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I don't have a candidate, so convince me to vote for yours... without mentioning other candidates.
September 2, 2016
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King Lucem Ferre said 

…You missed the point of the thread… 
   

Bullshit. And bump.

krunkazphuk said

Noah Fence said 
 So, without mentioning the “opposition”, can you tell me who you support and why?
  

Trump, because for me this election is a choice between establishment and anti-establishment; authoritarianism and libertarianism. He seems the viable anti-establishment, libertarian choice. History class told me that as George Washington left office he told the U.S. to use the Atlantic Ocean as a moat (fix itself before taking on the world.) I see that applying today as well, since our veterans aren’t even cared for properly.

Noah Fence said 
 
What policy proposals of theirs do you support? 
 

His policies are fluid, but here’s the link to his current positions:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Incentivizing companies to stay in the U.S. rather than leave for bottom-line reasons seems like it would be a great economic boost. (Texas does that and companies move here all the time. It works.) Also, I agree that repealing Obamacare and bringing free market principles back to U.S. healthcare will likely broaden healthcare access to those who want it, as well as allow for medical progress in a competitive system. (I find socialism stagnant at best.) Regarding immigration reform, I’m not sold on building a wall because I don’t know how effective it would actually be, but people who want a borderless country AND welfare for anyone who can get here crack me up. This quote from his site seems mostly smart:

“We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.”

Noah Fence said 
 
And, for a more nuanced view, what do you disagree with about the candidate you’ve chosen?  

I disagree with reactionary things I’ve heard him say in the media (for instance him saying he wants to “open up libel laws,” and “be allowed to sue news outlets that publish stories he deems are wrong.”) He’s a human and is capable of throwing tantrums like the rest of us. Some voters don’t like seeing things like that in a candidate, but I don’t mind. And since you asked me not to mention the “opposition,”

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September 2, 2016
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Noah Fence said 
…Oh well. Hopefully someone will come in and save me.  

@Noah Fence

Maybe Dr. Jill Stein (the Green Party candidate) will help you save yourself.

http://www.jill2016.com/

YouTube Video Jill Stein Censored on PBS NewsHour 

<Edit: “… save yourself from shape-shifting lizard bitches.”>

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September 3, 2016
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I really wanted to like Jill Stein but she is anti vax and that bugs me. 

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

September 3, 2016
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Noah Fence said
I really wanted to like Jill Stein but she is anti vax and that bugs me.   

Good news. You might still be able to like her after all. Here’s the link to “Jill Stein for President campaign’s official response to a recent series of attacks in the press that falsely accused Dr. Stein of “pandering” to the anti-vaccination movement.

http://www.jill2016.com/basele…..m_concerns

In summary, “Dr. Jill Stein has repeatedly articulated her support for vaccinations in interviews and online… The conspiracy theory that Dr. Stein is “anti-science” is becoming a bizarre new counterpart of the “birther” controversy that hounded President Obama’s candidacy in 2008.” By her questioning the “US government’s lax regulation of the pharmaceutical industry” it seems she’s been spun as anti-science. “Those who incorrectly label questions about corporate influence over regulators as “anti-science” are disregarding the key scientific principle that absence of proof is not proof of absence. Science is a method of asking questions that doesn’t always provide the comforting certainty that the media demands from politicians.”

I’m really starting to like her. Maybe don’t believe everything (or anything?) you read in Salon.

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September 3, 2016
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Wow, thanks for the info, Krunk. That anti-Vax rumor was also keeping me in the resistance mode.

Jill personally wanted Bernie to run as the head of the Green Party instead of her. That gives her points for me, as well.

I currently will be voting for her. 

September 5, 2016
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Johnson.

(https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues if you interested in reading up. There’s also a solid debate between him and McAfee out there if you’re even more interested. It’s two honest mother fuckers going back and forth on philosophical ideals. Really good shit.)

First and foremost, he’s Libertarian. I disagree with them on a few things but the basic idea that people should do what the fuck they want and you can tell them to fuck off with your wallet seems to be the most fair approach. At least in the system that we have set up.

Specifics:

  • He’s in favor of updating the immigration policies in the U.S. Making it significantly easier to be a legal U.S. citizen. The argument being that the drastic numbers of illegal immigrants in the U.S. is a direct result of our inefficient immigration process. I’m all for completely open borders so it’s a step in the right direction for me. 
  • He’s pro-abortion (pro-choice…whatever) legally despite his personal views, which is something that I really respect about him. Your personal views shouldn’t mean shit when you’re the president. It’s about what the law says, not what you “feel”. I’m all for abortion of any kind. Late-term included, so again, a step in the right direction. 
  • He’s very outspoken against the war on drugs. He recommends legalizing pot outright and making it readily available, treating it the same way that we treat alcohol now. Beyond just pot, he recognizes and plans to remedy how much money and lives we’ve wasted on the war on drugs by stopping it all together and leaving it up to the states to decide what to do with them. 
  • Most extreme to most: he wants to remove the Department of Education. He argues that the reason we’re failing as a country in regards to education is because the federal government is, by definition, unable to handle each and every problem our education system faces. It tries to cover everyone and thus can’t cover anyone. Leave it up to each state to decide what’s best for each state. Think your state should make Spanish a required class? Cool. Go to your statehouse and let them know. You can’t do that now because the federal government makes the call. Not you.

