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Muslim/Immigrant crime stats that liberals ignore as they betray females
December 28, 2019
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I welcome people fleeing conservative extremist Islam for something less oppressive.

You’re thinking of the women and gays and atheists. Turns out, we don’t have a good enough system for keeping out the bad guys. We’ve seen the results. Actually, Europe’s women and gays have. Clearly the system is broken and weak. I say: No more immigration for now and start sending back any Muslims that harass police and ambulance in no go zones. The no go zones need to be cleansed and dissolved to make the streets safer for girls, gays and atheists.

December 28, 2019
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King Lucem Ferre said
I welcome people fleeing conservative extremist Islam for something less oppressive.

Classic bleeding heart, regressive liberal.

 

I don’t welcome conservative extremist anything.

Unless it’s Islam of course. LOL.

December 28, 2019
1:11 am
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vinyllover said

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 they can’t show where in Judeo-Christian liberal western countries that Jews and Christians are engaging in acid attacks, first cousin incest and chopping little girls’ clits due to religion. It doesn’t exist. Muslims seem to be the only immigrants that do this shit.

Show me a quote from:

1. The Old Testament.
2. The New Testament.
3. The Jewish Babylonia Talmud.
4. The Tolduth Yeshu.
5. The Shulkan Aruch
which says Christians and/or Jews should chop little girls’ clits.  

Ladies and gentlemen, in this exhibit I’d also like to point out that there is also no quote in the Quran that says this either.

In fact,  the tradition of FGM in Islam comes from interpretations of things that Mohammad has said and is still debated among scholars.

December 28, 2019
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KFL has dodged my challenge to find anything in the texts of Christianity or Judaism that endorses FGM. He dodged it because he knows it doesn’t exist. WHICH MEANS that his original problem with me that I allegedly said Christians don’t practice FGM is the WRONG ARGUMENT. Which means a mere mention of a few Christians that do it in America is a RED HERRING FALLACY. Because what I ACTUALLY was talking about was religious texts.

Now that KFL has to hang his head in shame about that misdirection on his part, we can deal with the texts of Islam. He is about to get taught another lesson by yours truly. FGM IS in Islam. In fact Mohammad RECOMMENDED IT. However, he did NOT go so far as to chopping out the clitoris. There is merely trimming or cutting the prepuce, and there is actual removal of the clitoris itself. First, Mohammad recommending it. Click the David Packman video at around 11 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=E9RmAo6XVAA#t=11m0s

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I am forced to accept that the above mentioned Islamic source that says circumcision is obligatory as an authentic Islamic source. Even though it’s right here and the author is right here.

Let’s see a David Wood video.

Let’s see the Islamic source he used.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/60314/circumcision-of-girls-and-some-doctors-criticism-thereof
The conclusion:


it is clear that the fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that circumcision is prescribed for both males and females, and in fact the majority of them are of the view that it is obligatory for both. No one said that it is not prescribed or that it is makrooh or haraam.

Now what relation does the Hadith have to the Koran or Islamic law in general? That’s easy:

While the number of verses pertaining to law in the Quran is relatively few, ahadith give direction on everything from details of religious obligations (such as Ghusl or Wudu, ablutions[4] for salat prayer), to the correct forms of salutations[5] and the importance of benevolence to slaves.[6] Thus the “great bulk” of the rules of Sharia (Islamic law) are derived from ahadith, rather than the Qur’an.[7]

[7] An-Nawawi, Riyadh As-Salihin, 1975: p.229

Muhyi ad-Din Abu Zakariyya Yahya bin Sharaf an-Nawawi (1975). Riyadh as-Salihin [Gardens of the Righteous]. Mauhammad Zafulla Khan, translator. New York: Olive Branch Press. Retrieved 18 May 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

In other words, Islam is like Judaism. The Hadith is an extra source to the Koran like the Talmud of the rabbis is an extra source to the Pentateuch. Extra oral traditions imposed upon a book and then elevated to the status of, or even above, the original written book.

December 28, 2019
1:28 am
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Ladies and gentlemen, as per the usual, Vinyl intentionally misses any point I make.

 

I hang my head high now when I’m right. I will also hang my head high if out of some miracle I’m proven wrong because I’m not insecure about being wrong.

