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Muslim/Immigrant crime stats that liberals ignore as they betray females
January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

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You mean the immigrant women that you don’t want here

Link and quote from any one of my posts please…  

This whole thread is here as a monument to you being anti-immigration.

vinyllover said
One way would be to close the borders…

Wow.

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

Either you’re really dishonest for some reason, or you are so brain dead that you can’t figure out from the whole tone of this topic that my problem is with the MEN! LOL. MEN are doing the raping. MEN are creating no go zones. MEN are doing the acid attacks. etc. It’s clear who has to go. The women can stay because they aren’t causing problems. Never once did I say ship the women back or use any language saying the women need to go back. The women are VICTIMS of the male OPPRESSORS.

Look at what klf is now getting up to with his quote mining. Look at what he left out! Wanna see what else he left out?

CLEARLY THE MEN AREN’T ADOPTING MORE WESTERN LIBERAL VALUES! The women are telling us this and begging for help. One way would be to close the borders, cleanse the no go zones and immediately arrest and deport any and all Muslims in those no go zones that continue to harass women, whites, police, ambulance, etc.

I’m pro female. I’m anti-misogynist. If the women tell us that Islam is bad for women in the way that the men from their homeland practice it, maybe we should listen to women.

Klf can’t even give me one good reason for ignoring these brown women who are begging the west to keep Islam out. He can’t give me one good reason not to extend #believewomen to brown immigrant women…

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

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You mean the immigrant women that you don’t want here

Link and quote from any one of my posts please…

Either you’re really dishonest for some reason, or you are so brain dead that you can’t figure out from the whole tone of this topic that my problem is with the MEN! LOL. MEN are doing the raping. MEN are creating no go zones. MEN are doing the acid attacks. etc. It’s clear who has to go. The women can stay because they aren’t causing problems. Never once did I say ship the women back or use any language saying the women need to go back. The women are VICTIMS of the male OPPRESSORS.

“Liberals won’t even listen to women who come from that side of the world, warning how bad it is and asking the west to please close the borders to keep the men out that they fled. What happened to “believe all women.”? Come on, regressive white liberals, where are you? I guess we don’t listen to brown women? Is that right, liberals? What are you, racist against brown women? ” – vinyllover  

^Strawman.

I think klf is slowly proving he doesn’t actually know what a strawman is and what sarcastic rhetoric or even a reductio ad absurdum is.  

You actually didn’t specify a gender any where I saw. You just said ‘Muslims’ so it’s not a strawman, it’s you moving the goalpost.

Just like you backpedal your strawman arguments as ‘just jokes, guys’. You’re just acting pathetic about it, now.

January 6, 2020
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King Lucem Ferre said

You actually didn’t specify a gender any where I saw. You just said ‘Muslims’ so it’s not a strawman,

Since Muslim could mean, “man” or “woman” that means that Muslim was NOT RIGIDLY DEFINED ENOUGH to apparently eliminate confusion from your tiny brain. As I said the tone of my topic and the source of my anger was MUSLIM MEN COMMITTING CRIMES. The fact that EARLY ON I posted articles talking about Muslim women feeling betrayed at the west letting in more Muslim misogynist men,

IT WAS OBVIOUS I HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH THE WOMEN. SO YOU ARE JUST DEBATING IN BAD FAITH ON PURPOSE! YOU CLAIMED I WANTED THE WOMEN SENT BACK AND YOU FAILED TO PROVE IT. NOW YOU’RE JUST MAKING STUFF UP TRYING TO COVER YOUR ASS!

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

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Either you’re really dishonest for some reason, or you are so brain dead that you can’t figure out from the whole tone of this topic that my problem is with the MEN! LOL. MEN are doing the raping. MEN are creating no go zones. MEN are doing the acid attacks. etc. It’s clear who has to go. The women can stay because they aren’t causing problems. Never once did I say ship the women back or use any language saying the women need to go back. The women are VICTIMS of the male OPPRESSORS.

Look at what klf is now getting up to with his quote mining. Look at what he left out! Wanna see what else he left out?

I just got to it before the edit.

CLEARLY THE MEN AREN’T ADOPTING MORE WESTERN LIBERAL VALUES! The women are telling us this and begging for help. One way would be to close the borders, cleanse the no go zones and immediately arrest and deport any and all Muslims in those no go zones that continue to harass women, whites, police, ambulance, etc.

Actually, Pigg kind of proved that all of Islam is adopting more Western values in America.

I’m pro female. I’m anti-misogynist.

