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Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
February 8, 2019
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I’m considering an art piece where I utilize Maslow’s hierarchy of needs but I’m looking for a broad range of thoughts on the subject to consider before committing to the plan.

If you’re unfamiliar, the essential premise (dumbed down a lot, but maybe mensa brains can help elaborate) my understanding is that one can’t move up the hierarchy without first meeting the lower needs. So things like eating, and drinking water come before being physically safe, etc. 

thoughts? Are there any layers you would add or anything you think doesn’t belong?

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February 8, 2019
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I can’t speak for all but can confirm for myself that I was stuck just under love and belonging for years. 
Physically I was okay, as far as safety I was a shield for myself an others, but that was it, It’s all I could be. 

It wasn’t until this year, forcing myself to branch out, meet new people, try new things that I’ve finally started to heal. 
I can’t lie, Even the short time I’ve been here has helped me reconnect with a sense of belonging. Others helping with the love, even if it’s fictional and short lived, it’s still overall therapeutic and has helped me to reach a point where I actually give a shit about myself and want to become better both mentally and physically. 

As far as adding or subtracting, I’d say it’s accurate as it is, but those are just my thoughts on the subject. 

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David_Black said
I can’t speak for all but can confirm for myself that I was stuck just under love and belonging for years. 
Physically I was okay, as far as safety I was a shield for myself an others, but that was it, It’s all I could be. 
It wasn’t until this year, forcing myself to branch out, meet new people, try new things that I’ve finally started to heal. 
I can’t lie, Even the short time I’ve been here has helped me reconnect with a sense of belonging. Others helping with the love, even if it’s fictional and short lived, it’s still overall therapeutic and has helped me to reach a point where I actually give a shit about myself and want to become better both mentally and physically. 
As far as adding or subtracting, I’d say it’s accurate as it is, but those are just my thoughts on the subject.   

Glad to hear that you’re feeling better about yourself and moving up the hierarchy. Your thoughts helped me out. Thank you.

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February 9, 2019
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I suggest discarding Maslow’s hierarchy (which my Mensa brain studied decades ago) for some real art of life (e.g. the Caveman Diet coupled with Creek Stewart’s survival show.) Hope ur next artistic venture isn’t weaving more Antifa banners from blue tranny pubic hair, but ur life ur rules, champ. Art = “The crazy thing about mother nature is she doesn’t give a crap whether u live or u die… but this week I do.” Creek Stewart

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February 9, 2019
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Cool thanks for your thoughtful insight obsession over my weight. 

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February 9, 2019
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Sometimes it feels like some powerful force on this planet is keeping us at the Red and Orange areas for our most concern. Keeping us from the actualization of Love. Then the others. 

Imagine how far this species could advance if we were able to cover about all of the bottom two needs. 

That’s my problem with “conservative thought”. You are living in an era that never really existed, first of all, but you are intent on keeping this endangered species confined to this beautiful planet. We need to learn how to combat meteors, solar flares, etc… and colonize other planets as soon as we can. It’s that simple, but these SCUM humans are intent on living in some fabricated 1950’s white nuclear family fantasy. I consider them my enemy.

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I’m not sure if a species that poses a threat to the existence of 99% of the other species on the planet can really be considered endangered.

But we do share a common enemy in the form of the completely delusional. 

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David_Black said
I’m not sure if a species that poses a threat to the existence of 99% of the other species on the planet can really be considered endangered.
But we do share a common enemy in the form of the completely delusional.   

Of course we are the dominant destructor species, but that in itself raises the threat of self-immolation.

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February 10, 2019
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BOOOOO, Maslow. Boooo

And u self-important “dominant” motherfuckers are crazy. Talk to the Meteorite Impact Craters, bitch. Here’s Maslow’s salespitch in 2019:

“…We value you, and we value your naiveté and inconsistency… Only hate can defeat Caucasians… That’s why we strive to bring you only the BEST in ideological nonsense… Safe spaces, intersectional feminism, blasphemy laws, body positivity, three hundred genders…”

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Old Mr Dangerous said

Of course we are the dominant destructor species, but that in itself raises the threat of self-immolation.  