December 28, 2019
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King Lucem Ferre said

 I’m going to defend the immigrants trying to flee it.  

immigrants

not 

migrants

once again let me drop 100,000 of them all at once and make it illegal for you to question it 

that’s happening here and now in Canada 

TAKE CANADA BACK

December 28, 2019
1:38 am
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the_great_white_smack said

immigrants

not 

migrants

once again let me drop 100,000 of them all at once and make it illegal for you to question it 

that’s happening here and now in Canada   

Wait, so are you going to go to jail if they find this post?

December 28, 2019
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King Lucem Ferre said

Wait, so are you going to go to jail if they find this post?  

don’t be surprised if I do

TAKE CANADA BACK

December 28, 2019
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vinyllover said

Pigg said
Vinyl do you have any sources that AREN’T non-credible blogs, far right think tanks, far right news sites, or conspiracy sites?
 
As I was skimming I saw:
Gateston Institute (a far right think tank known for its anti-islam articles)
Breitbart (a far right news site that has posted factually inaccurate information)

Do you have anything besides baseless slander and ad hominem fallacies designed to poison the well? How about something real.  

Nice deflection. Calling out unreliable sources for being unreliable is not ad hominem attacks or poisoning the well. 

 

The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as anti-Muslim,[a][12] regularly publishes false reports to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[20][2]and has published false stories pertaining to Muslims and Islam.[17][24][12] Gatestone frequently warns of a looming “jihadist takeover” and “Islamization” of Europe, leading to a “Great White Death”.[13]

 

Breitbart uses sensational emotionally loaded language in their headlines such as “Obama Loses 2 Million+ Followers During Twitter Fake Account Purge.” They utilize sources such as tabloid entertainment magazine Variety, and credible sources such as Bloomberg.as well as factually mixed sources such as the Daily Mail. Under the Big Hollywood section they publish tabloid stories such as “Fashion Notes: Melania Trump is Posh and Proper for Final Day in England” utilizing fashion sources such as farfetch.com

2014 Pew Research Survey found that 7% of Breitbart’s audience is consistently or mostly liberal, 14% Mixed and 79% consistently or mostly conservative. This indicates that Breitbart is heavily preferred by a more conservative audience.

In general, the majority of published stories favor the right and are highly pro-Trump in tone and story selection.

factual search reveals numerous failed fact checks by IFCN Fact Checkers. Here are just a few of many as an example:

Overall, we rate Breitbart Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, publication of conspiracy theories and propaganda as well as numerous false claims. (M. Huitsing 7/14/2018) Updated (10/30/2019)

Baseless, slander, right?

December 28, 2019
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vinyllover said

vinyllover said
 they can’t show where in Judeo-Christian liberal western countries that Jews and Christians are engaging in acid attacks, first cousin incest and chopping little girls’ clits due to religion. It doesn’t exist. Muslims seem to be the only immigrants that do this shit.

Show me a quote from:

1. The Old Testament.
2. The New Testament.
3. The Jewish Babylonia Talmud.
4. The Tolduth Yeshu.
5. The Shulkan Aruch
which says Christians and/or Jews should chop little girls’ clits.  

– FGM is found among both Muslim and Christian communities. It is also practised by followers of some indigenous religions. People often believe FGM is required by religion, but it is not mentioned in the Koran or Bible.

 

Also, you do realize that male circumcision is genital mutilation as well, right? Circumcision is an incredibly common practice yet we think nothing of it because it is normalized.

December 28, 2019
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Thankfully my genitalia looks mutilated but it’s not.

YOU KNOW THEY AINT NO SUCH THING AS LEFTOVER CRACK!!!- Leftover Crack

December 28, 2019
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My wang is so big that I need to set up an appointment for a penis reduction. 

 

I met a gal whose friend pays her to allow her to defile money with her anti-circumcision stamps. I’ve seen about 5 of them so far.

December 28, 2019
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Maybe this Somali-born American warrior who, as a child had her genitals mutilated by Muslims, will shine some sanity on the fucktardery coming from these mama’s boys:

YouTube Video Is Islam a Religion of Peace?

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December 28, 2019
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Pigg said

Nice deflection. Calling out unreliable sources for being unreliable is not ad hominem attacks or poisoning the well. 

 

The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as anti-Muslim,[a][12] regularly publishes false reports to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[20][2]and has published false stories pertaining to Muslims and Islam.[17][24][12]

Footnote 20.
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-gatestone-institute-muslim-refugees-2018-3?r=UK

Extract:
“The Intercept reported that Gatestone has occasionally published inaccurate and misleading information about refugees, including the false notion of “no-go zones” in parts of Europe where some believe local governments enforce Sharia law.”

