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I don't have a candidate, so convince me to vote for yours... without mentioning other candidates.
August 31, 2016
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Lucem made a great point in another thread:

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So you guys said all the bad things about Hillary and Trump, but what about the good things? Nobody ever has anything good to say about either. Think on that.  

 I was supporting a candidate who I can no longer enthusiastically support so I am on equal footing with most of the candidates. I dislike everybody, and I know all the faults of the major candidates and many of the faults of the minor candidates. So, without mentioning the “opposition”, can you tell me who you support and why?

What policy proposals of theirs do you support? 

And, for a more nuanced view, what do you disagree with about the candidate you’ve chosen?

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August 31, 2016
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I’ll have to get back to you on this one after the first debate. Hillary rarely does press conferences and Trump is still adjusting, trying to figure it all out. Hopefully they will lay out the methods or strategies they will use to bring about the policies they are championing. I don’t know much yet about Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Other candidates, besides those 4, that score less than 1% in polls, I am not too concerned with. 

PS.. Oops, I didn’t read your title and post all the way, I wasn’t supposed to mention other candidates except “mine”. Sorry :P

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August 31, 2016
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Noah Fence said 
 So, without mentioning the “opposition”, can you tell me who you support and why?
  

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice. History class told me that as George Washington left office he told the U.S. to use the Atlantic Ocean as a moat (fix itself before taking on the world.) I see that applying today as well, since our veterans aren’t even cared for properly.

Noah Fence said 
 
What policy proposals of theirs do you support? 
 

His policies are fluid, but here’s the link to his current positions:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Incentivizing companies to stay in the U.S. rather than leave for bottom-line reasons seems like it would be a great economic boost. (Texas does that and companies move here all the time. It works.) Also, I agree that repealing Obamacare and bringing free market principles back to U.S. healthcare will likely broaden healthcare access to those who want it, as well as allow for medical progress in a competitive system. (I find socialism stagnant at best.) Regarding immigration reform, I’m not sold on building a wall because I don’t know how effective it would actually be, but people who want a borderless country AND welfare for anyone who can get here crack me up. This quote from his site seems mostly smart:

“We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.”

Noah Fence said 
 
And, for a more nuanced view, what do you disagree with about the candidate you’ve chosen?  

I disagree with reactionary things I’ve heard him say in the media (for instance him saying he wants to “open up libel laws,” and “be allowed to sue news outlets that publish stories he deems are wrong.”) He’s a human and is capable of throwing tantrums like the rest of us. Some voters don’t like seeing things like that in a candidate, but I don’t mind. And since you asked me not to mention the “opposition,”

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August 31, 2016
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I’ll have to get back to you on this one after the first debate. Hillary rarely does press conferences and Trump is still adjusting, trying to figure it all out. Hopefully they will lay out the methods or strategies they will use to bring about the policies they are championing. I don’t know much yet about Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Other candidates, besides those 4, that score less than 1% in polls, I am not too concerned with. 

PS.. Oops, I didn’t read your title and post all the way, I wasn’t supposed to mention other candidates except “mine”. Sorry :P  

None of them are really “opposition” if you aren’t sure where they stand or if you haven’t really made up your mind yet.

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August 31, 2016
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krunkazphuk said

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice. History class told me that as George Washington left office he told the U.S. to use the Atlantic Ocean as a moat (fix itself before taking on the world.) I see that applying today as well, since our veterans aren’t even cared for properly.

Some corny ass over exaggerated bullshit meant to slander Hillary with out actually saying her name. You lost.

 

I support none, I don’t give a fuck. Fuck America.

August 31, 2016
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King Lucem Ferre said

krunkazphuk said

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice. History class told me that as George Washington left office he told the U.S. to use the Atlantic Ocean as a moat (fix itself before taking on the world.) I see that applying today as well, since our veterans aren’t even cared for properly.

Some corny ass over exaggerated bullshit meant to slander Hillary with out actually saying her name. You lost.

 

I support none, I don’t give a fuck. Fuck America.  

