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Politics anyone?
January 25, 2016
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86 said
Yikes. This thread got hostile. Which reminds me of something my mother told me: “Never discuss your political or religious beliefs with anyone. Because that conversation will lead to a bitter argument every time”. 

I always discuss politics and religion. Unless I know it’s bothering somebody, then I’ll stop. Other than that it’s some of the best conversations to have.

 

I’ll try to leave Lupe Fiasco’s word for Philosophy Sunday here.

 

Dialectic: a discource between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned arguments.

January 25, 2016
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InSainn said
… I don’t see how juggalos support Republican…

Since my previous post was overlooked by most, I am reposting it. Juggalos can support the Republican ideal. But remember there is a difference between Republican and GOP.

Psyral Infection said
100% Republican. … But not the Republican idea that is seen today. I believe in the traditional Plato defined Republican ideal. As defined, a Republican represents the views of his constituency. In a Republican system, power is at the bottom and representation is at the top. As one climbs the political hierarchy, power is lost and the person becomes a representations of the people and their views. Therefore a true Republican can be pro life or pro choice or represent opinions of gun control or gun freedom as long as that is the current view of the majority of the constituency. The platform changes as the opinions of the constituency changes. A true Republican never pushes their own ideas. They are always supposed to represent whatever is the current majority belief of their constituency. Nothing more and nothing less.

That is why I claim Republican.

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January 25, 2016
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I hate talking politics, and religion. But here are the facts.

Donald Trump is a cartoon character. Anyone that votes for him is a joke. Actually, if you vote for Trump, you deserve to be quarantined. This isn’t a matter of “opinions” here. This is serious, serious shit. You are a foolish, lazy human being. Hillary Clinton is a joke. Chris Christie is a joke. They are all jokes except Sanders. And I don’t love the fact of having another “old, Caucasian male” as our representative, but he is our ONLY option. I am not as politically savvy as most of you, nor as intelligent, but those of you that are leaning toward Donald Trump as our president, man, you are either obliviously lazy or wanting to seem like some sort of good ol’ boy rebel. You are either thinking too hard or not enough.

If this election were a film, Trump would be the obvious Bad Guy. You all see that. You know it. You aren’t impressing ANYONE by abiding by this false rhetoric. You are the downfall of civilization. 

A guy came in the shop a couple months back. He bought a $10 gram, then said “I’m voting Trump, and I AM Mexican!” He was. Obese and Hispanic. I hope he gets hit by a horse-drawn carriage for saying something so repulsive. He had nothing to back it up.

My own dad, an Independent voter for his whole adult life, is voting for Trump. He said “he’s gonna get rid of those damn Muslims!”

He has never met a Muslim. He has never had an issue with them, nor can I recall him ever saying the word itself, before TV told him who to scapegoat. This blows my mind, and I have lost a shit load of respect for this man. I once broke the nose of an ex con that turned Muslim inside. Then after our fight, I tried to run him over with my Mitsubishi. I fishtailed in the snow and he simply rolled over the hood. I hate that dude, but it has nothing to do with his religion. He is merely a scumbag who said the wrong things to me. Why should I hate Muslims based on one dude’s shady actions? It is absurd on a level that is staggering and insults my very cell structure that I share with all of my sisterstuff and brothers of this dope planet. A black dude broke my brother’s jaw just to be a bully. Months later another black dude killed my brother and didn’t serve a single second in jail. Do I hate black dudes now? Fuck no. These are INDIVDUALS. Just because THEY deserve to die, does not mean their entire lineage does as well. I hate many individual black, white, mexican, gay, straight, midget, hermaphrodite, Reptilian Atlantis Fish People, all types. But just the individuals. I cannot fucking BELIEVE there is a group called Juggalos 4 Trump, but I am not as surprised as I should be. These peoplease should be euthanised. 

This is why I don’t talk politics. I can barely present an intelligent conversation without resorting to rage. It’s almost like I’m a Trump supporter.

January 25, 2016
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I would totally fuck Hillary Clinton

I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!

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January 25, 2016
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wait, theres a group called Juggalos 4 Trump?? lol

I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!

-Tyson

January 25, 2016
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Sean Law said
I would totally fuck Hillary Clinton

Sarah Palin is my guilty jerkoff fantasy. Don’t tell anyone.

January 25, 2016
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Old Mr Dangerous said

Sean Law said
I would totally fuck Hillary Clinton

Sarah Palin is my guilty jerkoff fantasy. Don’t tell anyone.

true true.  since this is completely confidential, I would probably fuck Carly Fiorina too…. and Rand Paul

I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!

-Tyson

January 25, 2016
1:30 pm
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Rosco said
Also wanna state that although there is a difference in opinion, we still cool.

Some don’t know how to have a constructive conversation.

 

YakkAttack said
Theres no reason we can’t have a level headed debate without denouncing eachothers juggalo card, lol.

 

InSainn said
That said, fuck you and your support of Trump.

