I bet this thread blows the fuck up really quick. 

I am so fucking happy that this is finally all out in the open.  (And I don't mean just since we found out in the chat last night, I mean this has been coming on for years.)  

For years, Twiztid has been dissing the fuck out of ICP and then turning around like "No, we're cool, there's no beef!" and then Juggalos argue like "yea, didn't you hear them, there's no beef! Stop making up drama!"  I really think that the people who couldn't read between the lines were just in serious denial.

Twiztid let their egos get the best of them, plain and simple.  That was apparent since the last seminar they did before they left Psychopathic.  I remember being so disappointed after that seminar.  They got jealous of the attention ICP was/is getting and wanted more for themselves.  Even though they wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for ICP.  Instead of being grateful as fuck, like they should have been, they started taking everything for granted and wanting more.  They just couldn't accept their place as second best, and in their attempt to establish their dominance they have destroyed their careers.  It's sad really.  Keep in mind, I used to be a HUGE Twiztid fan.  But why would I continue to support people who have let their over-inflated egos get the best of them?    

Half of what Violent J just said, I've been saying for years, I think even on these forums.  I am so happy to know that he sees it the same way.  And now most Juggalos will too.  

I agree that Twiztid not playing the gathering would be a diss to Juggalos.  Like I said last night in the chat though, at least before this happened today, I bet they still wanted to play the gathering because they don't want to lose the fanbase that ICP MADE FOR THEM.  

For me, being a Juggalo is about ICP, the Dark Carnival, and my Juggalo Family.  Other artists are a cool add-on, but they aren't the base of what made the Juggalo community.  (Which is why what they were saying at their last seminar was so offensive to me.  Who do they think they are to go out and "recruit new Juggalos?")  We will survive just fine without Twiztid.  Yea, it's sad that there wouldn't be any more Lotus or Rydas.  But honestly, a forced Lotus and Rydas would be even sadder.  Those groups weren't the shit because they were a smart business decision, they were the shit because they were homies on stage together.  Without that, the days of the true Lotus/Rydas are over anyways.  Hopefully a few years from now Twiztid will come back to reality and learn how to be humble.  Until then, they can fuck off.  Hopefully this whole ordeal gives them a fresh dose of reality. 

And ICP every night? Fuck yea!  I'd choose that over Twiztid any day.  

I could have sworn monoxide was reading a comment when he said that shit. I guess not. damn.

looks like i picked a good day to drop by for the first time in months.lol.glad to see that the group consensus pretty much lines up w/my take on this.

twiztid (actually-monoxide...respect to jamie for being 100% respectable through this bullshit) have been taken shots @and trying to distant themselves from icp for years...which is fine, but have the balls to speak on it and dont make new lotus albums & pretend everything is alright.mono's 2nd verse on "down here" is a clear shot @icp...mono just enjoys eating off the "juggalo" fanbase so wont alienate them because its all they got

musically, i still enjoy twiztid's new shit, but monoxide comes off like a douche. watching that periscope shit (how could anyone watch 20mins of that nonsense?) mono is a fuckin clown. dude is 40, acting like a geeked out highschooler. "i guess we have to sign boondox now"...really???dude doesnt even have the balls to admit they were gonna sign boondox, like they would "have to" because icp said they were?gtfo...unless thats really how they believe contracts work, which is almost believable @this point.

anyone claiming icp didnt literally MAKE twiztid is either ignorant to history or delusional.thats not to say twiztid arent talented as hell, but as far as their music careers, theres honestly no reason to think they could have blown up & done it on their own w/o psychopathic putting them on.its a very unique lane to be in making their style of music and w/o the proper backing/production/push they most likely wouldnt have gotten through.regardless, we'll never know cause icp bent over backwards to put them on through those first 2 albums...anybody that dates back to being a fan in those days knows icp put them all over their own shit, jumped all over their shit, gave them mike e clark production, took them on every tour, promoted them in every interview...honestly, i cant think of a single artist who is more indebted to another career-wise than twiztid to icp.yes, dre put on em/snoop...but that didnt take the years of grinding icp put into getting twiztid to work w/their fanbase.

respect to J for being open/honest about shit, putting his foot down, but also not fueling the fire.he did a goodjob of putting it on twiztid (<---mono) to either man the fuck up or really swallow their pride.

