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Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
February 11, 2019
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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

idk why but I found that fucking hilarious XD

I was gonna put “that would be funny, if it weren’t so sad” from still alive, but nah, that was just funny. 

One of my friends fulfilled my fucking wet dream of shooting somebody to escape trafficking (because I’m the worst human alive), only she doesn’t share my willingness to shoot people and described it as more traumatizing than the actual thing she was escaping, which sounds like emotional denial to me, but then again she is infinitely more in control of her emotions than I am, so, maybe i should listen without question.

L I F E I S A J O K E A N D W E ‘ R E T H E P U N C H L I N E T O O B A D W E N E V E R S A W T H E S E T U P I ‘ L L B E T I T ‘ D B E H I L L A R I O U S  

It’s funny cuz it’s true.

Have u ever witnessed someone shot & killed in person? I have, & immediately fell to my knees crying for the cocksucker. Not something I’d recommend being glib about, but u gotta make ur own fun, bitch.

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February 11, 2019
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krunkazphuk said

It’s funny cuz it’s true.

Have u ever witnessed someone shot & killed in person? I have, & immediately fell to my knees crying for the cocksucker. Not something I’d recommend being glib about, but u gotta make ur own fun, bitch.

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I’ve seen a few kinda brutal things, but a shooting wasn’t one of them, I have had a gun pointed at my face, loaded, and put in my mouth, you can guess why, but yeah, that’s the closest I ever got to seeing somebody get shot. Otherwise I’ve just seen people get the shit kicked out of them (and one case of police brutality that fucked with me and gave me a phobia of police for about a year, that was embarrassing) but no, I haven’t seen somebody get shot to death. I am but a child lol. But yeah, the reason the police thing had me so shook is that the guy was mostly innocent (I mean, he was still a felon, but he was unarmed and not putting up a fight) I want with a burning passion to see people I hate die. I feel I’ve grown a thicker skin since the police thing, I wasn’t ready for it when I saw it, I thought I was unphasable, but I wasn’t, nooooooooooooow though, not sure.

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February 11, 2019
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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

(because I’m the worst human alive)

L I F E I S A J O K E A N D W E ‘ R E T H E P U N C H L I N E T O O B A D W E N E V E R S A W T H E S E T U P I ‘ L L B E T I T ‘ D B E H I L L A R I O U S  

1. You promote the worship of fairy tales and use the power of the organization backing you to get away with kid fucking? 

2.  M U D D A F U C K I N T R U T H ! 

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David_Black said

1. You promote the worship of fairy tales and use the power of the organization backing you to get away with kid fucking? 
2.  M U D D A F U C K I N T R U T H !   

oof lmao, where did you gather that? I said I want to KILL people who do kid fucking, also not sure what you mean by worship of fairy tales. 

Sorry if you thought I was that scummy lol.

Edit: I’m a dumbass it’s obvious why you thought I worship fairy tails, no, that was figurative, a joking thought experiment. 

Edit Edit: damn that actually fucking hurt to hear, you literally said I support the thing I hate most in the world. Goddamn.

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February 11, 2019
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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

David_Black said

1. You promote the worship of fairy tales and use the power of the organization backing you to get away with kid fucking? 
2.  M U D D A F U C K I N T R U T H !   

oof lmao, where did you gather that? I said I want to KILL people who do kid fucking, also not sure what you mean by worship of fairy tales. 

Sorry if you thought I was that scummy lol.

Edit: I’m a dumbass it’s obvious why you thought I worship fairy tails, no, that was figurative, a joking thought experiment.   

Hahaha, I’m saying you can’t be the worst human, You’re not a catholic priest or american cop. 
Just another juggalo, Fuck, We’re not even in the top 10 of evil yet we still get shit on constantly. 

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February 11, 2019
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ooooooooooooooh

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Hahaha, I’m saying you can’t be the worst human, You’re not a catholic priest or american cop. 
Just another juggalo, Fuck, We’re not even in the top 10 of evil yet we still get shit on constantly.   

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February 11, 2019
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Iris The Tranny juggalette said
…I want with a burning passion to see people I hate die. I feel I’ve grown a thicker skin since the police thing, I wasn’t ready for it when I saw it, I thought I was unphasable, but I wasn’t, nooooooooooooow though, not sure.  

