took you 72 hours to come up with that??

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/these-are-the-most-telling-failures-socialism

I trust Doctors and Scholars more than high school drop outs from Utah who use snopes as a fact checker

I believe real doctors and real scholars not the ones bough by the MSM

I believe those 2 doctors in the video Krunk posted, I believe Rand Paul who is a doctor and had and beat the corona virus but the MSM tells the sheep and I guess pigg people to listen to Greta and Bill Gates instead.

and you know the doctor who runs the W.H.O???

he ain't even a doctor he's just some dude who lies a lot who's last job was covering up malaria outbreaks

Fucked up thing is, with this pandemic businesses are going to start looking even more into how to replace humans with automation. At that point capitalism is going to fail us like it did Detroit when the factories started getting automated. It makes the most sense. Machines don't get sick, they don't have emotions, they don't need raises and they stay consistent.

The only way for us to survive once the idea of a job becomes obsolete is going to be socialism or communism. Personally communism, I mean true communism, is what I prefer. Socialism is too corruptible. Even democratic socialism.

the_patron_smack said

King Lucem Ferre said
Yeah, I was busy not being on here. It's much better not being here most of the time.

easy to do when your not on complete lockdown 

Nah, I respect social distancing though.

I think Utah is open as usual I might be wrong because who the fuck cares about Utah?

Nope. Businesses are still taking precautions.

without even looking it up I bet there is more people in Montreal alone than the whole state of Utah.

I don't get what this has to do with anything but... ja Utah sucks... like trying to convince a rape victim rape sucks. I know better than you.

if not Quebec as a whole dwarfs your state in covid-19 cases and deaths hell in size Quebec dwarfs Texas America's biggest state.

Big state doesn't matter. Population density does.

right here in the greatest city in the world Montreal,Quebec,Canada everything has been closed since mid March.

Everything here but bars started opening up.

only big chain stores are open and most only do delivery.

Most chains are only doing drive through with tons of precautions here.

if I visit a friends house and neighbor of my friends calls the police we both get a $1500 fine , the same goes for if I visit my grandmother the fine even raises because she is elderly.

I don't think things like this should happen until it's proven that you can't trust the people to listen. When your right to go to the beach or hang out or etc. infringes on somebody else's right to live it definitely needs to be regulated. But that should be a final option imo.

I gotta wait in line sometimes hours just to do my grocery shopping and if you don't have a mask you ain't getting in..

Ja, sucks, but good.

feels a lot like socialism lately here

Can you even give a coherent definition on what socialism is?

and  a fucking fairy like you who's state is open for business 

says Bernie Sanders is what America needs????

My state is not open for business and yes. I mean, I'm not delusional enough to think Bernie is going to save us but he's a step in the right direction.

A more complicated opinion is I think a country and it's government should be malleable and change with the times like our founding fathers intended. We should use socialism where it's needed and capitalism where it's needed. We don't have to dedicate ourselves to one institution and I have no clue why everybody thinks we do.

Oh, and for more context on how capitalism is failing us, Obama left us with a huge job growth one of the largest we've had. So good that Trump is trying to take credit for it. Thing is, those jobs aren't paying us shit. Americans are having to work multiple jobs and most of us still struggle to make ends meat. Most of us are in extreme debt. We've been failed.

and says fuck Trump

Yeah, he's blatantly a fascist dictator spreading misinformation and propaganda that has an army of idiots that follow his every word.

sorry I don't drink the MSM kool aid

You drink conservative kool aid with out questioning it because it pats you on the head and tells you that you're right.

that's probably why I am a Juggalo the mainstream is a lie to me never believed it 

Mainstream just means widely accepted. Hating anything for how popular it is shows a lack of critical thinking. Even sillier coming from a straight white male conservative christian. That's as mainstream as it gets.

and that's why you are not a Juggalo as you have claimed again and again you choose the popular opinion just because it's popular and you are not.

No, I explained over and over again it's because I don't like labels and respect having my own identity. I think for myself. You need an identity to do your thinking for you. That's why you state things in simple absolutes. You're to stupid to actually understand nuance.

but try to lucidly explain why I am wrong within the next 72 hours you lucidly have every reason to take that time

*hint*

learn the definition of lucid first   

I already did. It's not my fault you don't have the comprehension to grasp more complex ideas like I already explained.