Sigh. Fucking SIGH. Okay, let's get it on.....

When I type on here.with you all, my internet friends and family, it is a personal outlet for me to discuss this awesomely unique littlebig world that we are all a part of. I dont discuss Faygoluvers talks barely at all with anyone outside of the internet. It is a special outlet for me as a Juggalo human being who is hated and ridiculed by the majority of people and even my own friends for supporting and enjoying this crazy littlebig world. Tonight, however, I talked to my wife about the Twiztid and ICP drama for one of the very few times ever.

It annoys me that as a grownass man, a hardworking, mature, reasonable human, that I have succumbed to being upset by this drama. I have so many real problems going on outside of this Juggalo world that we inhabit, that it is almost embarassing to even give this drama.bullshit a single sentence. But here we are. And it is the same.old shit. Maybe now people will stop lying to themselves about the real emotions involved here. I am.guilty of it as well, and even those of you that I consider more intelligent than myself are guilty as well. Here is the truth, reiterated once again:

- the Twiztid song and video lyrics WERE AND ARE subliminal disses. This is.not an opinion, this is a fact. Most of us, including myself, do not want this to be true. But it is. I attribute it to parent's divorcing.

- it is and has always been Paul Methric behind the whining and the lack of appreciation. Many of us have met the guy, and he just has the vibe of an asshole. Monoxide is an asshole. This is a fact. The man himself probably would not deny this.

- James Spaniolo is more appreciative and humble than his cohort. He says what he has to say and does what he has to do to save face and have his hetero lifemate's back. I can respect this, without liking it. I believe that if Mono quit the game, Madrox would not have or display ill feelings toward ICP or PSY. "He is a stand up guy" Joseph Bruce once remarked about Jamie during the KMK Twiztid beef. 

- despite wanting to be above all of this stupid shit, after talking with my wife, who has attended many Gatherings and shows with me, she put it all so simple and clear. I said that Monoxides behavior affects many of the fanbases' morale, and it shouldnt matter but it does. "They are a very big part of our lives," she said. This is a fact. We are some of the least Juggaloed-out Juggalos around. I have a Dark Lotus cross tat, and named my first born child Lotus. My brother Jesse was killed and cremated in a lime green Twoztid jersey. My oldest brother had numerous ICP tats and was reduced to ashes as well, years later. We all attended the very first GOTJ together. I could go on all day about stories related to this world. This world that ICP created and let Twiztid, my homies, into to thrive and grow. It would be nutty to say that both of these groups havent had monumental impacts on our lives. We rarely wear Hatchet Gear and only make it to a show a year nowadays, if that. But god DAMN it, these grown ass men who rap and sing are A PART OF ALL OF OUR LIVES. This is not a trivial thing. 

- I understand that Joe Bruce can be shady. A shady businessman, sure. Sadistic, even. Many ex PSY employees have uttered this. But the obese goofball in the clownpaint always stands out as the most mature and heartfelt individual in that whole circus, so his word means much more to me. My wife said "ICP made them who they are", and its blunt but true. Show some fucking respect. Monoxide wont. He will never grow up. 

- We were planning on hitting up the Greely, CO Twiztid show this Sunday. Until I saw this, I was hype. After Mono and his faggot ass manager George invited all of this drama, I am no longer sure if I will attend. And I havent seem Twiztid since 2010. 

I still have respect for them all. Time to mature. 

ScottieD said
Yes, the post has been removed.  The parties involved may already be speaking, but that's purely speculation at this point. It's removed from ICP.com too, but preserved right here in the forums. lol.

Damn. Quickest beef squash ever?

I dont agree at all about the way mono is acting but what can u do. 

I wont hate on anyone who agrees with that fool.

Even if u hate on me for thinking hes acting like a dick.

I cant blame the guy for acting up. Alot of shit gets thrown at him. But still. I mean look at violent j....

Sucks man. What are they doing. Juggalo or not they have a responsibility. They lead through example. 

But yeah....im sure they will play. But if not its ok.