Maybe that’s a foundation of faith for some (divine retribution, fire, brimstone, all the greats…) I’ve thought I was unshockable at different times, but now I focus on the present and am capable of being pleasantly surprised. Not for everybody, but it works for me. Silver lining is my life’s soundtrack has drastically improved since I gave Trent Reznor the shove off and had DJ Paul stick a mic in my face at his show then laugh cuz I knew the words. There’s something ANY hierarchy can use: less butthurt, better beats.

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said
ooooooooooooooh

  

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krunkazphuk said

Maybe that’s a foundation of faith for some (divine retribution, fire, brimstone, all the greats…)

Well, you almost hit the nail on the head, kind of, close, it’s like you aimed right, but I removed the nail a year ago, it all started with my former satanism, I was delusional (as ya do) and literally believed I was a demon sent from hell to eradicate evil. But that’s all gone now (it comes back without meds though), but now that I can think clearly and non-delusionally, I find myself holding on to that, justice is the most beautiful thing in the world. I don’t believe in any sort of divine retribution anymore, when you die, you are gone, nowhere, dead in the dirt, no consciousness, there is no afterlife, there is no god, and if there is, he’s either more evil than any human could even comprehend let alone reach the level of, or it takes the more deistic approach and he just sits around and does jack shit, kind of like that god that created the universe in HP lovecraft’s stories, he just showed up, took a shit, and there was a world, then he did nothing. Those are the only options, but yeah, I don’t believe in fire and brimstone, but justice can exist in the real world too, retribution is real, vengeance is justice, vengeance is good, vengeance is okay.

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Iris, You make me want to feed you acid. I think it could be therapeutic for you. 
Plus now that these fuckers have my mind on DMT jesters I’m more tempted to jump down that rabbit hole,
See if I can find a bit more light or if I really am the worthless monster my mind tells me I am. 

Law and Justice do not walk hand in hand. One seeks to control, The other seeks to right wrongs. 

People also need to stop sucking the micro penis of ‘merican “Freedom” and embrace the warm loving hug of Liberty. 

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David_Black said
Iris, You make me want to feed you acid. 

That is just plain adorable. And very Juggalo lmao. Those two rarely crossover. Thanks <3

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said

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Iris, You make me want to feed you acid. 

That is just plain adorable. And very Juggalo lmao. Those two rarely crossover. Thanks <3  

You’re welcome?  I suppose on this quest to help myself I’ve grown a desire to help others along the way if I can.
Having experienced something that’s helped me tremendously makes me want to share that experience. 

It’s odd, I’m still a fan of embracing the murder and mayhem, but at the same time I want to be there to offer people a hand, pull them out of the chaos. 

This is the shit I mean when I say life is nothing but one contradiction after another and it’s fine. 

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Iris The Tranny juggalette said
I don’t like this thingy (which I first saw on a youtube show) because there are SO MANY exceptions, there are so many times when somebody has something above one of the others. Specifically the top 2, I mean, Kurt Cobain felt loved (just read his suicide note), but he sure as hell wasn’t safe. I knew a guy who lived most of his life running from people and was trying to make it as a rapper and he was fucking certain he was gonna make it, he had self actualization, and he wasn’t fucking safe at all, maybe not even really loved or belonged anywhere.  

So this is something I’ve been thinking about. 

A lot of people (myself, you, others on multiple threads I’ve started around the web) kinda frame the states as absolutes. I think the problem I’m having with the idea or any discussion around the idea is that people only move up and down when their life situations change. I’m wondering if it’s simpler than that. At least at the bottom stages. When I work on my art, the first thing I do is take care of my psychological needs, since I’m generally safe. I never feel threatened or in danger. I had a homeless friend who wanted to write about his life as a homeless autistic transgender juggalo. Being homeless, however, he was generally not safe and spent most of his time and mental capacity creating a a nurturing environment for himself, finding food, or bonding.

And yet, when he would come over to my house he would smoke a bowl, we would order a veggie pizza, he would bathe, and then he would write tons of fantastic poems and songs. He was brilliantly clever in the short term. 