So wait? There is not ONE SINGLE NO GO ZONE anywhere in Europe? Not even Sweden? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I have already refuted that garbage in this topic. I listen to the police, ambulance, firefighters, and women that have experienced harassment in Muslim majority neighbourhoods.

Extract:
“An archive of stories focused on “Europe’s migrant crisis” show how writers at the institute regularly stoke anti-immigrant fervor with article headlines like “Muhammad is the Future of Europe,” “Germany: Should Migrants Integrate?” and “Refugees or an Occupation Army?””

WOW. IMAGINE THE NERVE SUGGESTING THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD BECOME MORE SECULAR OR PUT THEIR RELIGION IN THEIR BACK POCKET! This is not an argument or a refutation of anything. It shows that the author doesn’t like certain article titles. 

Footnote 17.
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/

“Just this week, the Gatestone Institute published stories claiming that the “mostly Muslim male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East” in Germany are fueling a “migrant rape crisis” and that “Muslim mass-rape gangs” are transforming the United Kingdom into “an Islamist Colony.””

This is a fact and I already proved this going back to page one, and I had to remind KFL here on page 6 what he was dodging, and what you now Pigg, are apparently ignoring. The funny thing that nobody wants to touch is how the European countries like Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic who have NOT taken in massive immigrants HAVE THE LOWEST CRIME RATES! It’s what people avoid talking about that also shows what their agenda is. Next source!

Footnote 24.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hannahallam/trump-republicans-bashing-muslims-without-repercussions

Excerpt:
“People try to make someone not American because of the religion they follow, the way that they dress, the way they look, and that’s exactly the discrimination that led to the incarceration of Japanese Americans,” Inoue said. “The difference now is that there are enough of us who recognize the threat and are willing to stand together. Back then, there really weren’t others to stand with us on a national stage and say, ‘This is wrong.’

[…]

Only a couple of incidents with Democratic politicians could be found, including one involving David Bowers, a Virginia mayor who apologized for citing the internment of Japanese Americans in his defense of limiting refugee resettlement. He was also removed from a Clinton campaign committee.”

This was the wrong argument to make. He should have cited disproportionate rape stats from Europe, and also mentioned how Muslim immigrants are the VAST MAJORITY of clit choppers with the exception of one or two small Christian cults whose activity in numbers PALES IN COMPARISON!

“BuzzFeed News found incidents involving Republicans since 2015 in every state but Utah, where in 2010 a state representative introduced (and later withdrew) anti-Sharia legislation, a tactic pushed by anti-Muslim organizations such as ACT for America. The count included anti-Muslim language in speeches and on social media as well as policies and legislation intended to block Muslim immigration and mosque-building projects.”

White people need to respect the constitution and abide by it and try not to overthrow it, but Muslims get a pass. Typical bleeding heart bullshit. Sharia DOESN’T TOLERATE RELIGIOUS PLURALITY OR WOMENS’ RIGHTS OR SAFETY OF HOMOSEXUALS! Not one liberal can find me ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY which has the same religious tolerance and separation of church and state as enshrined in the constitution, nor can they cite ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY whose culture is as accepting of women’s liberation and homosexual rights.Therefore, this article is just whining and bitching with no counters to the stats I have cited about Muslim misbehaviour in Europe.

“In 2016, New Hampshire lawmaker Kenneth Weyler said giving public benefits to “any person or family that practices Islam is aiding and abetting the enemy.” Also in 2016, Jason Rapert, a state senator in Arkansas, said on Facebook that Muslims “wait for every opportunity to convert Americans to Islam or kill the infidels — that is what their holy book the Koran instructs them to do.” In the same year, Florida lawmaker Tom Goodson asked a CAIR official who’d been lobbying against a bill aimed at refugees whether it was safe to ride the elevator with her. Goodson later said he was joking, but the CAIR official, Laila Abdelaziz, wrote on Facebook that the encounter was “not funny. It hurt.””

The reasons Muslims ain’t doin’ shit is because they’re the minority now. They know they can’t piss off Americans that love their constitution and separation of church and state. The militias will NOT TOLERATE any enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC trying to take away their constitutional rights.