Risky words, King. America might not want to pity fuck you back when you’re desperate. Nothing I said is inaccurate or exaggerated in my opinion, and I’m guessing the United States Department of Veterans Affairs’ and my History professor’s opinions might line up as well. You may declare I lost, King, but I ain’t even playing. Here’s another video you’ll likely find irrelevant that sums up your rampant nihilism in a beautiful way.

YouTube Video Hardware – The Order of Death – Public Image Ltd – PiL 

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August 31, 2016
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It is over exaggerated. If you were anti-establishment you would not want a wall, or government intervention when it comes to immigration and obviously banning muslims. Democrats are anti-establisment when it comes to abortion laws. Plus, especially with healthcare, you don’t actually know Trump’s intentions. Especially since he was a socialist democrat prior to running for president. Let’s also talk the war on drugs. Trump’s sudden change of mind after running says he’s against legalization which promotes the most authoritarian thing we have going on right now. So yes, you did over exaggerate. Both are anti establishment in certain ways, both are authoritarian in other ways. Something I can prove with out using straw man or ad hominem.

You did lose the point of this thread because you HAD to compare Trump to the opposers to justify him. That was the whole point. A simple basic point like that flies over your head. You are only voting for him because he is not them. You’re whole justification is ‘he’s not a democrat’ and the fucked up thing is that you don’t even know that for sure. Check on Trump’s political history.

So my nihilism is justified. By people like you.

PS. You’re videos are typically irrelevant attacks at Rob. I mean, I can’t find how anti feminist, liberal, PC, or what ever box you wanted to put Rob into so you can easily dismiss his points had to do with our discussion on the validity of BLM’s message. Sorry for pointing out an obvious truth.

August 31, 2016
11:07 pm
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Also, my nihilism is summed up by third verse of this song.

 

September 1, 2016
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My candidate is Nyro…or Drew Smith. My reasoning is he will put Faygo machines in every workplace at the price of 25 cents a can. He also will make sure Juggalos are never mentioned out of the FBI (or any other law enforcements) mouth or on their paperwork. Not only that but the dude has an amazing set of man tits that should honestly be worshipped or in the very least appreciated by the masses.

He is a broke mother fucker so he will gladly settle for vacationing by pitching a tent on the white house lawn instead of going to Hawaii or another country. He doesn’t honestly give a rats ass who wants to get married as long as the people are of legal age. He will not loan anymore money to fuckers overseas who hate America.

I also like the guys idea for a naked across America run on a bi-yearly basis.

 

And my last but final argument is…he is NOT either of the two crazy mother fuckers running in the two major parties at the moment so he can not be all that bad.

 

Honestly the main bad thing about this guy is he is a jerk. Sometimes he picks his nose and wipes it on the person in front of him.

September 1, 2016
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King Lucem Ferre said

krunkazphuk said

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice. History class told me that as George Washington left office he told the U.S. to use the Atlantic Ocean as a moat (fix itself before taking on the world.) I see that applying today as well, since our veterans aren’t even cared for properly.

Some corny ass over exaggerated bullshit meant to slander Hillary with out actually saying her name. You lost.

 

I support none, I don’t give a fuck. Fuck America.  

@lucem-ferre , Maybe I am reading it incorrectly, I did not see how this was a slander to Hillary. I see the comparisons of ideologies but I would not consider those ideologies as fully applicable to Hillary. Just ideologies that provide the contrast to the terms that the choice, as she says, “for me this elections”.  I also do not see the veterans issue as being a slander against Hillary since they have not been properly cared for under both republican and democratic rule.

Now the animated .gif she used, I can’t see that as being anything except reference to Hillary. That is, most definitely, mentioning the “opposition” – Depending on your definition of “mentioning”.

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King Lucem Ferre said
…’he’s not a democrat’ and the fucked up thing is that you don’t even know that for sure. Check on Trump’s political history…  

This is actually one of the reasons I like Trump. He has changed his registered party 5 times since the late 80’s. That means he can be fluid on the issues. As we have seen during this election cycle, he has not been consistent on several issues.

What I don’t like about Trump –  He may be TOO fluid on the issues.

Instead of spamming the forum with too many multiple posts to the same thread, I will do my Hillary thing here too.

