King Lucem Ferre said

https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-to-argue-in-bad-faith

Arguing to WIN, regardless of being right or wrong, is to argue in bad faith.
Arguing to ASSERT dominance over another is to argue in bad faith. Arguing in order to GAIN something at another’s expense, to CLIMB some social ladder, to STOKE one’s ego, to belittle, undermine, gaslight, sabotage, manipulate or mislead is to argue in bad faith.

Wow, it's your whole personality and the real reason nobody cares.  

KLF always claims he's not interested in debating me on issues, but then he always makes comment that WARRANT a debate.  He claims he's not interested in debate but then what does he do? He slips a comment or a quote in there that implies I'm incorrect in something I've said and that I'm manipulating something or trying to mislead someone. In other words, he wants the privilege of calling me incorrect, or misleading, and also the privilege to be excused from having to prove it, much less specify WHAT AND WHERE I have done it.

Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle (without justifying the special exception). This is the application of a double standard.

Or they could get off their asses & b 2 busy 2 notice anyone's culture or skin shade. Makers win wars, not takers, boys. Takers just try & roll u then cry when they can't.

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King Lucem Ferre said

I said probably wrong. I don't know cause I didn't watch the video to see what you're talking about.

This is the only video I posted in this topic so far; it was here on page 10.

What do you want us to do about it? Go read racist comments and shake our fists?

I figured if you two are the types to falsely accuse me of being racist or alt-right, you may as well put your money where your mouth or balls allegedly are, and confront some ACTUAL BIGOTRY instead of the phantom bigotry you think is part of my being. LOL.

So Pigg working his way through college and moving to South Korea is him sitting on his ass?

You miss the point of what Krunk said. It falls in line with what I said. If you are on a mission to point out bigotry, don't create it out of thin air - like in my case. Stop constantly projecting or imagining racism when someone says something that isn't necessarily racist or bigoted.

the military that wins OUR evil invasions aren’t privatized they come from tax payers money.

If you're against useless military wars for aggression (not peace) and predatory capitalism that allows money to buy politicians, media, etc. I'M WITH YOU. I'M AGAINST OLIGARCHIES AND MONOPOLIES! You're preaching to the choir. I've been a good anti imperialist since I was a teenager reading Noam Chomsky, Norm Finkelstein, Howard Zinn and William Blum, and a host of others. But because I'm against imperialism and the subjugation of people, I'm also against Islamic Jihad and terrorism. Because you know, I'm consistent. I don't throw my principles out the window just because the aggressors are brown and/or Muslim. I don't reserve my outrage only for white criminals.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said

I said probably wrong. I don't know cause I didn't watch the video to see what you're talking about.

This is the only video I posted in this topic so far; it was here on page 10.

I'm not going to watch it. I'm not interested in it.

What do you want us to do about it? Go read racist comments and shake our fists?

I figured if you two are the types to falsely accuse me of being racist or alt-right, you may as well put your money where your mouth or balls allegedly are, and confront some ACTUAL BIGOTRY instead of the phantom bigotry you think is part of my being. LOL.

For what point? We call out dog whistle bigotry because it's not blatant. Even then it's kind of old hat at this point.

So Pigg working his way through college and moving to South Korea is him sitting on his ass?

You miss the point of what Krunk said. It falls in line with what I said. If you are on a mission to point out bigotry, don't create it out of thin air - like in my case. Stop constantly projecting or imagining racism when someone says something that isn't necessarily racist or bigoted.

That's because you spat out a bigoted view of Muslims equating every Muslim to radical Islam with alt-right sources (Breitbart) that spread fear mongering lies that I systematically disproved and you just kept moving goal posts and creating really desperate stretches because you're not here to discuss ideas honestly you're here to argue in bad faith. Which is sad because I openly gave you the benefit of the doubt because I know you do research. Research doesn't mean shit if it's in bad faith though.

the military that wins OUR evil invasions aren’t privatized they come from tax payers money.

If you're against useless military wars for aggression (not peace) and predatory capitalism that allows money to buy politicians, media, etc. I'M WITH YOU. I'M AGAINST OLIGARCHIES AND MONOPOLIES! You're preaching to the choir. I've been a good anti imperialist since I was a teenager reading Noam Chomsky, Norm Finkelstein, Howard Zinn and William Blum, and a host of others. But because I'm against imperialism and the subjugation of people, I'm also against Islamic Jihad and terrorism. Because you know, I'm consistent. I don't throw my principles out the window just because the aggressors are brown and/or Muslim. I don't reserve my outrage only for white criminals.  

And I've been called a bigot for saying Islam is a hateful religion. Yet you're still arguing against this strawman version of me rather than my actual ideas because I don't think every Muslim trying to get away from radical Islam celebrates Islam the same way.

But hey, if I did call you alt-right, at least I know I'm wrong now.