I can tear into every line of his argument but once I read this, all I can think is…

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Straight up @insainn, I’ll gladly debate all your points… but drop the fuckin attitude dude. relax and then we can go. P.S. okay, I read my reply to you earlier… I was a dick, lol. can we just have a calm debate starting now?

and @robtidwell I will gladly get back to you as soon as I wake up, lol.

January 25, 2016
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Sean Law said
wait, theres a group called Juggalos 4 Trump?? lol

https://www.facebook.com/juggalos4donaltrump/?fref=photo

Here’s a preview:

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January 25, 2016
2:28 pm
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Thankfully its a parody page. I’m a fan of this:

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Also, I may be in the minority on this, but I’m having a difficult time believing that Trump isn’t purposely trying to destroy his own party. He’s a walking SNL/Daily Show skit.

January 25, 2016
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The political ideology that best fits Juggalos is Libertarianism, without a doubt.  If there’s one thing that almost all Juggalos have in common, it’s a disdain for authority, and I think if you ask most Juggalos what role they want the government playing in their lives, they would say “staying the fuck out of it.”  Juggalos would certainly be with the Democrats on issues like ending the drug war, not making laws about who you can fuck and how you can fuck them, not legislating the Bible, etc.  Juggalos also tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and so would fit with the Dems for class reasons too.  But, a very big part of what Democrats are about is the idea that government social programs are going to solve peoples’ problems, and I don’t think you’d find a lot of Juggalos buying into that at all.  Also more in line with Republicans, I think most Juggalos would be against the idea of the government taking away their guns, and pretty close to none are going to have any sympathy for the idea of political correctness.   

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January 25, 2016
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King Lucem Ferre said
Bush didn’t win because of a rigged voting system.

You were saying Lucem?

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January 25, 2016
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Sean Law said
I would totally fuck Hillary Clinton

lol

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January 25, 2016
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Psyral Infection said

InSainn said
… I don’t see how juggalos support Republican…

Since my previous post was overlooked by most, I am reposting it. Juggalos can support the Republican ideal. But remember there is a difference between Republican and GOP.

Psyral Infection said
100% Republican. … But not the Republican idea that is seen today. I believe in the traditional Plato defined Republican ideal. As defined, a Republican represents the views of his constituency. In a Republican system, power is at the bottom and representation is at the top. As one climbs the political hierarchy, power is lost and the person becomes a representations of the people and their views. Therefore a true Republican can be pro life or pro choice or represent opinions of gun control or gun freedom as long as that is the current view of the majority of the constituency. The platform changes as the opinions of the constituency changes. A true Republican never pushes their own ideas. They are always supposed to represent whatever is the current majority belief of their constituency. Nothing more and nothing less.

That is why I claim Republican.

I saw and read your post and wasn’t quite sure what to make of it. I think we all understand the ideal of what it means to be Republican, unfortunately I don’t think that ideal exists anymore, at least not in our government. Now, Republicans instead of pushing for what the people want, choose to push what their big money donors want them to push and then Republicans do their very best to try to convince the people it’s also what they want. Granted, a very large number of Democrats do the same, there’s only a handful of politicians, like Bernie, who are actually representing what’s best for the people at the bottom.

January 25, 2016
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Sean Law said
wait, theres a group called Juggalos 4 Trump?? lol

Not a group, just a page. At least that’s what I saw.

January 25, 2016
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YakkAttack said

Rosco said
Also wanna state that although there is a difference in opinion, we still cool.

Some don’t know how to have a constructive conversation.

 

YakkAttack said
Theres no reason we can’t have a level headed debate without denouncing eachothers juggalo card, lol.

 

InSainn said
That said, fuck you and your support of Trump.

I can tear into every line of his argument but once I read this, all I can think is…

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Straight up @insainn, I’ll gladly debate all your points… but drop the fuckin attitude dude. relax and then we can go. P.S. okay, I read my reply to you earlier… I was a dick, lol. can we just have a calm debate starting now?
and @robtidwell I will gladly get back to you as soon as I wake up, lol.

There’s really nothing to debate. Trump is a billionaire bigot and supporting him is the same thing as supporting bigotry. Do you really think it’s just a coincidence that every white supremacists group under the sun has endorsed him?

January 25, 2016
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DrFreshness said
The political ideology that best fits Juggalos is Libertarianism, without a doubt.  If there’s one thing that almost all Juggalos have in common, it’s a disdain for authority, and I think if you ask most Juggalos what role they want the government playing in their lives, they would say “staying the fuck out of it.”  Juggalos would certainly be with the Democrats on issues like ending the drug war, not making laws about who you can fuck and how you can fuck them, not legislating the Bible, etc.  Juggalos also tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and so would fit with the Dems for class reasons too.  But, a very big part of what Democrats are about is the idea that government social programs are going to solve peoples’ problems, and I don’t think you’d find a lot of Juggalos buying into that at all.  Also more in line with Republicans, I think most Juggalos would be against the idea of the government taking away their guns, and pretty close to none are going to have any sympathy for the idea of political correctness.   