Hillary is practically unprecedented among all candidates in policies and programs designed to help children. She has been a major but almost silent advocate for them all through her long political career. This is one of my likes about her.

Dislikes: She’s not Trump! JK, It’s her “trustworthiness”, whether allegations are true or not. There are just so many of them.

I still have not had time to look into the other candidates so I will still have to come back. And all the above may change after the debate. There is still plenty of time left for any of the candidates to commit political suicide. This is one of the most difficult elections since the false flags and mis-information and flat out lies are so prevalent in all the media. It keeps my head spinning with point – counterpoint – counter counterpoint – etc.

@noah-fence , not sure if any of this is helping you find a candidate. It may even be driving you away from all of them, in which case, you could always throw in with @nyro or do as @scruffy has suggested in another thread and do an abstention vote when no candidate merits your support.

It does not always have to be voting for the lesser of the evils. It can also be voting for the one with more good, despite having some “evils”. In the end, only you can decide what is good, tolerable, or completely intolerable to your personal beliefs or ideals.

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September 1, 2016
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September 1, 2016
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krunkazphuk said

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice.

Sorry, I should have cut it down to that. The meme I didn’t even care about since it was an admitted added piece to intentionally stir the pot. Like anybody cares, we all know Hillary is a shady bitch.

When she says this is a choice between either this or that and Trump is this but not that then common sense should tell you who she is referring to as that. Who the hell else could that be? She’s basically saying that she supports Trump because Hillary is going to put us into a ‘nanny state’. And that was the whole point. Voting based on spite. Voting so the other side doesn’t win. With no real redeemable qualities on why she’s going to vote for Trump other than his vague policies that every Republican has been saying and that he has really cool quotes on his website that strokes the ego of her ideology.

To bring it to you liking the fact that he changes his opinion so much, that just proves that he’ll say anything to become president. That’s why his speeches are stupid, immature, dumbed down xenophobic republican rants. Because people eat that shit up. That is where America is at right now. It’s sad. Not to say the other side isn’t bad. We all saw the dumb asses protesting Donald Trump and Hillary will say anything to become president as well. So at the end of the day, the people voting for Trump only want to vote for Trump because he’s not Hillary and vice versa. Like god damn. I saw touches of this back in 2012, people just wanting to get Obama out of office but at least voters could name something good about Obama or Mitt Romney.

September 1, 2016
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For me memes are imitated methods of survival like agriculture or promoting liberty over socialism. Not pics with clichés. Maybe try answering the thread’s initial question on your own without invoking me as “opposition.” I didn’t mention you at all in my answer. And if you don’t think Hillary will turn the U.S. into a nanny state, just check out Canada. Many of us could be arrested in that socialist hellhole for posting the way we post on here. Here’s another nihilistic gem from Digital Hardcore Recordings. It’s as close as it gets to being on ketamine without the ketamine.

YouTube Video I Don’t Care What Happens 

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September 2, 2016
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I can’t because I don’t have a candidate that I actually support.

You missed the point of the thread, that’s why I called you out.

I’m not sure what Hillary will do, I just don’t trust that fake bitch as much as I don’t trust Trump. One of the wort of us was from Canada, he never got arrested. And I’m pretty sure you are over exaggerating. As everybody in that Republican kool aide camp does.

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Please, die.

September 2, 2016
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Old Mr Dangerous said
Please, die.  

Everybody or did you have someone particular in mind?

This post did not go the way I had hoped. le sigh.

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Noah Fence said

Everybody or did you have someone particular in mind?

This post did not go the way I had hoped. le sigh.  

@noah-fence , I gave it my best, honestly. Very rarely will a political topic ever go as expected.

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You were fine. Oh well. Hopefully someone will come in and save me.

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Noah Fence said

Everybody or did you have someone particular in mind?

This post did not go the way I had hoped. le sigh.  

I should’ve been more specific. However, this was a reaction I couldn’t resist once I saw Bill O’Reilly’s face. It was like projectile vomiting with my tYing fingertips.

Bill O’Reilly is who I had in mind. 

Bill, please, die.

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