Frankly I await human extinction with a smile. I want the planet to have a chance, I want nature to thrive and I see humanity as a fucking virus that needs to be treated as such.
I’ve given up on most of humanity. 
I wish no ill will on anyone, If I could I would protect everyone from every horrible thing that could and does happen….but I can’t. It’s impossible. On average two people die every second. Right now somewhere a little girl or boy is being raped for the first time, Right now someone is dying cold and alone, An old person is being abused, someone is drowning, burning, being beaten to death, kidnapped, tortured, being sold for heroin, shot, stabbed, electrocuted. If you can imagine it, within the boundaries of known reality, it’s happening and there’s not a fucking thing you can do to stop it. 

That is why my mind is broken, That is why monks self immolate.

You on the other hand seem to still see the potential good in humanity and feel it worth saving. This is a good thing. The world needs people like you. 

“Why have a civilization if we are no longer interested in being civilized?”
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February 10, 2019
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David_Black said

Frankly I await human extinction with a smile. I want the planet to have a chance, I want nature to thrive and I see humanity as a fucking virus that needs to be treated as such.
I’ve given up on most of humanity. 
I wish no ill will on anyone, If I could I would protect everyone from every horrible thing that could and does happen….but I can’t. It’s impossible. On average two people die every second. Right now somewhere a little girl or boy is being raped for the first time, Right now someone is dying cold and alone, An old person is being abused, someone is drowning, burning, being beaten to death, kidnapped, tortured, being sold for heroin, shot, stabbed, electrocuted. If you can imagine it, within the boundaries of known reality, it’s happening and there’s not a fucking thing you can do to stop it. 
That is why my mind is broken, That is why monks self immolate.

You on the other hand seem to still see the potential good in humanity and feel it worth saving. This is a good thing. The world needs people like you. 

“Why have a civilization if we are no longer interested in being civilized?”
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Well, to divulge further, I actually share your beliefs that humans are a form of cancer to the planet. That’s just a majority problem, though. If 99% of these things are the problem, then we stand a very small chance of preserving our planet and travelling the universe.

I dig Neil De Grasse Tyson, but I disagree with his opinion that we dont need to terraform other planets. He says we need to focus on preserving Earth. I feel that we should do both. We need to explore the universe and colonize uninhabited planets to accomplish this. If we arent striving to find purpose, adventure or something else completely unexplainable, then what’s the point? 

There are plans being done to learn how to combat meteors. The Earth will last billions of years, but eventually we so have to leave. The sun will eventually eat us as it expands. It is just fact. 

So, preservation and protection of Earth and the quest for inhabiting other planets should be our main focus. People like Krunk just want to eat fast food, feed capitalism at the cost of the environment and continue empowering their own race because they are aware that they only live once and want to get everything for themselves at the cost of the next generations. I loathe any kind of cultural self-importance nowadays. Fuck your culture. We are all one species. Stop saying: I am a Jew. I am a black. I am a military woman. I am a transgendered monk. I am from Norweigian blood. I am a Freemason. I am a thug. I am the President. I am a Democrat. I am a nun. None of that bullshit defines you as a person fully. It is just a facet of your existence. This planet should be all of our territory. You never really own anything. Fuck countries. Fuck sports teams. Fuck town committees. Fuck Socialists. Fuck Mensa. Fuck Juggalos. Fuck whitey. Fuck albinos. Fuck polar bears. Fuck leaves. Fuck weed. Fuck DNA. LOL. Fuck LOL. Fuck fuck. Fuck the alphabet. Either form a unified conscious and be progressive or expect to have your organs harvested for future-minded motherfuckers. 

This is not directed at you directly, homie. Just letting out some rambling Sunday thoughts and such.

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Old Mr Dangerous said

This is not directed at you directly, homie. Just letting out some rambling Sunday thoughts and such.  

No worries, I’m literally just sitting here nodding in agreement.
These thoughts seem familiar somehow…….
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David_Black said

No worries, I’m literally just sitting here nodding in agreement.
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Not sure what that image is lol.

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Big Boss, Venom Snake. Leader of the Diamond Dogs.
Very much a proponent of protecting people whenever possible and creating a world without boarders, believing that our differences are trivial and everyone has the potential for positive change. 

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You guys are having a great convo, thank you. These are some fantastic thoughts.

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Well, to divulge further, I actually share your beliefs that humans are a form of cancer to the planet. That’s just a majority problem, though. If 99% of these things are the problem, then we stand a very small chance of preserving our planet and travelling the universe.