In all that blurb, NOT ONE EXAMPLE OF A FALSE NEWS STORY ABOUT MIGRANT RAPE FROM GATESTONE INSTITUTE WAS GIVEN! So yeah, big fail! The attack on Breitbart is stupid because THEY AREN’T THE SOURCES of government studies that show Muslim misbehaviour at a disproportionate level in Europe. The European governments are. This was avoided and the article launched into red herrings about other times their conservative bias got in the way.

Shouting “bias” is not an argument. Showing stats is. And I’ve clearly won that argument.

December 28, 2019
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krunkazphuk said
Maybe this Somali-born American warrior who, as a child had her genitals mutilated by Muslims, will shine some sanity on the fucktardery coming from these mama’s boys:

YouTube Video Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  

Liberal retort:
Those aren’t real Muslims.

LOL.

December 28, 2019
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Pigg, or any of his sources are free at ANY TIME, to show WHICH of all the news stories cited here are false.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape
Because it’s one thing to simple claim that Gatestone makes things up, but it’s another to actually take the time and necessary paragraphs to actually prove it with some examples. Of course, said evidence was lacking. I notice of course nobody wants to acknowledge the news articles collected by other sites like voiceofeurope. No, those get the silent treatment. Maybe those who talk shit about Gatestone don’t want to be batting 0-2 if they try to lie and claim voiceofeurope also just makes up articles out of thin air.

December 28, 2019
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Let’s jam out to these articles cuz they’re “TRUER NOW THAN EVER!..”

YouTube Video Miles sings: “I really, really, like you, refugees!”

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December 28, 2019
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I can refute this one, folks: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape

It’s an opinion piece. If you notice at the bottom the website literally says that these views do not reflect the views of the site as a whole.

I tried to find sources on the statistics given and there were zero. The only source was a link to a different article written by the same exact person giving the same exact statistics with absolutely zero sources to back it up there either.

Of course the case by case breakdown of migrants sexually assaulting people doesn’t matter because they of course are only focusing on migrant sexual assault and not showing the bigger picture AKA throwing a dart and drawing a circle around it.

 

So what conclusion can we draw from this, ladies and gentlemen? Vinyl is taking what ever info he can to back up his bigoted view with out checking the reliability of the claims that are made. Then completely ignoring any information that refutes his bullshit. He’s not some intellectual highly researched voice of reason, he’s a lazy bigot desperately searching for any evidence to back his bigoted views.

 

That’s not dismissing it because I don’t like it. That’s me proving why it’s unreliable.

December 28, 2019
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King Lucem Ferre said
I can refute this one, folks: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape

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I tried to find sources on the statistics given and there were zero. The only source was a link to a different article written by the same exact person giving the same exact statistics with absolutely zero sources to back it up there either.

KLF thinks a refutation means he can’t find confirmation. Could it be because he isn’t looking? Or his eyes are closed on purpose? Let’s check out a claim he thinks is wrong:

Only one in 10 rapes in Germany is reported and just 8% of rape trials result in convictions, according to Minister of Justice Heiko Maas.
 

I always though rape was heavily under-reported. KLF says otherwise. Okay. Let him show why the Minister of Justice is wrong or lying. How about this?

Up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, the head of the Association of Criminal Police.

I await proof from KLF that Schulz is a liar or honestly misled.

“There are strict instructions from the top not to report offenses committed by refugees. It is extraordinary that certain offenders are deliberately NOT being reported about and the information is being classified as confidential.” — High-ranking police official in Frankfurt, quoted in Bild.

It’s obvious KLF doesn’t want to believe this. Even though we have plenty of examples of police DISCOURAGING female victims from reporting rapes from migrants already quoted in this long topic over several pages.  Let’s see what else KLF claims he can refute, but hasn’t actually:

Three rape cases did make it into Germany’s national media in July:

  • On July 24, a 40-year-old migrant from Eritrea raped a 79-year-old woman in a cemetery in Ibbenbüren. The woman, who lives in a local nursing home, was visiting the grave of her late sister at 6AM when the attack occurred. The migrant, who has been living as a refugee in Germany since 2013, was arrested at the scene. He is unlikely to be deported, however, because Eritrea is considered a conflict zone.
  • On July 14, it emerged that one of the women raped by Muslim sex mobs in Cologne on New Year’s Eve became pregnant. She failed to report the attack to police because she felt ashamed.
  • On July 3, a 24-year-old woman raped by three migrants in Mannheim in January admitted that she lied about the identity of the rapists. Selin Gören, a Turkish-German woman, initially said that her attackers were German nationals, when in fact they were Muslim migrants.

