmart employees who can vocalize about their problems, a bunch of guys in africa who can’t even get water are not going to be able to make a lot of noise, and the news organizations who reported on this weren’t heard when it happened. 
Also, I drink dr. pepper, not coke. 

I consider toxic masculinity a problem, but I said the thing we should focus on is letting people know that they are allowed to not be strictly masculine. We agree on this, I feel that, if you live in a conservative area specifically, men are pressured to not show their feelings and be assholes and such. But shaming people like using “dude bro” as an insult, literally using to words meaning man as an insult, which I have heard countless times upon countless times, is not helping. In fucking fact, it makes the problem a million times worse. Anyone who enjoys being masculine will often feel they have to side with toxic people because the alternative will try to change them, and shame them if they refuse. Don’t act like this doesn’t happen. 

But anyways, as aforementioned, the root of the problem with toxic masculinity, is men feeling like they don’t have a choice, feeling like the HAVE to be masculine, but now, with a lot of people, its become reversed, masculine men are now being considered fucking evil even if they’ve done nothing wrong. If somebody talks like a bunch of Pantera lyrics, and at the same time they feel mentally healthy, you shouldn’t come at them with a fucking essay about how they should open up more and show their feelings, what if they don’t fucking want to. Not everyone is doing it out of what they feel is obligation. Some people just are the masculine type, and if people think he’s better than other people, that’s because he very well might be, put together, strong, and gets shit done. But this guy will be shamed to hell unless he wears a fucking “feminism is badass” shirt. 

I already said this, but people have taken a legitimate problem, men feeling like they have to be masculine, but instead of saying, “hey, its okay to not be fucking Rambo, and if you are Rambo, its also okay to not be Rambo 24/7” but instead of saying that, they say “fuck people who act like Rambo, you’re toxic” they’ve taken something important, and instead of helping, they’ve decided to use it as fuel to make men look bad, and use it as proof of a “patriarchy”. 

And as for the nice guy thing 9/10 times when you call somebody a “nice guy” your referring to somebody who thinks because they treat women with respect they deserve sex. I’m sure some conservative asshole fits what your saying, but I live in a red state and I have only heard that from my friend’s grandfathers. 

The men making fun of you thing is fucked up. And I’m glad you found people who supported you. But also remember, there are chicks, some very famous, that have literal mugs that say “male tears” on them. How do you think that feels to a guy whose insecure about their masculinity. I mean like wow, that’s a fantastic way to make them never open up about their feelings ever. What you met were the good people who call themselves feminists, which also describes a good half of the people I socialize with outside of school. But its hard to ignore the bad eggs. The ones that pissed me off so much when I was younger that I didn’t want to come out as trans for fear of being lumped in with them. The ones that say that said I needed “less guys like that” in my life when I told them about some of my old friends. Some of the ones that when I made a new account under my current name on instagram, followed it immediately. Toxic masculinity is a legitimate issue, but it is often being represented by a bunch of people who are just angry at their fucking parents for pressuring them to be manly, or are angry at the football players that bullied them in highschool. A chick with a fucking “male tears” mug, has zero right to complain about anything. And, like it or not, these are some of the largest faces in feminism. These are what a lot of people are signing off on when they call themselves feminists. I’ve known a shit ton of people with “down with cis” as a patch on their jacket. And they treat masculine guys with the same sensitivity that you treat a dog that just bit your little sister, only in this case, they very well may have done jack shit. 

That’s actually why I put feminist in air quotes, because I know so many self identifying feminists that don’t fit this description of hypocrisy and contradiction. But at the exact same time I’ve known plenty of “Don’t touch my girl, I will knock your teeth out, I’ll stop working when the work is fucking done, don’t tell me how to live my life, I don’t need a shoulder to cry on.” kind of dudes that aren’t the “toxic” people their expected to be.  

Im not going to go too much into your post because i need to get to bed but 

A.) I spend most of my time on a college campus and Nice Guy / incel BS is everywhere. 

B.) I think it’s great when masculine people are masculine and healthy. I don’t think anybody would be against that. 

C.) Although the “male tears” is a joke about upsetting sexist men, you’re right that it could harm other people’s feelings. The people you’re talking about tho are bloggers and YouTube personalities. While some of them may have taken gender studies courses most of them aren’t researchers. The headline that krunk posted was a reactionary response to an abbreviation of actual research. 

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

Okay, empathy is a HUGE deal, but its not everything. 

Maybe I was exaggerating when I said we’d be dead, perhaps we could survive on empathy and teamwork alone, but we can’t advance without competition, at least not at the current rate. 

It can.

There was zero empathy in something like the space race, and that created some of the greatest new technology of the era. 

Not true at all. The actual scientists that headed it didn’t care about winning a race. They only cared about furthering human discovery. The competition came from governments that didn’t care about anything but winning. And now that it’s done they don’t fund it anymore and the competition of capital is leaving us with a dying planet because the winners are the ones that support corrupt corporations whom destroy.