King Lucem Ferre said

you spat out a bigoted view of Muslims equating every Muslim to radical Islam

Show me a link to a post of mine where I did just that. Otherwise, please rescind this wild accusation. Spare me your irrational conspiratorial attempt to detect "dogwhistles."

I openly gave you the benefit of the doubt because I know you do research.

Don't blame me because of disproportionate Muslim crime in Europe. Blame the criminals and the stats. I mean, that is, if you want to commit the fallacy of shooting the messenger...

I’ve been called a bigot for saying Islam is a hateful religion.

You? You said this? I'm skeptical.

if I did call you alt-right, at least I know I’m wrong now.

Oh if you only knew the venom and HATE that I have for conservative Christians regarding certain issues. I would make you blush...

King Lucem Ferre said
The middle east used to be the hub of mathematic discovery before Islamic imperialism told them that algebra is the devil. You have to wonder where they'd be now if that wouldn't have happened. I you think I'm not critical of Islam because they're brown you're dead wrong.

I'm not sure why you always try to point out "dogwhistles" and complain when I point out their disproportionate crime in Europe that you never actually refuted, if it WASN'T for the fact that they were brown and a minority in a white majority country.

I'm guessing it has to do with history: Blacks got screwed over in white majority America. Therefore ANYTIME a bunch of non whites do something in a white majority land, RUN TO THEIR RESCUE. GET THE GUNS OUT AND CALL EVERYONE ALT-RIGHT! Hell, you just admitted calling someone alt-right is what you did to me. Your behaviour tells me everything.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
The middle east used to be the hub of mathematic discovery before Islamic imperialism told them that algebra is the devil. You have to wonder where they'd be now if that wouldn't have happened. I you think I'm not critical of Islam because they're brown you're dead wrong.

I'm not sure why you always try to point out "dogwhistles" and complain when I point out their disproportionate crime in Europe that you never actually refuted, if it WASN'T for the fact that they were brown and a minority in a white majority country.

I did.

A) The statistics you got from Breitbart, an alt-right website, were plainly wrong. They didn't have legit sources. Every single source linked to another Breitbart article and I spent an hour or two going down that rabbit hole of clicking source links to find nothing. The maps of no go zones were also complete lies proven to have been fabricated by alt-right sources. It is a dog whistle. It's to scare people into hating Muslims with out being overtly bigoted.

B) I provided evidence no go zones don't actually exist and you latched on to the fact that the crime rate is slightly higher (because of various different reasons any zone of immigrants, Muslim or not, has a higher crime rate) as if it proved that Muslims are turning these places into dangerous areas.

I don't remember if you shared it or not, but it's like that weird map that had Muslim rape statistics and they included Muslims getting raped by non Muslims in it.

I'm guessing it has to do with history: Blacks got screwed over in white majority America. Therefore ANYTIME a bunch of non whites do something in a white majority land, RUN TO THEIR RESCUE. GET THE GUNS OUT AND CALL EVERYONE ALT-RIGHT! Hell, you just admitted calling someone alt-right is what you did to me. Your behaviour tells me everything.  

I said if. I honestly don't remember. But the talking point is alt-right for the reasons I pointed out already.

You obviously aren't being honest about my behavior nor my intent and aren't even trying to understand it because you're arguing in bad faith.

You're missing the part where you want to prevent Muslim men to immigrate here based on those fake statistics.

That sounds like imperialistic control to me. If you weren't an imperialist you'd judge folk on a case by case scenario rather than using inflated and false stats to justify discrimination based on religion and gender.

There for the talking point would be alt-right even if majority of your views aren't.

If anything it's one of those inconsistencies or hypocrisies you've desperately been trying to force on to me and Pigg for the past year or so because you're still mad that I proved you wrong because you're not here to discuss ideas you're here to argue in bad faith.

Keep in mind that I admit I was wrong IF I called you alt-right and said you COULD be right about what ever you're babbling about with the youtube video and you've yet to give either of us honest credit where it's do but instead make shit up about our character ironically to poison the well the same way you think I'm doing to you.

King Lucem Ferre said
You're missing the part where you want to prevent Muslim men to immigrate here based on those fake statistics.

You mean correct statistics from pre 2005 that took note of the religion and ethnicity of the perp. You wanted to refute the notion of disproportionate Muslim crime, but you wanted to use POST 2005 studies that DIDN'T RECORD the religion or ethnicity. The very bits of information YOU NEED to refute me.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-6/#p246276

Only reason I’m even engaged with you now is because I think if I could break you out of dishonest and ego driven conversation

If not the disproportionate Muslim rape stats, what do you think I'm lying about now?

Keep in mind that I admit I was wrong IF I called you alt-right and said you COULD be right about what ever you’re babbling about with the youtube video and you’ve yet to give either of us honest credit.

Fair enough. Thank you for admitting I'm not an alt-right person who would like to see a fascist dictatorship in America/Canada instead of democracies and limited republics.