Scruffy's attempt to paint me as a hypocrite with a short memory fails because these are his words on page one.

even if this was a legit inquiry, and i doubt

In other words, he spoke for himself. And everything I put together on page one is incorrect and he can prove why. But he just won't do it.

That is why I call him a 17%r. I'm sure he likes to believe his disagreement with everything I said on page one could come not necessarily from Joe Bruce, but from anywhere like a few television segments or magazine articles. And where does all those other sources lead back to? Who do the articles always mention? Violent J. The man Joe Bruce himself who first made a stink to the media and the Juggalos and got them all whipped up. So even if Scruffy wanted to claim he reached his anti Twiztid views about the march and the gang list on his own, it would be disingenuous since Joe Bruce is the origin of this whole shit storm. The point is, him hating Twiztid for the march and the "gang list" makes him a 17%r. Well, that and the fact that he can't or won't take some time to read and do serious research. He has had five pages to expose any mistake I may have made. He has not. NOBODY HAS. Which brings me back to my original point:

I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world. I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo "gang list" to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.

oh, and, if your gonna quote me, put up the whole quote.  dont leave off the part that mattered.  just so that the reader doesnt have to go back and check, i will assist:

what scruffy actually said was      
even if this was a legit inquiry, and i doubt, you aint got any particular right to an explanation.  
chuck.       

You still think I'm Chuck based on no evidence. That's funny considering I sided with CPN's stance on the Will Sigler issue. You say I don't have a right to challenge people's beliefs. Philosophically, yes I do, if they're gonna proclaim them publicly and expect me to take them seriously while I disagree. You still said my inquiry was not legitimate. Which MEANS that you DISAGREE with everything I said on page one. THAT is why I call you a blind 17%r who thinks Twiztid is wrong but can't or won't prove it. Fine. Sit in the corner and sulk away with your hurt feelings. Doesn't mean you're correct about me being wrong on all those points on page one.

I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world.

bull fuckin shit.  massive bullshit.  pure, unadulterated, lyin ass bullshit.  

not only was that not your original point, but division in the juggalo world is your whole goal here. 

i dont even need to 'prove' it, its fuckin obvious.  

Yeah, sure it is. That's why other Juggalos agree with me. That's why at least one Juggalo named Lilej2 in the comments section on THIS PAGE said I needed to post my information far and wide. That's why another named Robocop thanked me for taking the time to break it down and that I sounded like a lawyer. If you're mad that others believe my arguments on page one, just get over it, stop taking it personally and show me where I'm wrong. If you can, I will change my mind. Hell, I changed my mind on the Sigler thing. So clearly I just want the best arguments and evidence available to me. If you have nothing to offer, then fine. But maybe you should not be the hypocrite here and you should stop cutting me off with short quote tags. Here is what I said after I said I hate seeing division in the Juggalo world...

I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo "gang list" to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.

If you don't want to challenge my points on page one, then fine. But it's clear I have rattled you since page one. So that tells me you DO believe that Twiztid is wrong about their stance and that therefore I am wrong on page one for backing it up. So instead of whining like a child, find some better arguments or evidence. If I'm wrong and you can prove why, it shouldn't be too difficult now  should it?

no one even wants to 'prove' shit to you.  they know its a waste of time, cuz you aint ever gonna listen either way. 

I have been asking for six pages for evidence. Obviously I'm willing to listen. So you're lie that I won't listen to anything, is just another reason to excuse yourself from having to prove your case that I went wrong somewhere on page one. You won't prove me wrong on page one, and nobody else will yet. I merely SUSPECT it is because they can't. But six pages in, I'm still willing to give anybody a chance.

i can tell you that some of us have disliked twizzler since before 2016, but since your argument revolves around the march, you just push our opinons to the side because you WANT to believe the march is what sparked the "bad press" towards twizzler.

It's almost like I knew this and therefore you are wrong in your assessment of me. At the bottom of my post at the bottom of page one.

I don't support Twiztid because I don't like the direction their music is going.

Fair enough.

See? I admit there are other reasons.

I member a bunch of us didnt even go to twizzlers set at gotj 2016, and thats way before the young wiggler debacle that was shortly followed by the announcement of mne not attending the march

And what were the reasons if not as some people say, the direction their music is going? I am curious.