I think maslow failed because he looked at successful, mentally healthy people and tried to extrapolate. 

I think it’s a lot more complicated than that, as you say. Especially for those of us like myself who are not mentally healthy. Kurt Cobain was addicted to heroin. He was suicidal. He was in emotional and physical pain often. Maslow wouldn’t have even looked at him. 

A favorite painter of mine was Basquiat who was also a heroin addict. He would often have to use heroin in order to help push him beyond his limitations.

And yet he had trouble maintaining relationships. 

That brings me back to the short term, impulsive needs of being safe in a moment if not in general, having food in your belly even if you don’t know where you’re eating tomorrow. 

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krunkazphuk said
Shit like this is why SJWs are called “Snowflakes“, Rob. Maybe take your self-hatred & snarky Western condescension to Libya and get some new footage of present-day, open-air, human slave markets to include in your next artistic masterpiece? Or stick a microphone in the trafficked humans’ faces while asking them questions like “Where do you see yourself on Maslow’s hierarchy?” and “Do you feel your core emotional needs are being met?” True esteem’s not for sale, but I do love watching the infomercials sometimes to take the edge off. And in response to your standard question of me whenever I dare to honestly respond to your cries for help (“So what are YOU doing to improve things?”) I’m quite certain the answer is “MORE THAN YOUR BITCH ASS CAN IMAGINE.”

See? Esteem; and I made it all by myself.

So, in conclusion, Maslow was a fag.

cool  

So your problem with it is… nothing? Just that I posted it. Thanks for playing I guess. 

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Psyral Infection said
My take has always been that Maslow is too basic and completely wrong based on his limited ability to expand his own mind and thoughts. It assumes that all people are the same psychologically and his pool of references were all of a certain type of person. Not the same profession but they did fit his specific model. Instead of him trying to find a model that fit all or most people, he found people for reference that fit his model.

I can see the bottom rung being a need. Most would agree on that. That was his hook. Show something that most agree on as the premise then point in a direction that most would like to see. It causes people to try to fit themselves into the model so they can self refer eventually as the stated goal.

The second rung is not necessarily a need but a condition with which the bottom rung is consistently met. Yes, for some (the basic people), the second rung is advancement but only to people who fit the mold that Maslow reviewed. To others, the second rung is but only one of the means to ensure the first and not a necessary subsequent step from the first.

The third rung is a complete non-necessity. Some think it is but in reality no one really needs “love / belonging”. In a societal or collective structure, it is advantageous to belong in such structure (again to ensure the first rung needs or to make it easier to enact the second rung for first rung needs), but not necessary. You don’t have to have / give / receive love to self-actualize. Maslow’s views of what a self-actualized person is (and he referred mainly to leaders) may require that rung for his definition but it is not an inclusive definition that encompasses all physiological types, only his limited and narrow minded view of the world. Maslow’s narrow-mindedness is a subject of many of Maslow’s critics (I being one of them) not only in his hierarchy of needs but in most of his works. He just didn’t have a very open mind and many of his most prominent supporters and followers have the same mental traits.

The forth, esteem, is where Maslow’s true colors show. It is no longer “self” actualization as his goal. This is the bait and switch. This is were we see his collectivistic ideals revealed. This is societal esteem. It breaks his own mold but if you have bought into the previous assumptions, then you accept his redefinition and continue on the path .

While not evident on its onset, the structure of his idea is “social”, “communal”, and “collective”. Not individualistic. It is the “socialistic”, “communistic”, and “collectivistic” that lead to the elements that @krunkazphuk described. She just jumped straight to the meat of the issues. Theses critiques are not new and have been around since universities started the leftist push in the 1950s and 1960s. Maslow fit perfectly within it. 

Not everything in this world is a battle between right and left but in this case, Maslow’s model was a preliminary step to set education of people along a leftist ideal. Once his ideas are accepted, it becomes easier to accept more radical ideas and eventually leading to acceptance ideas of the likes of Alisnky and such.  

It’s interesting that you try to frame it as socialistic. A friend of mine who is a socialist and who has a PhD in social psychology (and is a professor of psychology who would love to teach her students to be socialist) and I talked about it and her response was the exact opposite. 

