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Entire Republican Staff of House Intelligence Committee Subject of Ethics Investigation
February 8, 2018
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Rep. Tom Rooney R-Florida mentioned the investigation according to a CBS article related to reports of the Republican majority wanting to use physical partitions to separate the majority and minority members of the committee.

"I swear to God I didn't know that," said Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Florida, when asked about the plan. While acknowledging a wall might not be constructive for the committee's work, he said, "The level of trust and the level of everything down there is – it's poison. It's absolute poison down there."

Rooney said one reason for the tension is an erosion of trust, exacerbated by an ongoing ethics investigation into the "entire Republican staff," including "the woman up front that answers the phone" for alleged leaks. He later added that the matter was being handled by the Office of Congressional Ethics.

Bipartisanship, he said, "is gone. It's gone from that committee."

The OCE reviews allegations of misconduct against House members and staff and, when appropriate, refers matters to the House Committee on Ethics. It is not clear what -- if any -- evidence has been submitted in this matter, or whether an investigation has been opened by OCE, which as a practice does not confirm or deny the existence of an investigation. The OCE declined to comment.  

Here's the article:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-intel-committee-gop-plan-to-wall-themselves-off-from-democrats-devin-nunes-adam-schiff/

February 8, 2018
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walls dont keep nobOdy out man

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February 8, 2018
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So according to your post there's "an ongoing ethics investigation into the "entire Republican staff..." being handled by the Office of Congressional Ethics..."

AND

"...It is not clear what -- if any -- evidence has been submitted in this matter, or whether an investigation has been opened by OCE..."

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February 9, 2018
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If you bothered to read the entire post pigg linked it clearly states that a Republican mentioned the investigation but that the reporters couldn't confirm it because the committee does not confirm or deny investigations. Like use some of that fucking mensa brain once in a while.

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February 9, 2018
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Noah Fence said
If you bothered to read the entire post pigg linked it clearly states that a Republican mentioned the investigation but that the reporters couldn't confirm it because the committee does not confirm or deny investigations. Like use some of that fucking mensa brain once in a while.  

She read the entire article and quoted two statements from the article. She clearly pointed out that there is no evedence available of this.

Researching the article, it shows all the news sources, in what is defined as "circular journalism", point back to Olivia Victoria Gazis, a producer at CBS News and other articles that point to each other as sources. Circular journalism is, in itself, considered bad journalism and as a graduate of Princeton, Harvard, and Columbia University she should have learned about that in Journalism 101. Not that it is her fault that others have created circular verification but if you look at her public comments on various platforms about her article, she mentions the other articles too. She just doesn't go all the way and site them as confirmation.

Her article is based on quote from Adam Schiff and a complaint filed on Jan 25th by Daniel E. Stevens, Executive Director of Campaign for Accountability that claims bi-partisanship but really targets Republicans. They file complaints all the time. Several a day sometimes. This particular complaint filed with the Ethics Commitee against all Republicans was because they claim the Nunes memo disclosed information about Fusion GPS in an attempt to harm the firm. The information about Fusion GPS was actually voted to be be released way back in November 2017 by the House Intelligence Committee but was never released publically. By Nunes releasing the memo, they claim that it amounts to unethical behavior because it harms a private firm and that Nunes claim of it being of public interest does not excuse him releasing it even after it was voted for realease and the Republicans should be charged with "leaking" information to the press.

The complaint filed is public record as are all complaints filed with the Ethics Commitee. You can see that there is no member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence that has not had multiple complaints filed against them. It is a common occurance. But the article leaves out that all Democrats on the commitee are also possibily under multiple investigations.

That is what the "fucking mensa brain" reveals. It goes beyond the misleading headlines and digs further to find where it all came from. If you really want to play the game, we can pull out all the stops and see if you can keep up. We will even keep it limited to publically available information and nothing that would be considered privileged to which I may have access.

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And thanks, @piggofdoom . The article was informative and led us to investigations that show there is a HUGE partisan divide between the members of the HPSCI on both sides. It's troubling that such a divide is occurring in an agency commitee that is suposed to be non-partisan and un-baised. I am thinking that everyone in the commitee should be replaced with more moderate and centralist members. Hyper-partisanship has its place, but not in the HPSCI.