I dig Neil De Grasse Tyson, but I disagree with his opinion that we dont need to terraform other planets. He says we need to focus on preserving Earth. I feel that we should do both. We need to explore the universe and colonize uninhabited planets to accomplish this. If we arent striving to find purpose, adventure or something else completely unexplainable, then what’s the point? 

There are plans being done to learn how to combat meteors. The Earth will last billions of years, but eventually we so have to leave. The sun will eventually eat us as it expands. It is just fact. 

Have I yet proselytized about my favorite book to you? The first book is called Parable of the Sower, the second Parable of the Talents. They are the story of a young woman with hyper empathy surviving in a post apocalyptic world. It’s grim, and kind of hard to read (it gave a friend of mine a panic attack), but it’s really thoughtful. The protagonist is not only surviving in this near future desolation but also discovering / creating a new religion. Earthseed. The basic premise is that change is the only persistent, all powerful force that exists in the universe. She calls it God but she doesn’t mean in it a way that implies sentience or divinity. 

I bring it up because there’s a bit about how humans are the first species that we know of to be aware of it’s own evolution and we could manipulate our evolution through choices made. Not in a eugenics way. But in by seeking out other worlds to live on way. And by developing technology with this long term goal in mind. 

The book(s) has a strong individualistic anti-conformity bent, but also focuses on radical political activism. It examines racism, classism, and other bigotries, and can be a little preachy if you take her religion as too literal (the author wrote it about beliefs she would have had in this environment, not actual beliefs she has). So if you read it/them don’t take the text too literal.

(another fascinating fact, IMO, is that it was written in the 90s but the badguy president in the second book used the campaign slogan Make America Great Again, and in her notebooks she called him President Hitler. lol).

I think Mary read it, she can probably tell you if my description does it justice. 

So, preservation and protection of Earth and the quest for inhabiting other planets should be our main focus. People like Krunk just want to eat fast food, feed capitalism at the cost of the environment and continue empowering their own race because they are aware that they only live once and want to get everything for themselves at the cost of the next generations. I loathe any kind of cultural self-importance nowadays. Fuck your culture. We are all one species. Stop saying: I am a Jew. I am a black. I am a military woman. I am a transgendered monk. I am from Norweigian blood. I am a Freemason. I am a thug. I am the President. I am a Democrat. I am a nun. None of that bullshit defines you as a person fully. It is just a facet of your existence. This planet should be all of our territory. You never really own anything. Fuck countries. Fuck sports teams. Fuck town committees. Fuck Socialists. Fuck Mensa. Fuck Juggalos. Fuck whitey. Fuck albinos. Fuck polar bears. Fuck leaves. Fuck weed. Fuck DNA. LOL. Fuck LOL. Fuck fuck. Fuck the alphabet. Either form a unified conscious and be progressive or expect to have your organs harvested for future-minded motherfuckers. 

This is not directed at you directly, homie. Just letting out some rambling Sunday thoughts and such.  

I can’t fuck with this stuff tho. IMO it’s our differences that make us better. Knowing and loving and understanding the experiences of transgender people, or people in the military, or black people or jewish people, or who ever, makes us better. While it’s true that none of the fragments of our identities and experiences define us completely, ignoring the nuances of personal experiences does a huge disservice to our communities (macro and micro).

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krunkazphuk said
BOOOOO, Maslow. Boooo

What exactly is your problem with the theory? All you do is yammer on nonsensical like so it’s hard to follow. For instance, 

Here’s Maslow’s salespitch in 2019:

“…We value you, and we value your naiveté and inconsistency… Only hate can defeat Caucasians… That’s why we strive to bring you only the BEST in ideological nonsense… Safe spaces, intersectional feminism, blasphemy laws, body positivity, three hundred genders…”

Maslow has nothing to do with your white supremacist fears of… open discourse / true free speech (safe spaces, intersectional feminism) or protecting religious minorities (blasphemy laws), or people breaking out of hierarchical prescriptive gender roles (body positivity and 300 genders).