I’m so confused as to what KLF is refuting. BECAUSE HE ISN’T TELLING ME WHAT IS WRONG OR FAKED OR FORGED!  Hell this story has PLENTY OF EXAMPLES of suppressing migrant assaults. KLF is just a coward who won’t quote them and he wants to pretend they don’t exist.

The reforms, which are designed to make it easier for victims of sexual assault to file criminal complaints, are unlikely to end Germany’s migrant rape epidemic. This is because Germany’s politically correct justice system is notoriously lenient when it comes to prosecuting, sentencing and deporting foreign offenders.

At the same time, reliable statistics on sex crimes committed by migrants are notoriously elusive. German authorities have repeatedly been accused of underreporting the true scale of the crime problem in the country. For example, up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, the head of the Association of Criminal Police (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK).

On February 25, the newspaper, Die Welt, reported that authorities in the German state of Hesse were suppressing information about migrant-related crimes, ostensibly due to a “lack of public interest.”

On January 24, Die Welt reported that the suppression of data about migrant criminality is a “Germany-wide phenomenon.” According to Rainer Wendt, the head of the German police union (Deutschen Polizeigewerkschaft, DPolG), “Every police officer knows he has to meet a particular political expectation. It is better to keep quiet [about migrant crime] because you cannot go wrong.”

On January 22, the newsmagazine, Focus, reported that the Federal Anti-Discrimination Agency (Antidiskriminierungsstelle des Bundes, ADS) put pressure on police in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) to remove a reference to “North African criminal groups” in a press release. According to Focus, the ADS wrote: “There is a danger that people from these countries are placed under a general suspicion. We encourage you to delete the reference to the North African origin from the press release.” NRW Police later removed the offending words because “it could not be excluded that our formulation in the press release could be misunderstood as a discriminatory statement.” The original article by Focus has since been removed from the magazine’s webpage.

On January 8, the newspaper, Bild, published an article titled, “Are the Police Being Prohibited from Telling the Truth?” The paper quoted a high-ranking police official in Frankfurt, who said:

“There are strict instructions from the top not to report offenses committed by refugees. Only direct requests from media representatives regarding specific crimes should be answered. … It is extraordinary that certain offenders are deliberately NOT being reported about and the information is being classified as confidential (nicht pressefrei).”

Meanwhile, Boris Palmer, the “progressive” mayor of Tübingen, thinks he has found a solution to the problem of migrants who are raping German women and children in public swimming pools. He wants migrants to become swimming pool superintendents. In a Facebook post, Palmer wrote: “Our municipality has embraced a great prevention and integration measure. We have a Syrian lifeguard who can make known in Arabic and with authority what behavior is allowed and what is not.”

Palmer’s first hire is a 24-year-old Syrian named Aiham Shalghin. In an interview with Schwäbisches Tagblatt, Shalghin portrayed migrants as the victims of their circumstances: “Many male refugees have never before swum with women. In Syria, most public swimming pools are separated by gender. Men do not want to see women in swimming attire.”

HELL THERE ARE EVEN LINKS TO THE STORIES BACKING UP THE CLAIMS OF SUPPRESSING MIGRANT CRIMES!

KLF ignores what is in front of him. It’s obvious by now.

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King Lucem Ferre said

Of course the case by case breakdown of migrants sexually assaulting people doesn’t matter

Um, yes it does matter. In fact it matters so much to you, that you CLAIM YOURSELF THAT IT’S A LIE that migrants are raping disproportionate to their population compared with the native Europeans in places like Germany and Sweden. So yeah it does matter to you. Stop lying and flip flopping.

… because they of course are only focusing on migrant sexual assault and not showing the bigger picture AKA throwing a dart and drawing a circle around it.
 

Yes, they ARE focusing on the migrant assault AND THEY ARE FINDING MORE RAPE PER CAPITA! So in fact the whole picture IS covered. You are lying and just playing word games. We can see it also in how you dodge how the countries that didn’t take in mass amounts of refugees DON’T HAVE THE RAPE, VIOLENCE AND NO GO ZONE PROBLEMS that Sweden, Germany and other places do. For some strange coincidental reason, Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic are better places for women to be. Gee, I wonder why…

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