vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
Oslo is one city. You’re cherry picking the one city from 2010 which means it’s also irrelevant.

Now you're moving the goal posts. Previously NO CITY had disproportionate Muslim crime. Now you're making small admissions when I force you to with all the big and bold text I'm bringing back. Secondly, I'm sure it wasn't irrelevant in 2010. Just ask the rape victims!

Actually, I don't think I every said that. I think I said the numbers you were posting were wrong or inflated. I also said that there is a bump of crime but to no significance to justify a Muslim ban.

It also doesn’t specify “muslim”….

It does say FOREIGN BORN and then it lists places of origin:
"The report shows that, of 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin"
Now all we have to do is check the statistics of how many immigrants came from what places. GIVEN THE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, it's pretty obvious where most of it's coming from. However, Islam does reign in Africa as well. And if you'll recall, when the Brits were covering up the Muslim grooming gangs, they didn't say Muslim or middle eastern. They said ASIAN. Now that was pretty racist to throw Chinese and Japanese under the bus.

Oh, I thought it said they were all immigrants. You must have said that. Only half were immigrants of color. None being specified as Muslim just you saying "They're all obviously Muslims, even the Asians because they only say Asian to cover for Muslims." Bad faith arguing. Another sign of dishonesty.

If you want to talk about them covering up migrant crimes I'm with you on that, shit's fucked up.

Foreigners, mainly Muslims, are misbehaving disproportionately.

To no real significance.

Why don't we just ask the Swedes and the Norwegians about that? LOL. No other group of migrants has a tendency to create no go zones.

I disproved no go zones already. These areas were not what you were making them out to be. There are places of poverty, mostly inhabited by immigrants or minorities because they are more prone to poverty, where crime is higher because of poverty. A proven fact that you just deny because you don't like being wrong. They are not "no go zones" like we have here.

How can they be in poverty when they live in apartments and get schooling and tax benefits that drain the government coffers?

There is a lot to really break down on this but I assure you, being as my mom works at a refugee center, that they don’t get luxurious hand outs. Can’t speak for other countries.

That's exactly what you're trying to do by denying no go zones and ignoring disproportionate Muslim crime stats.

I'm talking in regards to welfare, you dunce.

You think they just hand them money?

Yep. They suck up welfare a lot of times.

40% of all Welfare Claimants in Germany are Nonwhite Invader “Refugees”
TNO Staff — September 22, 2019
http://newobserveronline.com/4.....-refugees/
https://www.welt.de/politik/article200708580/Migration-Drei-von-vier-Syrern-erhalten-Hartz-IV.html

 

Leak: 81 Percent of Migrants to Germany Are Unskilled, Government Predicts 400,000 New Welfare Claimants
28 Oct 2015
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2015/10/28/leak-81-per-cent-migrants-germany-unskilled-government-predicts-400000-new-welfare-claimants/

 

350,000 Migrants to Receive Unemployment Benefits as Costs Soar
2 Feb 2016
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2016/02/02/350000-migrants-to-receive-unemployment-benefits-as-costs-soar/  

Do you think getting welfare means you're not impoverished? Are you actually not as smart as I gave you credit for?

Being low skilled workers on welfare is ghetto as fuck. No wonder why they disproportionately commit crime. It's almost as if when you control for socio-economic factors you'd find no difference in crime rates. *gasp* Wait, they did that and you ignore it because it proves you wrong and you're arguing in bad faith.

Who am I to distrust a patriot like Smack?

King Lucem Ferre said

Being low skilled workers on welfare is ghetto as fuck. No wonder why they disproportionately commit crime.

And being taught Jihad as a young man also adds fuel to the fire. You also admit that the economy in places like Sweden and Germany is accepting and has accepted too many unskilled, non European language speaking people and too many of them are soaking up welfare to the detriment of the country. Thank you for making my argument for me that Europe should close it's borders.

I also showed how the European nations with the lowest immigrant rates WERE THE SAFEST PLACES FOR WOMEN. POLAND AND CZECH REPUBLIC.

https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-3/#p246202

But despite that, the majority of rapists in Poland were of immigrant background.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/#p246151

Let me guess, a coincidence, right? LOL.

And yes, many are sucking welfare benefits for nothing. If you're a Jihadi who hates the west, why not go in and take what you can and set up sharia where you can if they are dumb enough to let you in?

I disproved no go zones already. These areas were not what you were making them out to be. There are places of poverty, mostly inhabited by immigrants or minorities because they are more prone to poverty, where crime is higher because of poverty.

You did no such thing. Ambulance workers, police workers and women constantly get harassed in those zones in Sweden and France and other places.

Bar owners that serve alcohol in Denmark and women in France constantly get harassed in no go zones that are dominated by NON EUROPEANS.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246170

Swedish police in the city of Trollhattan were attacked by up to a hundred masked migrant youths armed with sticks and bats during a riot in the Kronogården suburb on Thursday.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246171

Feminists In Sweden Flee ‘No Go’ Zones Overrun With Islamic Refugees
ByJoseph Curl
April 2, 2017
As refugees from Islamic countries pour into Sweden, feminists there have had enough and are fleeing suburbs after a slew of rapes and sexual assaults. Famed feminist Nalin Pekgul, who called attention to the rising insecurity of women in the suburbs, says she now avoids the center of town in Tensta, where she lived for 30 years. And the former Left Party official Zeliha Dagli moved from Husby to the inner city.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246172

What's the matter feminists? This is the multicultural dream you wanted. LOL.