I know the world is a scary place when you don’t know where you fit in it, but the maslow hierarchy isn’t about any of that. Unless you know something I don’t about a pretty basic theory about how individuals prioritize meeting their own needs. I legit don’t get how you get from 

“People prioritize their needs” to “OMG GENDERS FREE SPEECH FEMINISM”

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I don’t like this thingy (which I first saw on a youtube show) because there are SO MANY exceptions, there are so many times when somebody has something above one of the others. Specifically the top 2, I mean, Kurt Cobain felt loved (just read his suicide note), but he sure as hell wasn’t safe. I knew a guy who lived most of his life running from people and was trying to make it as a rapper and he was fucking certain he was gonna make it, he had self actualization, and he wasn’t fucking safe at all, maybe not even really loved or belonged anywhere.

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My take has always been that Maslow is too basic and completely wrong based on his limited ability to expand his own mind and thoughts. It assumes that all people are the same psychologically and his pool of references were all of a certain type of person. Not the same profession but they did fit his specific model. Instead of him trying to find a model that fit all or most people, he found people for reference that fit his model.

I can see the bottom rung being a need. Most would agree on that. That was his hook. Show something that most agree on as the premise then point in a direction that most would like to see. It causes people to try to fit themselves into the model so they can self refer eventually as the stated goal.

The second rung is not necessarily a need but a condition with which the bottom rung is consistently met. Yes, for some (the basic people), the second rung is advancement but only to people who fit the mold that Maslow reviewed. To others, the second rung is but only one of the means to ensure the first and not a necessary subsequent step from the first.

The third rung is a complete non-necessity. Some think it is but in reality no one really needs “love / belonging”. In a societal or collective structure, it is advantageous to belong in such structure (again to ensure the first rung needs or to make it easier to enact the second rung for first rung needs), but not necessary. You don’t have to have / give / receive love to self-actualize. Maslow’s views of what a self-actualized person is (and he referred mainly to leaders) may require that rung for his definition but it is not an inclusive definition that encompasses all physiological types, only his limited and narrow minded view of the world. Maslow’s narrow-mindedness is a subject of many of Maslow’s critics (I being one of them) not only in his hierarchy of needs but in most of his works. He just didn’t have a very open mind and many of his most prominent supporters and followers have the same mental traits.

The forth, esteem, is where Maslow’s true colors show. It is no longer “self” actualization as his goal. This is the bait and switch. This is were we see his collectivistic ideals revealed. This is societal esteem. It breaks his own mold but if you have bought into the previous assumptions, then you accept his redefinition and continue on the path .

While not evident on its onset, the structure of his idea is “social”, “communal”, and “collective”. Not individualistic. It is the “socialistic”, “communistic”, and “collectivistic” that lead to the elements that @krunkazphuk described. She just jumped straight to the meat of the issues. Theses critiques are not new and have been around since universities started the leftist push in the 1950s and 1960s. Maslow fit perfectly within it. 

Not everything in this world is a battle between right and left but in this case, Maslow’s model was a preliminary step to set education of people along a leftist ideal. Once his ideas are accepted, it becomes easier to accept more radical ideas and eventually leading to acceptance ideas of the likes of Alisnky and such.

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Shit like this is why SJWs are called “Snowflakes“, Rob. Maybe take your self-hatred & snarky Western condescension to Libya and get some new footage of present-day, open-air, human slave markets to include in your next artistic masterpiece? Or stick a microphone in the trafficked humans’ faces while asking them questions like “Where do you see yourself on Maslow’s hierarchy?” and “Do you feel your core emotional needs are being met?” True esteem’s not for sale, but I do love watching the infomercials sometimes to take the edge off. And in response to your standard question of me whenever I dare to honestly respond to your cries for help (“So what are YOU doing to improve things?”) I’m quite certain the answer is “MORE THAN YOUR BITCH ASS CAN IMAGINE.”

See? Esteem; and I made it all by myself.

So, in conclusion, Maslow was a fag.

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Or stick a microphone in the trafficked humans’ faces while asking them questions like “Where do you see yourself on Maslow’s hierarchy?” and “Do you feel your core emotional needs are being met?”

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idk why but I found that fucking hilarious XD

I was gonna put “that would be funny, if it weren’t so sad” from still alive, but nah, that was just funny. 

One of my friends fulfilled my fucking wet dream of shooting somebody to escape trafficking (because I’m the worst human alive), only she doesn’t share my willingness to shoot people and described it as more traumatizing than the actual thing she was escaping, which sounds like emotional denial to me, but then again she is infinitely more in control of her emotions than I am, so, maybe i should listen without question.

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