Text book virtue signaling.

If the women tell us that Islam is bad for women in the way that the men from their homeland practice it, maybe we should listen to women.

Are all Muslim women saying this?

Klf can’t even give me one good reason for ignoring these brown women who are begging the west to keep Islam out.

I never said to ignore them. Another strawman. Again, are all Muslim women saying this?

He can’t give me one good reason not to extend #believewomen to brown immigrant women…  

I’m sure there are plenty of brown immigrant women that would want their sons and husbands to come with them. Are you going to ignore them?

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vinyllover said

“Liberals won’t even listen to women who come from that side of the world, warning how bad it is and asking the west to please close the borders to keep the men out that they fled. What happened to “believe all women.”? Come on, regressive white liberals, where are you? I guess we don’t listen to brown women? Is that right, liberals? What are you, racist against brown women? ” – vinyllover  

^Strawman.

I think klf is slowly proving he doesn’t actually know what a strawman is and what sarcastic rhetoric or even a reductio ad absurdum is.  

 

A strawman SPECIFICALLY is an argument that one is responding to, but it’s not an argument the other side actually makes.

Therefore, When I use phraseology like “liberals won’t even listen to women…” that is not actually a strawman argument because I’m not accusing anyone of making said statement. When I speak like this, it’s a CRITICISM of someone’s SELECTIVE approach to data and knowledge. In other words, it’s a critique of their epistemology.

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
You actually didn’t specify a gender any where I saw. You just said ‘Muslims’ so it’s not a strawman,

Since Muslim could mean, “man” or “woman” that means that Muslim was NOT RIGIDLY DEFINED ENOUGH to apparently eliminate confusion from your tiny brain. As I said the tone of my topic and the source of my anger was MUSLIM MEN COMMITTING CRIMES. The fact that EARLY ON I posted articles talking about Muslim women feeling betrayed at the west letting in more Muslim misogynist men,

IT WAS OBVIOUS I HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH THE WOMEN. SO YOU ARE JUST DEBATING IN BAD FAITH ON PURPOSE! YOU CLAIMED I WANTED THE WOMEN SENT BACK AND YOU FAILED TO PROVE IT. NOW YOU’RE JUST MAKING STUFF UP TRYING TO COVER YOUR ASS!  

No, when you say ‘Muslims’ with out specifying a gender it’s only common sense and completely rational to assume you mean Muslims as a whole. Because why wouldn’t you just say Muslim men if you meant Muslim men?

January 6, 2020
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King Lucem Ferre said

No, when you say ‘Muslims’ with out specifying a gender it’s only common sense and completely rational to assume you mean Muslims as a whole.

Wrong.

What is NOT rational is to assume that I’m so irrational that I think that just because men misbehave, the women should also leave! That’s YOUR mistake. That’s YOUR strawman. LOL.

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

 

A strawman SPECIFICALLY is an argument that one is responding to, but it’s not an argument the other side actually makes.

Therefore, When I use phraseology like “liberals won’t even listen to women…” that is not actually a strawman argument because I’m not accusing anyone of making said statement. When I speak like this, it’s a CRITICISM of someone’s SELECTIVE approach to data and knowledge. In other words, it’s a critique of their epistemology.  

It’s a strawman because you’re misrepresenting their views.

The only reason you even include it in a discussion where it’s unnecessary is because you’re trying to tie my view point in with that one. AKA, strawman me. Now you’re just backpedaling from it. Tisk tisk.

January 6, 2020
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King Lucem Ferre said

It’s a strawman because you’re misrepresenting their views.

Wrong again.

 
 
noun: strawman
1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.
“her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach”
 
 
 
noun: proposition; plural noun: propositions
 
1.
a statement or assertion that expresses a judgment or opinion.
“the proposition that all men are created equal”
 
 
When I use phraseology like “liberals won’t even listen to women…” that is not actually a strawman argument because I’m not accusing anyone of making said statement. When I speak like this, it’s a CRITICISM of someone’s SELECTIVE approach to data and knowledge. In other words, it’s a critique of their epistemology. There is a difference between WHAT someone argues, and HOW they debate.
 
 
 
noun: epistemology
1. the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope
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vinyllover said
Wrong.

No, it’s hilariously true.

What is NOT rational is to assume that I’m so irrational that I think that just because men misbehave, the women should also leave!

But you didn’t clarify that until now. So rationally when you say Muslims rather than Muslim men I’d assume you mean all Muslims.