I can try to put as much effort as I can to dumb it down for you but only if you can actually give a coherent answer as to what socialism even is to show that you actually have any sort of grasp on what you're talking about. Personally, I don't think you do. I think you're an idiot who just blindly follows what mainstream conservatism tells you because it makes things easier. You don't actually have to use your brain.

Psyral Infection said

King Lucem Ferre said
Fucked up thing is, with this pandemic businesses are going to start looking even more into how to replace humans with automation. At that point capitalism is going to fail us like it did Detroit when the factories started getting automated. It makes the most sense. Machines don't get sick, they don't have emotions, they don't need raises and they stay consistent....

But someone has to design, program, and set up the automation. That's where I come in. That's my job. 

Cool. When automation comes in full effect that's not going to provide enough jobs for the people who get replaced. Detroit being proof.

The company I work for does a good job at automation progression. We don't automate anyone out of a job. We automate to assist employees to free up more of their time to work on other projects that are less monotonous and lead to expansion instead of using their time to do something that is nothing more than daily company maintenance. 

If they could replace you they would. I assure you.

My company has never let anyone go due to automation (or even for economic turndown). If automation is done well, it expands the employee's duties instead of replacing the employee.

That's literally the dumbest thing I ever heard. Automation is specifically designed to replace humans for the reasons I stated plus the fact that working is harder.

I know that not all companies have this philosophy (I've been told I work for a unique company - we've been listed every year as one of the top places to work in Houston) but it is an example of how automation can work and how companies can be run.

Depends. What are you doing? From what I understand you're into programming or something like that. The crux of the job force is hard labor. There is no keeping hard labor jobs when automation is introduced.

It is based on works by Ken Blanchard and Sheldon Bowles who authored several books on business ethics, employee (not customer) based business models, and the idea of automatic all-employee profit sharing.

Dude, your company is literally communist. That's literally communism. Everybody is entitled to the means of production.

If you ensure that all the employees are always happy and benefit directly and proportionately from the financial success of the company, it creates an environment where these happy employees naturally want happy customers.

Ja, building a good environment for your workers is proven to boost productivity even at reduced hours. This was covered in a Micheal Moor documentary about the failings of American capitalism. Thanks for backing my point. The reality about the American work force that apparently you don't get, and definitely Smack doesn't get, is we are overworked and underpaid to inhumane levels.

It has worked well for this company since the 1970s.  

Wow, communist ideas work well for a company. Should be ringing a bell for ya, yeah.

But the free market and liberals being devils and socialism bad and blah blah blah nobody can drop their mainstream political identities force fed to them to give any critical thought towards the discussion. Too bad.

Old Mr Dangerous said
Lucem isnt always right, 

There was a time when I thought the Nazis were actually socialists. I can be embarrassingly wrong sometimes.

the_patron_smack said
after this whole corona shit is said and done

I am entering rehab or the very least going to some AA meetings 

I used to drink heavy on normal circumstances but now I am drinking way too much.

I don't even remember posting last night, I was clearly vexed but still stand behind most of what I posted.

I have no clue what I said to pigg let alone why I deleted my own post and apologized .

but last night funny because it is true I had a naked 60 year old begging me to kill him, he has not drank any booze in 20 years visits AA everyday sometimes twice a day and is married to my sister and it's over between them she is gone moved out all happened real fast within 4 days and the guy lost his shit drank like 6 bottles of wine and went crazy was knocking on my door naked saying he wants to die, please please Jonah kill me I want to die and my name is not Jonah it's Jonas..

anyway I brought him downstairs to his apartment and finished off a bottle of wine with him until he passed out and put him to bed.

have not spoken to him since fucking awkward the dude cheated on my sister and yet I felt bad for him he was in such a bad place and I known this man over 20 years never so much took a sip of booze even on holidays.

these social distancing shut down crap have also closed down AA and a lot of people have a big problem with drinking and that was their only support system especially the older people who don't even know how to use the internet I got to see that first hand last night and it was not pretty.

also wine sucks

if you wan't to get drunk beer is the way to go  

This is all okay. I don't remember half of what I type to Krunk and her husband, Psyral. But I stand by it all.