Krunk, I invite you to point out anything I posted that isn’t factual. I actually edited down a much larger list. I didn’t post anything I couldn’t independently verify or anything that was just an accusation. These are affidavits, charges, convictions and admissions. If you see “110% horseshit,” then please help me fact check and point me to a single pile. 

I’m not following. Sexual assault is illegal in New York. What existing law prohibited the NY verdict? Source? 

krunk said
NY ruled beyond existing law. That’s tyranny. 

Your premise is flawed. NY was a civil case that means it was filed by a private citizen. I shouldn’t have to spell this out for you but “tyranny” is defined as “cruel and oppressive government.” See the distinction? Under tyrannical rule, a private citizen couldn’t hold someone like Trump accountable. If someone takes a person to court, they not being tyrannized. They are literally getting their day in court. Now what existing law are you talking about? The law of the jungle is not an existing law in New York.  Seriously, what are you talking about? Can you cite a source that’s not a cartoon? If you have a leg to stand on, now is the time to get the fuck up. 

meanwhile, in the real world…

The twice-indicted Donald Trump has a perfect record: He has lost every important challenge in the multiple, major legal cases swirling around him.

Sometimes, this has happened at the trial court level; sometimes, it’s been on appeal. But eventually, he has lost on every significant issue, civil or criminal, to come up. That ought to tell us something about the former president’s ability to navigate the rough legal waters ahead of him, and how dramatically the excuses his team serves up for the right-wing media zombies fall short in courts of law.

Let’s take E. Jean Carroll’s civil claims against Trump. In the so-called E. Jean Carroll I case concerning his defamation of her while president, Trump initially persuaded the Justice Department to follow former attorney general William P. Barr’s position that his statements during his presidency were within the scope of his official duties. This would have obliged the department to defend him. But a federal court judge rejected that position. Trump later repeated his defamatory statements after leaving the presidency, most recently at a CNN town hall. The judge allowed Carroll to amend her complaint.

Meanwhile, Trump lost all attempts to stall and dismiss what’s known as E. Jean Carroll II, the case brought for defamation after Trump’s presidency and for sexual assault under the Adult Survivors Act. The jury decided that Trump defamed Carroll and sexually assaulted her, awarding her $5 million. Judge Lewis A. Kaplan denied a new trial, finding Trump’s claims “frivolous.”

Moreover, as NBC News reported on July 19:

Trump has filed a counterclaim alleging Carroll defamed him by continuing to say he raped her in public statements following the jury verdict.
In his ruling Wednesday, Judge Kaplan indicated that may be a losing argument.
He noted that rape in New York criminal law “applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis,” a definition that is “far narrower than the meaning of ‘rape’ in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes, and elsewhere.”
“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that,” he wrote.

Trump is an adjudicated liar and sexual batterer.

Consider then the New York criminal indictment from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg alleging falsification of business documents. Trump has tried everything e.g., demanding the judge recuse himself; trying to remove the case to federal court — to no avail. His complaint that the case is too trivial carries no weight with the prosecutor or judge. He will almost certainly face trial within a year. (This is separate from the successful criminal tax fraud case against Trump’s company that resulted in a verdict of more than $1.6 million.)

Trump also faces a state civil case from New York Attorney General Letitia James alleging that Trump operated a massive scheme to inflate property values. He again failed to get the case dismissed. (The New York Times reported in January: “In a sharply worded order, the judge, Justice Arthur F. Engoron of State Supreme Court in Manhattan, denied Mr. Trump’s motion to dismiss the case. In his written order, Justice Engoron said that some of the arguments repeatedly made by Mr. Trump’s lawyers were ‘frivolous,’ and had been ‘borderline frivolous even the first time defendants made them.’”)

Now let’s turn to Georgia’s criminal investigation of the phony elector scheme and the effort to cajole Georgia officials to “find” enough votes to flip the state to Trump. The former president and his allies have failed in every attempt to foreclose testimony of former and current aides, political allies and lawyers by claiming attorney-client privilege and executive privilege and citing the Constitution’s speech and debate clause.