Dogwalker Hospitalised After Attack By Somalian Migrant Who Said ‘Dogs are Unclean’
by Virginia Hale18 Jul 2017
http://www.breitbart.com/londo.....s-unclean/

Retired Swedish Police Chief Says Malmo Crime Skyrocketing Due To Uncontrolled Immigration
By wmw_admin on September 26, 2016
Introduction — Sept 25, 2016
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...../?p=140050

Journalist Forced to Leave Migrant Suburb in Sweden After Being Followed by Masked Men
Left continues to claim ‘no-go’ areas don’t exist
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com – March 1, 2017
https://www.infowars.com/journalist-forced-to-leave-migrant-suburb-in-sweden-after-being-followed-by-masked-men/

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ODw7o34Vdbk

Sweden: Politicians Call for Military Intervention in Migrant No-Go Zones After Police Station Was Bombed
October 23, 2017 Breitbart
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246178

Germany: Surge in Migrant Attacks on Police
By wmw_admin on December 12, 2017
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246181

Merkel admits no go zones exist in Germany

Poland is the safest country for women in Europe after taking in zero migrants and refugees
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246185

How liberals fudge statistics!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze0sK8f48x4#t=8m30s

vinyllover said

Do you think getting welfare means you’re not impoverished? Are you actually not as smart as I gave you credit for?

Being low skilled workers on welfare is ghetto as fuck. No wonder why they disproportionately commit crime. It’s almost as if when you control for socio-economic factors you’d find no difference in crime rates. *gasp* Wait, they did that and you ignore it because it proves you wrong

So, because the study admits that the disproportionate amount of criminals are Muslim, what is that disproving? Because that's my argument. That they're Muslims. Oh I know. If they had more money, they'd adopt western values and stop raping and pushing sharia. Let's just throw more money at them. LOL. Rich whites rape. Poor whites and poor browns don't rape. SO THE MUSLIMS HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING!

What about the Muslims that aren't doing it. Do you have a statistic on how big the immigrant population is compared to the criminal statistics? No? Because it would kind of debunk your point?

So all the Muslims who commit rape and attack people in no go zones are poor? they don't have a roof over their heads, clothes on their back or food in their bellies, school, housing, and religious services. Having LESS money than Swedes doesn't make you intrinsically poor or homeless. Lack of money is NOT AN EXCUSE TO PUSH SHARIA or abuse women and police!

Yeah, actually, the higher crime areas are the poorer areas of these countries. They literally controlled for socio-economic conditions to find that culture makes no difference and you aren't hearing it because you don't care because you're arguing in bad faith.

I don't think it's an excuse. I think those Muslims that do rape and abuse women should be deported &/or punished. Case by case scenario.

Oh so they're pushing sharia law now? Your rapist thing is spotty at best as is but now you're stretching it to sharia law.

Funny how so many well dressed, English speaking Muslims that are not in poverty STILL LIKE THE IDEA OF SHARIA LAW AND THE MAJORITY OF ENGLISH MUSLIMS STILL THINK GAYS SHOULD BE PUT IN JAIL!

First generation immigrants? Sure.

I didn't commit the no true scottsman fallacy, I never said the shit Muslims aren't Muslims. You're the one who's lumping all Muslims in with the shit Muslims. Unless you think the Muslims that don't rape aren't real Muslims. Then it's you who commits the fallacy.

Oops, I guess having more money and stuff doesn't magically make you want to adopt western liberal values.

I don't assume they would. I assume over time living in western countries they'd grow more secular as proven in America where the Muslim population is growing more tolerant of homosexuality. Actually, I know a homosexual that lives in one of these countries and he thinks me saying Islam is trash is bigoted.

Check how anti woman and anti gay Islam is. Smarten up. Pointing out poor economic conditions of SOME, doesn't magically wipe away how the culture they were brought up in teaches misogyny, homophobia, and jihad.

But that's not what happened. They literally controlled for socio-economic conditions to show there is no difference in crime rates. Sure, shit beliefs from a shit culture but essentially I assume many of the Muslims coming here are trying to leave the strictness behind.

If you want to ban Muslim immigration based on the shit doctrine then why not deport Christians too?

Your attempt to distract from jihad and how horribly anti-woman those countries are that they come from due to Islam is disgusting. You're basically suspending your #believewomen hash tag because the perps are brown and Muslim.  

I actually didn't. You're making shit up. I literally said that's the whole reason I'm against banning Muslim immigrants because I want to give them a chance to escape that shit.

Now you've fallen back on making shit up again. Salty ass because you're wrong. Because you argue in bad faith.

No use arguing anymore when you just don't accept the socio-economic angle (though you accept everything else they say... cherry picking)

And when you said I self contradicted by claiming Muslim immigrants won't support shitty Muslim ideas when I said...