There’s no empathy in the race for the best phone, or the best computer, and making the best computer, which has been an absurdly competitive field since its inception, has lead to more productivity in tons of fields. 

The competition over capital actually leaves us with faulty technology planned to break so we buy more. If there wasn’t a competition that wouldn’t happen. Tesla is a huge part of why our technology is so advanced today and he innovated out of compassion. Edison was driven by competition which lead to underhanded methods to take control of the market. Where the visionary of modern electrical systems wanted it to be free, the competitive one forced us to pay him for it. History is filled with the winners of competition taking advantage, stealing and falsely taking credit for innovations out of the pursuit of capital.

To use a more light hearted example. We wouldn’t get something like Sonic 3 (one of the best platformers of all time) if not for the fact that Sega was scared of losing to Nintendo. That’s a lot of people’s favorite games from their childhood, and without that competition we wouldn’t have gotten it. Sonic is actually a great example, because now that they are no longer independent, and are making games on other people’s consoles, they stopped trying. Putting out a lot of mediocre stuff, praying brand recognition will get them purchases because they don’t have to fight anymore. And there’s the ticket. They don’t have to fight anymore. 

If anything the lack of competition would produce better quality entertainment because the people in those fields would be producing out of passion for their skill rather than pushing sub-par material out just to compete. So with every sonic 3 we get another COD copy and paste game filled with bugs, expensive DLC that makes the game feel incomplete with out it and micro transactions.

Look at music. Every once in a while you get a passionate artist who actually cares about art to create something unique, wonderful and profound. Then you get tons of imitators that water down the original vision out of competition.

If we had a system of zero competition, like communism, we wouldn’t have smart phones, or super computers, why bother making it when I get the same pay making garbage. Without competition there is no drive, there is no reason to fight. You want people to fight for their positions, you want people to fight for making a new and better world because if they don’t fight they don’t need to try.

Let me reiterate Tesla, who wanted everything he invented to be free. He did it out of passion, not competition or greed.

And sure, if humanity had evolved to a state of pure, unrivaled, unstoppable empathy, maybe great minds would try their hardest to make the world better. But that’s not reality, we come from a background of “kill the food first or don’t fucking eat, pull your own weight, don’t be useless or die” and that’s whats worked, and that’s what will continue to work. Nobody will break their back, slaving with the effort of a monster if they don’t have somebody else who their afraid is doing the same thing.  

Speaking in absolutes is dumb.

Our sense of community has driven us to much farther than the games of out doing each other. We’re not primitive anymore. We share skills to help each other. Think, how much faster could we make it to the moon if we worked together with Russia? How much further would scientific discovery be if they didn’t have to compete for funding?

You don’t have an actual scope of what that’s like because you’ve never seen a world driven by cooperation rather than competition. All you’ve ever known is the struggle over who gets the job, who gets the raise, who gets the promotion or who gets to eat. This creators more liars than innovators. People aren’t friendly, they don’t see it as inspiring each other. They throw each other under the bus to win. Of course the people that benefit from this system are going to tell you that competition is what has brought us innovation. It’s a completely right wing talking point. Not true, though. Extremely cherry picked. Tons of examples of it hindering growth.

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Innovation through competition isn’t a right wing talking point. Its common sense.

If you want to see history where there isnt competition look at soviet russia or china. Everyone just starves and gets murdered.

We need both cooperation and competition. They arent mutually exclusive. Well take the space race for example. Americans worked in cooperation with each other toward a common goal of reaching space before Russia.

Any sport is the same. You have hierchies within the league of the best team. Then you have one within the team. All teams have a leader. You just have to have someone to look to in clutch moments. You can compete within the team to become the leader, and at the same time cooperate to beat other teams. It aint so cut and dry but competition is always a good thing. If teams cooperated to help the other team win then the game loses it’s point. Not only that, but nobody ever improves because there isnt a need to

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Donald_Trump said
the best feminists work at subway…

Bet Moonlite BunnyRanch has some legends.

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Donald_Trump said
the best feminists work at subway that way they have to make you a sandwich the exact way you want it or they can get fired  

You have a dark, twisted sense of humor about you man.

Its about on Par with OMD’s.

Highly offensive…… But, Highly funny.

Lemme add to it…

The almighty 

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Dear Faygoluvers,

Please stop this.

You are looping around the tether pole and losing your minds.

Don’t talk to THEM. Talk to US. Stop talking TO them, and start talking to US.

 

Please know, that you are not alone in your aggravation. You do not need to create more evidence of the problem we all know.

It will not get solved by you but by us. (but by us… that sounds funny… say it…)

#(puke)standalonecomplex

 

There are more of us that agree with you than there are those telling us we’re wrong.

“What is a juggalo?” Fucked if I know… but I know what a Juggalo ain’t!

 

To quote some black lady I saw on tv, about atheists in church…

“You aren’t gonna come into God’s House and say that He doesn’t live there…!”

 

Dear Faygoluvers:

 

OR

 

Faygoluvers

Be the change you want to see (an all that shit)…

 

Luck, Love & Lollipops

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