That’s YOUR mistake.

No, it’s 100% your mistake for not making it clear in the first place.

That’s YOUR strawman.

I’m not sure it counts as a strawman when the assumption is completely justified.

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said

It’s a strawman because you’re misrepresenting their views.

Wrong again.

Right again.

noun: strawman
1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.
“her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach”
Wow, this is exactly what you did to liberals with that statement. OMG. Also what you did to both me and Pigg then backpedaled by saying it was satire. OMG.
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You do realize that because I was vauge and only used the word “Muslims” went venting my wrath, that VAGUENESS ITSELF means that a judgment about what I must have meant CAN’T BE MADE EITHER WAY. lol So since it can’t be determined either way how I felt about Muslim women based on language alone, that means that what you just said is wrong.

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King Lucem Ferre said

Wow, this is exactly what you did to liberals with that statement. OMG.
  

Wrong again:

When I use phraseology like “liberals won’t even listen to women…” that is not actually a strawman argument because I’m not accusing anyone of making said proposition. I never accused any liberal of saying the proposition, “I don’t listen to immigrant brown women in Europe.” or “they shouldn’t be listen to.”

But if you want proof that people are neglecting to listen to arab women in Europe saying Islam is a problem, please stop ignoring it, just look at yourself. You dodged posts 12 and 19 from me. Don’t get mad just because I peg you correctly.

January 6, 2020
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vinyllover said
You do realize that because I was vauge and only used the word “Muslims” went venting my wrath, that VAGUENESS ITSELF means that a judgment about what I must have meant CAN’T BE MADE EITHER WAY. lol So since it can’t be determined either way how I felt about Muslim women based on language alone, that means that what you just said is wrong.  

That is one hell of a stretch in logic. Just admit you should’ve been more specific, you just look irrationally desperate here.

Now obviously some redneck confederate flag waver will probably say get the women out too, but not me.

lol

I don’t agree, but yeah, it’s only half as bigoted. Or twice as bigoted. 

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You do realize that because I was vauge and only used the word “Muslims” went venting my wrath, that VAGUENESS ITSELF means that a judgment about what I must have meant CAN’T BE MADE EITHER WAY.

That is one hell of a stretch in logic.

Nope. Just because others may use vague language to target men and women, that doesn’t prove as a matter of indisputable logic (like saying A is A) that I am/was. That’s your mistaken assumption.

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vinyllover said
…Muslim women…

lol So Awesome It Hurts:

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krunkazphuk said

vinyllover said
…Muslim women…

lol So Awesome It Hurts:

YyxAsNQ.jpgImage Enlarger

  

Are you suggesting that Muslim men can be misogynist by posting that picture with a Muslim women being forced to cover herself?

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vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said

Wow, this is exactly what you did to liberals with that statement. OMG.
  

Wrong again:

When I use phraseology like “liberals won’t even listen to women…” that is not actually a strawman argument because I’m not accusing anyone of making said proposition. 

But you are. You’re accusing liberals as a whole.

I never accused any liberal of saying the proposition, “I don’t listen to immigrant brown women in Europe.” or “they shouldn’t be listen to.”

They don’t have to overtly said they said this to misrepresent their views.

But if you want proof that people are neglecting to listen to arab women in Europe saying Islam is a problem, please stop ignoring it, just look at yourself.

You’re not an Arab women as far as I know. I acknowledge Islam is a problem too. So this is a strawman.

You dodged posts 12 and 19 from me.

Not because I don’t listen to Arab women (lol) but because you’re boring, repetitive and proven to be a shitty person to discuss things with. A lot of the things you say I don’t address I have which goes back to

the inevitable cycle of “You didn’t address this!” “But I did, right here, you just ignored it!”

Don’t get mad just because I peg you correctly.  

Nah, you strawmaned me, tried to backpedal the strawman as satire and now you’re backpedaling the satire angle to say that I’m just mad because the strawman is true. You really are desperately splitting hairs on this now. This is funny to me.

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vinyllover said

You do realize that because I was vauge and only used the word “Muslims” went venting my wrath, that VAGUENESS ITSELF means that a judgment about what I must have meant CAN’T BE MADE EITHER WAY.

That is one hell of a stretch in logic.

Nope. Just because others may use vague language to target men and women, that doesn’t prove as a matter of indisputable logic (like saying A is A) that I am/was. That’s your mistaken assumption.  

So when I say I hate all humans it’s your fault for not knowing that I meant only the men.

Nah, definitely a stretch.

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