First generation immigrants? Sure.

...and...

I don’t assume they would.

(In regards to adopting western liberal values.)

I assume over time living in western countries they’d grow more secular as proven in America where the Muslim population is growing more tolerant of homosexuality.

I also don't think of myself as a martyr for saying Islam is shit. I'm not some psychotic self important egomaniac.

Now quit crying about being wrong.

Like the induction that when you control for socio-economic conditions they don't commit crimes at a higher rate?

(BTW what would help is perhaps paying low skill jobs a living wage and having programs to teach people profitable skills or just abolishing capitalism so they don't have to worry about surviving despite having jobs.)

King Lucem Ferre said
Like the induction that when you control for socio-economic conditions they don't commit crimes at a higher rate?

 

And we're back on the "money and wealth" determines all non sequitor. Which ignores the fact that poor whites and browns and even blacks don't rape and some rich whites do. We know this because the left tells us so THEMSELVES when they bitch about rape culture and white privilege.

It's just like I said, culture only comes into play and gets critiqued when whites do something bad. Not brown foreign Muslims. Their culture is off the hook.

In other words, cultures –  which are systems of beliefs and morals – have nothing to do with a person’s beliefs and moral that guide and underlie their behaviour.

This is literally self contradictory. But it's also KLF's mantra for Muslim criminals. Just not white criminals. He loves to virtue signal and tell lies for a higher purpose.

And remember, you're not pro gay in the west, unless you import a bunch of people from the east who on the majority, are in fact anti gay and want gays in jail.

https://www.hrc.org/news/majority-of-american-muslims-now-support-lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-people

And you'll keep crying about being wrong with your bad faith argument.

King Lucem Ferre said
https://www.hrc.org/news/majority-of-american-muslims-now-support-lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-people

 

And you'll keep crying about being wrong with your bad faith argument.  

Funny how that's not the case in England.

Where did these Muslims come from and how long were they in America? Can we compare that to where the English Muslims came from and how long they were there? Can we have specifics and some detail to explain the difference?

Or are you going to post some American stats as a "refutation" of British Muslim homophobia, as if British and American muslims are the same goddamn thing?

From HRC.org

The survey also revealed that Muslim women are much more accepting of LGB people than their male counterparts, with 63 percent of women supportive compared to 42 percent of men.

WOW. I GUESS MUSLIM MEN IN AMERICA AND MUSLIM MEN IN ENGLAND ARE THE SAME. BUT NOT FOR THE REASONS KLF WANTS YOU TO THINK. HE WANTS YOU TO THINK THEY ARE UNITED IN GAY RIGHTS. TURNS OUT THEY'RE UNITED IN HOMOPHOBIA!

Muslim homophobia majority documented once again. I win.

Since I'm having a good old time destroying his Islamic apologetics, maybe I should do a topic about the disproportionate rate of incest and birth defects that Muslims are responsible for in the west because apparently they just love western values so much that they forgot to abandon THAT part of their culture that STILL EXISTS IN THE EAST!

Oh wait. KLF just made culture irrelevant as something to explain how Muslims behave in the west. How can we blame the west for what Muslims do with other Muslims in Muslim neighbourhoods in the west? How can we say fuck white supremacy on the issue of Islamic incest? LOL.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
https://www.hrc.org/news/majority-of-american-muslims-now-support-lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-people

 

And you'll keep crying about being wrong with your bad faith argument.  

Funny how that's not the case in England.

Where did these Muslims come from and how long were they in America? Can we compare that to where the English Muslims came from and how long they were there? Can we have specifics and some detail to explain the difference?

Or are you going to post some American stats as a "refutation" of British Muslim homophobia, as if British and American muslims are the same goddamn thing?

From HRC.org

The survey also revealed that Muslim women are much more accepting of LGB people than their male counterparts, with 63 percent of women supportive compared to 42 percent of men.

WOW. I GUESS MUSLIM MEN IN AMERICA AND MUSLIM MEN IN ENGLAND ARE THE SAME. BUT NOT FOR THE REASONS KLF WANTS YOU TO THINK. HE WANTS YOU TO THINK THEY ARE UNITED IN GAY RIGHTS. TURNS OUT THEY'RE UNITED IN HOMOPHOBIA!

Muslim homophobia majority documented once again. I win.
Since I'm having a good old time destroying his Islamic apologetics, maybe I should do a topic about the disproportionate rate of incest and birth defects that Muslims are responsible for in the west because apparently they just love western values so much that they forgot to abandon THAT part of their culture that STILL EXISTS IN THE EAST!
Oh wait. KLF just made culture irrelevant as something to explain how Muslims behave in the west. How can we blame the west for what Muslims do with other Muslims in Muslim neighbourhoods in the west? How can we say fuck white supremacy on the issue of Islamic incest? LOL.  

In Britain it's 52% lol.

"Half of all Muslims oppose gay rights so we shouldn't let them immigrate!"

I thought you didn't want them for being rapists which when you control for socio-economic conditions we found that Islamic culture doesn't produce rapists.