Noah Fence said
Also i love that your only reason for wanting to call people faggot is because other people do.

Be a leader not some little beta follower that thinks being called a bigot is abusive  

This fella’ is going places gentlemen.

“Brewing from the depths of the Carnival grounds amidst harmonious sounds…Animals, Freaks, and Clowns BEWARE!”

Why would they include the word CLOWN in that?

Maybe this card will not have a purpose in the Dark Carnival, but rather be an enemy of it instead?

Besides the word “CLOWN” being one of the beings that should be cautious, “Harmonious sounds” 

described in that sentence suggest that the DC is at peace until this thing shows up.

Maybe I reading into it to much, but that’s my take on the description. 

NOW WE ARE BACK ON TOPIC.

Dope speculation. I mean I always sort of seen the Joker Cards as enemies in a way. They are the entities that inflict justice upon the wicked. They are symbolic of negative aspects of the human being. They use fear as a weapon to instill morality and yadda yadda. Being a “wicked clown” you are basically calling yourself a foolish wrong doer right? These are just reminders to stay off that path and be a Magi right doer. 

Red Fred appears to be lesson on wrath and anger control. Dealing with events that would cause people to flip out and see red. Hence, Flip The Rat.

Is Flip allied with Fred or is he a tempter who uses Fred? The ICP post said: “Red Fred” and his untrusty little friend Flip The Rat draw near. BEWARE…NO ONE IS SAFE! If he is untrusty then he could be tricking Fred. However, it says they are friends.

So perhaps Red Fred is about dealing with fake friends, betrayal, manipulative relationships, and the emotions that come with it? 

Also, ESHAM is def back in the mix somehow. I’d love another Hell’s Pit vibe. Especially if this one is focused on anger rather than depression.

I’m really hoping esham and MEC are involved. and I really, really hope this is going to be an aggressive album. I miss angry as hell ICP. I get that ’17 is supposed to be about positivity, but ICP are at their best when they’re mad as hell.

jiggles the clown said
I get that ’17 is supposed to be about positivity, but icp are at their best when they’re mad as hell.

Really? Just when in the fuck did icp say 2017 is about positivity? 

They said 17 is the year for juggalos to make positive changes in their lives…as in quitting smoking, losing weight, changing jobs/living situation etc.

In order to make a positive difference in your own life, you will have a tough time climbing up a hill to reach your goal that will inevitably be for the greater good of you, the juggalo. Making changes is no way an easy task.

The fact that juggalos confuse what they said, blows my mind…they wanted US to be beaming and 17ing…it has nothing to do with icp…they just wanted us to better ourselves this year, that way we can handle the new era they are gonna begin in 2018.

The only reason they made some of the singles they did this year is to give us something new that we could use to empower ourselves with while going down that difficult road to make the much needed changes.

Do you even know what the meaning of 17 is? Here i did the work for you, since you were prolly lazy as hell this year and didnt make an effort to make your life better..

The number 17 is responsible for, Insight, responsibility, self-discipline, strength, compassion, spiritual consciousness, and wisdom, a desire for peace and love for all of humanity.

Well by the time the card is releases, it’ll be 2018 anyway. New Year, new vibe.

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

jiggles the clown said
I get that ’17 is supposed to be about positivity, but icp are at their best when they’re mad as hell.

Really? Just when in the fuck did icp say 2017 is about positivity? 

They said 17 is the year for juggalos to make positive changes in their lives…as in quitting smoking, losing weight, changing jobs/living situation etc.

In order to make a positive difference in your own life, you will have a tough time climbing up a hill to reach your goal that will inevitably be for the greater good of you, the juggalo. Making changes is no way an easy task.

The fact that juggalos confuse what they said, blows my mind…they wanted US to be beaming and 17ing…it has nothing to do with icp…they just wanted us to better ourselves this year, that way we can handle the new era they are gonna begin in 2018.

The only reason they made some of the singles they did this year is to give us something new that we could use to empower ourselves with while going down that difficult road to make the much needed changes.

Do you even know what the meaning of 17 is? Here i did the work for you, since you were prolly lazy as hell this year and didnt make an effort to make your life better..

The number 17 is responsible for, Insight, responsibility, self-discipline, strength, compassion, spiritual consciousness, and wisdom, a desire for peace and love for all of humanity.  