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Noah Fence said
If you bothered to read the entire post pigg linked it clearly states that a Republican mentioned the investigation but that the reporters couldn't confirm it because the committee does not confirm or deny investigations. Like use some of that fucking mensa brain once in a while.  

I read it, & don't care what party mentioned an ALLEGED investigation if there's NO EVIDENCE that an "investigation has been opened by OCE..."

This type of non-partisan curiosity explains why I test well, and why you clearly fail at debate. BTW, calling opponents "NAZI!" and hiding inside your ideological circle jerk isn't debate, it's retarded mental masturbation.

Fun fact: I've used my fucking Mensa brain to have never personally paid dues to Mensa because it seems elitist. (My grandma stopped paying when I was a coke-dealing teenager and my membership became inactive. I have chosen not to reactivate it, though it is always an option.) And you're not the first sad boy I've met who's triggered by genius. Hell, you're not even the most communist. Fight on, comrade!

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February 9, 2018
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I read it, & don't care what party mentioned an ALLEGED investigation if there's NO EVIDENCE that an "investigation has been opened by OCE..."

This type of non-partisan curiosity explains why I test well, and why you clearly fail at debate. BTW, calling opponents "NAZI!" and hiding inside your ideological circle jerk isn't debate, it's retarded mental masturbation.

Fun fact: I've used my fucking Mensa brain to have never personally paid dues to Mensa because it seems elitist. (My grandma stopped paying when I was a coke-dealing teenager and my membership became inactive. I have chosen not to reactivate it, though it is always an option.) And you're not the first sad boy I've met who's triggered by genius. Hell, you're not even the most communist. Fight on, comrade!

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You didn't read, you scanned. Reading requires internalizing information, processing it, and understanding it. 

If you weren't a completely fucking daft burn out you would have realized that the first quote you shared completely misrepresented what was going on because your poor scanning skills cut off the important half of the information, where the fuck it comes from.

Where information comes from is as important as the information comes from. I know that's hard for assholes who think the daily stormer is a legitimate news source to understand.

The article isn't making the claim that there's an investigation, tom rooney is. This information is important. That the journalist couldn't confirm it is also important. This isn't nonsense, it isn't fake news. It's conflicting information from two sources, one which as a policy doesn't comment. 

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February 9, 2018
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Noah Fence said

You didn't read, you scanned. Reading requires internalizing information, processing it, and understanding it.

If you weren't a completely fucking daft burn out you would have realized that the first quote you shared completely misrepresented what was going on because your poor scanning skills cut off the important half of the information, where the fuck it comes from.

Where information comes from is as important as the information comes from. I know that's hard for assholes who think the daily stormer is a legitimate news source to understand.

The article isn't making the claim that there's an investigation, tom rooney is. This information is important. That the journalist couldn't confirm it is also important. This isn't nonsense, it isn't fake news. It's conflicting information from two sources, one which as a policy doesn't comment.

@noah-fence , Wow, you must have cameras and microphones inside our house to know that she only "scanned" the article. But maybe you should adjust gain on the microphone because she read the article outloud to me. After that I looked at all versions of the article, as it has gone through edits since its publication due to the comments she received on social media about her deceptiveness of the article.

And the quote of Rooney is misleading. This is the result of the author's word play.
[The reason for the tension is an erosion of trust because of the onging ethics investigation into the "entire Republican staff" including "the woman up front that answers the phone" for alleged leaks. He later added that the matter was being handled by the Office of Congressional Ethics.] ...
Expand your research of this like we did. The "matter" being handled by the OCE is NOT about an ongoing ethics investigation. That was NOT part of the quote. that was Olivia Gazis' words, not his. The "matter" being handled is the REVIEW of the complaint filed on Jan 25th.

All complaints are reviewed. Some are investigated. Almost none result in any disciplinary actions. But currently every single member of the HPSCI is under investigation. That is due to the two parties constantly filing complaints against each other.