I can see your points here, although I think if juggalos do their homework and put aside the brainwashing that we receive from birth here in the US they would buy into social programs fixing alot of problems. The social programs that progressives want to put in place have worked pretty well in alot of countries and the only thing that keeps them from being utilized here are people who would stand to lose alot of money if they were. So we’re constantly fed this idea that socialism leads to communism and that it’s this evil evil thing when really it’s not. As for guns, if you really believe that democrats are going to come around and confiscate all the guns you truly are ignorant and brainwashed. It’s just such a ludacris idea that I can’t believe people actually buy that lie of the right. My beliefs are about as far left as one can go and I don’t even believe that should happen. I do believe in background checks for ALL gun purchases though and I do believe in greatly expanded care for the mentally ill and I do believe in a ban on assault rifles because no civilian has any legitimate need for weapons like that. If you need an automatic weapon to defend your home then you need to take your ass to the gun range and work on your aim.

January 25, 2016
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InSainn said

DrFreshness said
The political ideology that best fits Juggalos is Libertarianism, without a doubt.  If there’s one thing that almost all Juggalos have in common, it’s a disdain for authority, and I think if you ask most Juggalos what role they want the government playing in their lives, they would say “staying the fuck out of it.”  Juggalos would certainly be with the Democrats on issues like ending the drug war, not making laws about who you can fuck and how you can fuck them, not legislating the Bible, etc.  Juggalos also tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and so would fit with the Dems for class reasons too.  But, a very big part of what Democrats are about is the idea that government social programs are going to solve peoples’ problems, and I don’t think you’d find a lot of Juggalos buying into that at all.  Also more in line with Republicans, I think most Juggalos would be against the idea of the government taking away their guns, and pretty close to none are going to have any sympathy for the idea of political correctness.   

I can see your points here, although I think if juggalos do their homework and put aside the brainwashing that we receive from birth here in the US they would buy into social programs fixing alot of problems. The social programs that progressives want to put in place have worked pretty well in alot of countries and the only thing that keeps them from being utilized here are people who would stand to lose alot of money if they were. So we’re constantly fed this idea that socialism leads to communism and that it’s this evil evil thing when really it’s not. As for guns, if you really believe that democrats are going to come around and confiscate all the guns you truly are ignorant and brainwashed. It’s just such a ludacris idea that I can’t believe people actually buy that lie of the right. My beliefs are about as far left as one can go and I don’t even believe that should happen. I do believe in background checks for ALL gun purchases though and I do believe in greatly expanded care for the mentally ill and I do believe in a ban on assault rifles because no civilian has any legitimate need for weapons like that. If you need an automatic weapon to defend your home then you need to take your ass to the gun range and work on your aim.

My own views sound pretty similar to yours.   I can understand though someone having a mistrust of the government and what it can do, I wouldn’t reduce that view to just brainwashing. Government agencies don’t do what they’re supposed to very well, I don’t think anyone who’s been around them would disagree.  The other countries you mention this stuff working in have a big difference, a country like Sweden or Denmark is way more cohesive than the US.  We have deep social divisions that make it harder to get support for something modeled on the European welfare state, there’s just too much mistrust.  If it were up to me that’s what I’d like to see, but I don’t think it would work.  

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January 26, 2016
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@robtidwell  said
I can’t really look up shit at the moment and you’ll just disagree anyway but tyre tax rates for middle class families are lower under Obama than George W.  There are significantly more credits available for the average family too.

Are we sure about this? I just did some research… 50 articles say taxes were less under Bush, 50 articles say they are lower under Obama… thats the problem with the media, no one just gives the facts, lol. All I know is on my last 2 week pay check (not to get too personal) but I made $2,400 and they took $800 out in taxes leaving me with $1,600… these fucks took a straight 1/3 of my check!! and taxes only keep going up these days! Wtf?!

As for the penalty for not getting health insurance: you know that mandate was created by republicans right?

Do you have a source? I couldn’t find that information anywhere… I know the bill was made by the obama administration… I dont see how republicans would have put that in. I do know that I did my taxes yesterday and I didnt have insurance for the first 5 months of last year and these idiots fined me $250 even though I had it for most of the year… thats straight mafia shit right now, lol.

Obama has been in office for 7 years and the only gun laws he has done is to allow concealed carry in national parks and to close the gun show loophole which means all gun sales have to operate under the same rules. He isn’t after your guns.

Thats the only gun laws he has passed because republicans have shot all his shit down when it comes to gun bills… Im not a big fan of the republican party these days… but God bless them for doing that much.

 He has openly admitted to bribing Hillary when she was in office in New York.

And she openly admitted to accepting it, showing up to his wedding… or accepting $200 thousand an hour for a speech from Goldman Sachs… its no suprise to me the FBI is ready to indict here… obviously for a completely different reason but still… that speaks volumes.

I saw an interesting statistic last week that showed that more deaths in the US were caused by toddlers getting ahold of fire arms than were caused by Islamic terrorism in the US in 2015. 

you are right, just over 20 toddlers were killed by getting a hold of a gun when just under 20 died from terror attacks in the US. but world wide, what is it… like around 40,000 died last year at the hands of Islamic terrorism? Mainly all from the middle east… the same area Obama wants to take 10,000 people from and bring to this country. That just sounds like one of the craziest things I have ever herd. lol.

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