She teaches her students that the hierarchy fails because it – ignores- the social collective. The way she talks about it, the feeling of belonging is significantly under valued. She pointed to prison populations and homeless camps where loving relationships develop despite safety and scarcity of food. 

I’m torn because I think it serves as a great internal checklist for living ones best life, but fails ultimately as a metric because the data fluctuates too rapidly. 

But then, the internal check list is only beneficial if you’re beyond the physiological needs of safety and nourished.

A person being trafficked probably isn’t interested in getting to “self actualization”, they want to not be beaten / raped/ starved. 

When it comes to the art piece Im thinking about, it’ll be consumed mostly by people who are securely in the upper middle class and have all of their needs met, as that’s who seeks out and consumes “art” in the context that I work, unfortunately. 

Yet that brings back the point. Hungry people who might lose their home don’t prioritize conceptual art or theoretical psychological analysis. People who are lonely seek out religious communities, or social scenes to belong to, not dense readings about social dynamics. 

Which always brings me back to imagining what the world would be like if we met the physiological needs of every individual while maintaining individual freedoms, embracing the nuances that make up human existence. Would there be more art? More science? More love?

And how much of that is cultural? Like ideas of gender, or family, or whatever, very so why wouldn’t individual priorities?

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Yo jc if you see this I would love your thoughts

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Rather than gifting the world with more incurious, sporadic, vomitous walls of text, perhaps consider the following self-actualized, artistic hatefacts and learn to ask a REAL fucking question, Rob.

Art =

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Or not. At this point providing you with anything useful, objectively provable, or charming is like throwing bricks in the Grand Canyon. U & Maslow deserve each other.

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I mean I agree with the chick on the left, but not so much the “always ends in genocide” I know it’s a joke but it reeks of “yOu cAn’T HAvE cApItaLisM wItHouT raCiSm”. And it’s usually communism that results in straight up starvation, if socialism is going too far and people are starting to not be able to make any money you can just switch to capitalism really easily and fix the problem in under a decade hopefully.

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… if socialism is going too far and people are starting to not be able to make any money you can just switch to capitalism really easily and fix the problem in under a decade hopefully.  

Any real life, current, or past examples of that hope? I’m genuinely curious if the Soviet Union’s and Venezuela’s fates aren’t the inevitable end of every socialist (which seems to translate to “oligarchic Ponzi scheme”) state. And I think it’s fair to say that a state being dissolved as spoils of war shouldn’t count as rehabilitated socialism. That gave me another great idea for Rob’s Maslow Thru the Ages masterpiece. Project footage onto a brick wall of starving people breaking into a Venezuelan zoo and eating the howler monkeys while he stands to the side pitching Maslow’s Ponzi scheme (a.k.a. handing out coupons for discount California State University Psychology textbooks):

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krunkazphuk said

Iris The Tranny juggalette said

… if socialism is going too far and people are starting to not be able to make any money you can just switch to capitalism really easily and fix the problem in under a decade hopefully.  

Any real life, current, or past examples of that hope? 

Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, don’t be fooled by what china tells you it is, it has adapted to be more and more capitalistic and now it’s becoming one of the economic superpowers (as well as becoming the worlds highest polluters) https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-went-from-communist-to-capitalist-2015-10 if you recall, under Mao people were starving to death in mass and were unable to gain anything economically, and this trend continued for as long as China was communist. 

but, in case anyone says they aren’t capitalist still, here’s a list of other countries becoming capitalist. 

http://www.ontheissues.org/ask…..sition.htm

Their economies are getting better and better for these countries, some of the list seems fishy to me, not exactly professional, but some other parts seem right. But it seems that to get a list of undeniables with scholarly sources I’d have to fish out articles and look at GDP’s for each country individually and fuck that shit, just look at the china one. My old choir teacher lived in china and he would attest that they are neither communist nor socialist. I think there might be better examples then china because they went from communism not socialism, but it’s the same concept, I might look up an example of regular socialism later. There was a really solid one that somebody I watch mentioned but i don’t remember which country it was, I might go fishing through videos to go find it. 

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