Trump’s recent motion to dismiss the entire matter failed in Georgia’s state Supreme Court. In a unanimous ruling, the court found that “even if the petition were procedurally appropriate, Petitioner has not shown that he would be entitled to the relief he seeks. And, with regard to Petitioner’s request to disqualify [Fulton County district attorney Fani] Willis from representing any party in any and all proceedings involving him, we note only that Petitioner has not presented in his original petition either the facts or the law necessary to mandate Willis’s disqualification by this Court at this time on this record.” He can rail against Willis, baselessly calling her “racist,” but that does not help him in court.

Meanwhile, in the Mar-a-Lago documents matter, Trump brought a civil case seeking to return the classified documents seized pursuant to a lawfully executed warrant and enjoin the investigation. He enjoyed a short-lived victory when his appointee to the federal bench, Judge Aileen M. Cannon, held in his favor in a widely panned ruling appointing a special master to review the documents. However, her ruling was swiftly overturned by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, and Cannon was forced to dismiss the case.

In the underlying special counsel criminal investigation into alleged obstruction and violation of the Espionage Act, Trump’s claims that he magically declassified documents and that special counsel Jack Smith and the FBI are out to get him provided no protection. He lost a critical attorney-client privilege claim because of the crime-fraud exception, turning his lawyer Evan Corcoran into a witness for the government. Trump, the 2024 GOP front-runner, was indicted on 37 counts, spelled out in jaw-dropping detail in Smith’s filing. Trump’s attempt to postpone the case indefinitely also fell on deaf ears; this past week, Cannon set the trial to begin next May.

We now come to the main event: the federal case concerning Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election. Trump lost more than 60 cases challenging the result. No evidence of significant fraud was ever presented in these cases, and several attorneys involved in bringing them face disbarment.

As a preliminary matter, more than 1,000 rioters and Jan. 6 plotters have been charged, and more than 480 have been convicted of a variety of serious crimes including seditious conspiracy. None has succeeded in claiming this was a government plot or the work of left-wing groups.

Trump, meanwhile, has failed to keep top aides and advisers from testifying. His attorney-client privilege with lawyer John Eastman was pierced, again a result of the crime-fraud exception. Witnesses including former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, former vice president Mike Pence and former White House lawyers Pat Cipollone and Patrick Philbin have all been required to testify. Again, no privilege or immunity claim has prevailed.

Trump has already received a target letter, reportedly referencing charges for obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to deprive individuals of the “free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States.” (The latter might entail a charge that Trump deprived people of the states who voted for Biden the right to have their votes accurately tabulated.)

For all of Trump’s crazed accusations, pleas of victimhood, conspiracies and outright lies, nothing has worked so far to shield him from civil liability or criminal prosecution. What passes for an argument on right-wing media or for MAGA cult members and lawmakers carries no weight in courts of law.

Trump is not exempt from the laws that others must follow. He cannot claim that his actions, many of which he has admitted to in speeches and interviews, are either too small or too big to trigger criminal liability. Soon, he will face juries of ordinary Americans who will decide whether he should be held accountable for his conduct. And none of his inane excuses, lies, conspiracies or delaying tactics should protect him.

Per: Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/23/trump-court-cases-documents-insurrection-legal-challenges/?utm_source=reddit.com

The Right Can’t Meme

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jan-6-blames-government-b2380923.html?utm_source=reddit.com

The government, you say? 

sleepy said
fuck biden

I’m fine with this. Status Quo Joe is a bit of a chump, but he handed Trump his ass when we needed to unseat him. I’m on board with making Biden primary as the incumbent. I want the best choice possible, so if there are Democratic options let’s see ’em. Just about anyone could beat Trump at this point, but I’d like to see some younger, viable candidates on the field. Someone a lot more progressive than Biden. Make no mistake, Joe Biden is just a politician. I won’t simp for him or any of them. This system thrives when we hold them accountable for their decisions and keep politicians fighting for their jobs. I’ve said “fuck Biden” before and I’ll probably say it again. 

That’s the big difference. A Trump supporter will never criticize Trump. See anyone with Joe Biden avatars? It’s all or nothing because Trump demands loyalty to Trump. We can’t afford another four years with an incompetent narcissist at the helm. This thread isn’t pro Joe Biden it’s fuck Donald Trump, yo.