I love how you write this huge ass rambling mess, only to get completely schooled and shown how ignorant YOU ARE by warlock…

and no, bro. 17 has nothing to do with that spiritalism bullshit, the reason ICP uses the number 17 a lot, is because on the first day that carnival of carnage was released it sold exactly 17 copies.

that’s it. thats why they use it to inspire themselves. Not because of some bullshit hippie mysticism shit. Now maybe next time you get on a fucking rant, calling someone else lazy or ignorant, YOU’LL do your own fucking research.

The Warlock said

well now i gotta school you, cuz ICP are mystical as fuck.. in fact, J sates in behind the paint he has dedicated his life in search of the beyond.. you gotta be crazy to think 17 isnt more significant than just some numbers on a release date, with all the hoopla theyve done these past 2 years about it.. However, spooky’s “meaning of 17” looks like he just googled some lame ass numerology website.. i bet ICP could give a much more deeper meaning of 17 than that..  

If they ascribe any mystical bullshit meaning to it now, that’s what we call a retcon. J very well could have done some numeralology research and said “huh, the number 17 has a lot deeper meaning, that’s dope, know what I’m saying?”

But the fact remains that the sole and only reason they chose 17 in the first place, the reason it has a place in the mythology of the dark carnival is because of carnival of carnage release sales.

And do you really think J would have spent….how many years? using 17, and then decide to change it because he found a number he liked the meaning of better, when 17 has a PERSONAL meaning to him and shaggy? I honestly don’t think he would.

Butterflies are symbols are hope, change, and endurance. But does that have anything to do with ICP dedicating their albums to “the butterfly”? Not at all.

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

did i miss that? NO…did i revisit since you posted this reply? NO

Why because what really mattered is something i heard when i gathered!    (video proof below)

your video is something that was said as 2017 was happening, while mine is something that was said the months leading up to 2017…mine shows you what they wanted 2017 to be like…and yours shows you what they felt as 2017 was happening…so what they said as 2017 was happening was from the perception of thinking that things were not going as they envisioned…and since things like dark lotus juggalo day being cancelled and gotj having problems finding a location, they said things in your video that were said while they were blinded from anger and negativity…basically ones mindset changes over time(any amount of time) and become adaptations/evolutions of their original plans

anyways heres the time stamp….you can intro yourself from 16:20 to 17:17 

                                           ….and get skooled from 34:17 to 36:57 

 

as for that disrespectful shithead jiggles wayne gacy, or what ever the fuck their name is…maybe ill respond to you, maybe i wont…only time will tell, and when that time comes to an end, you will have finally been consumed by one killer ass mushroom people named spooky.

p.s. them synchronicitys on those time stamps tho…how many ways can you find 17 out of em? #665  

proof-read homie wtf.. that clips from the 2016 gathering… now watch my clip and accept you were wrong about the positivity thing.. it sounds like youre claiming once they became blinded by anger and negativity… then they decided to go positive.. nah, youre mistaken.. they say a lot of shit @ gathering seminars…

I know this is a little off topic,

Since we are on the build up to Red Fred it has me thinking back to when TMDP was upcoming.

I always wondered how the hell the TheBoyBlue ,or whatever his name was, got hold of the pre-released versions of some of the songs on that album. They were clearly changed up a bit on the official release, but did anyone ever find out how or who he knew on the inside? It was kind of major at the time and prompted Violent J to release a statement about it.

The songs were:

TMDP (Beat,lyrics changed up a bit), Bazooka Joey(J announcer voiced changed), Bully Blasta (The word Bully omitted from chorus)

Any OG’s with that info hook up?

9+8 for the required math, It’s happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

jiggles the clown said
I get that ’17 is supposed to be about positivity, but icp are at their best when they’re mad as hell.

Really? Just when in the fuck did icp say 2017 is about positivity? 

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Do you even know what the meaning of 17 is? Here i did the work for you, since you were prolly lazy as hell this year and didnt make an effort to make your life better..

Yea. no disrespect there at all, you fucking retard.

Keep that “juggalo love” shit out of my face, I don’t want any love from a worthless cunt like you. We ain’t homies, we sure as fuck ain’t family.

and once again, drink bleach.