The ethics commitee is pointless anyway. Look at their track record. Only 5 House members have ever seen expulsion. The last one was in July of 2002.

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February 9, 2018
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Psyral is right. The lack of bipartisanship is the real issue. The click bait title just helped people see it.

 

And if course I'm walking it back because apparently we can do that whenever we want.

February 9, 2018
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Psyral you know noah gonna pop in say shit about how you wrong and other retarded statements that don't prove anything that he's trying to prove or whatever the fuck.

February 9, 2018
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Noah, for some reason I ace tests. Whether they're in Electromagnetic Fields, Calculus, Sociology, or Honors English, that's a reality that can be backed up with data. I hope to emerge from any exchange with more questions than answers, but I'm guessing that your rage virus keeps you from asking many real questions. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on our approach to life. And here's a pro tip: next time u wanna swallow a news/thread headline whole, try inserting it rectally instead. That way u won't have to taste the

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February 9, 2018
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You guys are like the worst versions of each other's respective party. Well, I guess Noah could be an even more raging PC nazi. And Krunk and Psyral aren't literal Nazis either. Some where near the bottom though, fairly close to it.

February 9, 2018
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krunkazphuk said
Noah, for some reason I ace tests. Whether they're in Electromagnetic Fields, Calculus, Sociology, or Honors English, that's a reality that can be backed up with data. I hope to emerge from any exchange with more questions than answers, but I'm guessing that your rage virus keeps you from asking many real questions. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on our approach to life. And here's a pro tip: next time u wanna swallow a news/thread headline whole, try inserting it rectally instead. That way u won't have to taste the

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No never question Ben Shapiro. You actively fiend for the taste of his bullshit.

February 9, 2018
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Krunk, do you think your intelligence makes you immune to bias? Do you question views that are similar to yours as stringently as those that you are opposed to? I don't. I've been trying to do so recently, but I still fail. 

I ended the quote where I did for a reason. I wanted to include the fact that this is a quote from within the Republican party.

Here's a question that there might be a good answer to: If Rooney IS being accurately portrayed in the article, what would he gain from lying about it?

 

Another question: Psyral, do you think the ethics party SHOULD be pointless? Or ahshou something be done to give it more teeth? And if that were done, what steps could be put into place to keep it non-partisian?

 

Do you agree with any of the sentiments from this opinion piece, even if you don't agree with the individual's politics? http://thehill.com/opinion/civ.....hics-rules

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Pigg said 
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Another question: Psyral, do you think the ethics party SHOULD be pointless? Or ahshou something be done to give it more teeth? And if that were done, what steps could be put into place to keep it non-partisian?

 @piggofdoom , I don't think it should be pointless but I think it is currently pointless. It has has to do with their track record. I have not researched why there have not been any House member evictions since 2002. It just seems a bit odd that all those politians in the house since 2002 have no corrpution. Not one. I would also want to research how much we spend on the ethics committee and who checks the ethics of the ethics committee.

Do you agree with any of the sentiments from this opinion piece, even if you don't agree with the individual's politics? http://thehill.com/opinion/civ.....-rules  

 I do agree with the issues of the OCE lacking teeth. People also need to understand that the Ethics Committee (House Ethics Committee and Senate Ethics Committee) is different than the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE). The OCE is a new thing - 2008 - and referrs issues to the HEC/SEC. I do think there is no need for the OCE. I think it is redundant. The HEC/SEC should be all that is needed but like I have stated, they haven't done much for years. Most of the time they find things like politicians misusing funds and ask that the funds are paid back. In most cases, the politician claims they used wrong funds/accounts by mistake. They pay the funds back and everything is ok. If they were not there, then these "mistakes" would never be caught and many more politicians would "accidentaly" misuse funds. 

So we need some form of ethics committee but I am not sure why we need multiple agencies. I am sure there is a reason that I am missing. I will have to research this one a bit further. It seems that the OCE was created because the HEC/SEC was not doing its job. I don't understand why the poeple not doing their job properly were not just fired and replaced. The entire OCE, HEC, SEC stuff is just odd to me.

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