I disagree with him on a few things but the most important one would be that I don’t think medical marijuana should be legalized. Recreational should be but medically, it needs waaaaaaay more testing before it should be considered an alternative to other meds. Specifically, he wants to provide it to military vets with PTSD, which I consider to be potential fuel to the fire. We don’t know exactly how dangerous pot is when mixed with severe mental disabilities (such as stress, depression, psychosis) but what we do know (https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=9YgJDAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=marijuana+and+mental+health&ots=T30oMCMouA&sig=-0hvao62H3wCk30ElMExb4qRDV8#v=onepage&q=marijuana%20and%20mental%20health&f=false) is that there might be an increased risk of danger to someone from smoking it if they’re predisposed to mental illness. For example if they’ve seen their buddies head get blown the fuck off five feet away from them. 

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September 5, 2016
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If you think the feds make the call you have never been to Texas.  Pretty sure we give them the finger almost daily lol. 

On a more serious note I didn’t realize Johnson was pro-choice.  I am very iffy on the pro-choice stuff. I mean if it is rape, incest,underage or athere are obvious issues they see that it will cost the mother their life I can get behind it but I don’t believe in the “oops I fucked up can you coat hanger that shit out of there doc so I can go jump on some more bones tonight” approach. 

People in today’s society have so many ways to avoid contact with reality.  So many ways to avoid taking responsibility for ones own actions. That type of behavior is one of the biggest issues with today’s society.  

Pot legalization. Definitely needs to happen.  My base view is this…. I have seen a lot more terrible things coming from drunks than weed smokers.

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King Lucem Ferre
September 5, 2016
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This is why you can’t get around mentioning other candidates:

 

Then you have the way things should be, but aren’t:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRM1iN-3a4

September 5, 2016
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If you vote for me I will bring GG Allin back from the grave.

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September 5, 2016
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Nyro said
If you vote for me I will bring GG Allin back from the grave.  

Leave him alone u fuckin punk bitch.

YouTube Video ICP-Southwest Voodoo 

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September 5, 2016
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@krunkazphuk I love it when you talk dirty to me.

PS have you and @psyral-infection  decided if your gonna hit the Twiztid show up in October

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September 5, 2016
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Nyro said
@krunkazphuk I love it when you talk dirty to me.

PS have you and @psyral-infection  decided if your gonna hit the Twiztid show up in October  

Not gonna be there, but plan to be at Houston’s Riddle Box show.

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September 6, 2016
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krunkazphuk said

Good news. You might still be able to like her after all. Here’s the link to “Jill Stein for President campaign’s official response to a recent series of attacks in the press that falsely accused Dr. Stein of “pandering” to the anti-vaccination movement.

http://www.jill2016.com/basele…..m_concerns

In summary, “Dr. Jill Stein has repeatedly articulated her support for vaccinations in interviews and online… The conspiracy theory that Dr. Stein is “anti-science” is becoming a bizarre new counterpart of the “birther” controversy that hounded President Obama’s candidacy in 2008.” By her questioning the “US government’s lax regulation of the pharmaceutical industry” it seems she’s been spun as anti-science. “Those who incorrectly label questions about corporate influence over regulators as “anti-science” are disregarding the key scientific principle that absence of proof is not proof of absence. Science is a method of asking questions that doesn’t always provide the comforting certainty that the media demands from politicians.”

I’m really starting to like her. Maybe don’t believe everything (or anything?) you read in Salon.  

I’m glad she is back peddling. I don’t read salon but I did see a speech she gave where she said “all the science isn’t in yet” on whether vaccines cause autism and that’s some bullshit. the science IS in. Her response is better than I’d expected though. Thanks.

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Johnson.

(https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues if you interested in reading up. There’s also a solid debate between him and McAfee out there if you’re even more interested. It’s two honest mother fuckers going back and forth on philosophical ideals. Really good shit.)

First and foremost, he’s Libertarian. I disagree with them on a few things but the basic idea that people should do what the fuck they want and you can tell them to fuck off with your wallet seems to be the most fair approach. At least in the system that we have set up.

Specifics:

  • He’s in favor of updating the immigration policies in the U.S. Making it significantly easier to be a legal U.S. citizen. The argument being that the drastic numbers of illegal immigrants in the U.S. is a direct result of our inefficient immigration process. I’m all for completely open borders so it’s a step in the right direction for me. 
  • He’s pro-abortion (pro-choice…whatever) legally despite his personal views, which is something that I really respect about him. Your personal views shouldn’t mean shit when you’re the president. It’s about what the law says, not what you “feel”. I’m all for abortion of any kind. Late-term included, so again, a step in the right direction. 
  • He’s very outspoken against the war on drugs. He recommends legalizing pot outright and making it readily available, treating it the same way that we treat alcohol now. Beyond just pot, he recognizes and plans to remedy how much money and lives we’ve wasted on the war on drugs by stopping it all together and leaving it up to the states to decide what to do with them. 
  • Most extreme to most: he wants to remove the Department of Education. He argues that the reason we’re failing as a country in regards to education is because the federal government is, by definition, unable to handle each and every problem our education system faces. It tries to cover everyone and thus can’t cover anyone. Leave it up to each state to decide what’s best for each state. Think your state should make Spanish a required class? Cool. Go to your statehouse and let them know. You can’t do that now because the federal government makes the call. Not you.

I disagree with him on a few things but the most important one would be that I don’t think medical marijuana should be legalized. Recreational should be but medically, it needs waaaaaaay more testing before it should be considered an alternative to other meds. Specifically, he wants to provide it to military vets with PTSD, which I consider to be potential fuel to the fire. We don’t know exactly how dangerous pot is when mixed with severe mental disabilities (such as stress, depression, psychosis) but what we do know (https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=9YgJDAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=marijuana+and+mental+health&ots=T30oMCMouA&sig=-0hvao62H3wCk30ElMExb4qRDV8#v=onepage&q=marijuana%20and%20mental%20health&f=false) is that there might be an increased risk of danger to someone from smoking it if they’re predisposed to mental illness. For example if they’ve seen their buddies head get blown the fuck off five feet away from them.   

Fantastic response Celle. I’ll check him out some more. 

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September 6, 2016
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krunkazphuk said

Not gonna be there, but plan to be at Houston’s Riddle Box show.  

Ah that sucks. I saw riddle box on the first leg. Haven’t had a chance to see Twiztid yet but the card looks loaded so it should be fun. 

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September 6, 2016
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Noah Fence said 

…the science IS in…

That’s a dead-end statement to a scientist, since science is a question, not an answer. It’s a process that can always be scrutinized. Here’s a link demonstrating the cycle of scientific observations “constantly changing in light of new research.” 

http://www.newsweek.com/five-f…..ion-443188

Letterman did a great Top Ten joke about this in the 1990s when people were eating crazy amounts of “healthy” oat bran. One of his “Top Ten Headlines of the Year 2000” was “Oat bran: the silent killer.”

Now back to the political discussion:

 

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September 6, 2016
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Regarding Johnson, this video (beyond its reactionary theme) has some useful, consolidated interview footage/sources. In it Johnson says he’s open to considering a carbon tax, pro TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), and possibly in favor of mandatory vaccinations. He even gets triggered around the middle of the video because an interviewer uses the term “illegal immigrants.” Could be the perfect SJW candidate.

YouTube Video Gary Johnson is a Complete Idiot 

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September 6, 2016
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The narrator of the video is obnoxiously biased and makes really strange leaps of judgment. Supporting mandated vaccines is not the same as OMG HE WANTS TO VACCINATE YOUR KIDS AT GUN POINT. jesus christ. lol.

I’m anti TPP. 

Good for him for standing up for undocumented immigrants though. 

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September 6, 2016
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Paul Watson (the narrator) is a shock jock, but I’m in it for the raw footage/data and to laugh at his delivery. He’s a clown with an amazing research team, and I gotta love anyone who Photoshops a tin foil hat onto Hillary.

YouTube Video The Truth About Hillary’s ‘Alt-Right’ Speech 

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krunkazphuk said

Noah Fence said 

…the science IS in…

That’s a dead-end statement to a scientist, since science is a question, not an answer. It’s a process that can always be scrutinized. Here’s a link demonstrating the cycle of scientific observations “constantly changing in light of new research.” 
   

While I fully agree that science is about questioning and is always open to scrutinization, there is a certain point where decisions have to be made regarding public policy. Saying that the “science isn’t in” on whether vaccines cause autism is dangerous and ignorant of what the actual information is that is out there. There is ZERO evidence that vaccines cause autism, and there isn’t even any significant correlation between vaccine usage and autism. The science is a resounding “try asking a different question, this one has been studied and found to be false”. The only link is from a discredited study that not only had a very sloppy methodology and research practices, and even still had to fabricate data. 

So yeah, the science is in. Vaccines, as they exist now, do not have any connection to autism. Vaccines do not work like that, autism doesn’t work like that, the two are as disconnected as plastic floating around in the ocean is from the black plague.

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I choose to keep an open mind and am less interested in public policy and more interested in the next good question. If further studies in autism point away from vaccines, great. If they point back to them, great too. Evaluating the evidence with no expectations makes an experiment an experiment. .

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