Hoodoo was @ the mess of a big ballas xmas livestream a few days ago, so they were still on good terms atleast up until the 24th

Its bizzare & ridiculous how much twiztid obsess over working with anyone affiliated w/psychopathic. None of it makes sense.

There is clearly no reason to go after these artists. They have proven not to be viable, so it can't be a financial decision. None of this music (besides icp & twiztid themselves...boondox & maybe blaze) is an actual business venture. It all costs way more than it can possibly recoup if any kind of budget/videos is involved. I'm basing this off of seeing firsthand how little money is left the music industry for smaller artists in the world of streaming, looking at their spotify #s, hardcopy's no longer being relevant, & the fact that touring is indefinitely gone thanks to the plandemic. Icp/twiztid can push merch & do things like icp's livestreams, but the rest of these MF have jobs, sell drugs, or live with their parents.

Which brings me back to my original point. Why in the fuck is twiztid obsessed with signing these people?

First off, I wish you really were Bill Burr. I love that guy.

Second, I don't agree with 60% of what you wrote, but there is some truth to it. Perhaps Jamie and Paul and their other guy just want strength in numbers? I'm sure there is at least some of it that is of the intention to just make a show of things.

Despite how I feel personally about Otis, he is a talented enough producer and rapper to have aboard. However, he isn't so damned talented that I could see Twiztid just dying to claim his talents. He isn't any more gifted than, say, Fritz the Cat or Str8 Jacket. 

I just see Otis sometimes as the employee that whines about not getting his 40 hours but then asks to go home early every night and also never is on time. But what do I know? He is the self-appointed grandmaster of "grinding". 

Listen, dawg, I'm pretty much anti-Paul Methric on most things. I think he is a fucking delusional headcase that really shouldn't smoke weed because it intensifies his anxiety to a peak. I think he is the epitome of a bitter, entitled man musician in the underground. And I agree that Twiztid are very obviously "snatching" ex-Psychopafhic artists for personal reasons more than financial. However, there has to be some sort of financial bonus for these actions. I am not learned in the music business, I mean I have a friend that owns her own label and does well despite her artists sucking overall and having no appeal... but Twiztid wouldn't go into debt just to fuck with Joe and Joey. If they are, then they are legit mentally insane. Like drooling, shit-eating, cow-raping madmen. If even one of them was that crazy, I don't see the rest of the squad being that friendly/empathetic/stupid to let them carry on that way. There has to be a fiduciary benefit to it on some level. 

That being said, no matter how much money they make (unless it is six figures or more), it is lame on a personal level to keep snatching these artists. Just a bad look, in my opinion. 

There is a lot of talent on MNE. King Gordy, Jamie Madrox, Blaze. Hopefully they are utilized well. 

Old Mr Dangerous said
Listen, dawg, I'm pretty much anti-Paul Methric on most things. I think he is a fucking delusional headcase that really shouldn't smoke weed because it intensifies his anxiety to a peak. I think he is the epitome of a bitter, entitled man musician in the underground. And I agree that Twiztid are very obviously "snatching" ex-Psychopafhic artists for personal reasons more than financial. However, there has to be some sort of financial bonus for these actions. I am not learned in the music business, I mean I have a friend that owns her own label and does well despite her artists sucking overall and having no appeal... but Twiztid wouldn't go into debt just to fuck with Joe and Joey. If they are, then they are legit mentally insane. Like drooling, shit-eating, cow-raping madmen. If even one of them was that crazy, I don't see the rest of the squad being that friendly/empathetic/stupid to let them carry on that way. There has to be a fiduciary benefit to it on some level. 

That being said, no matter how much money they make (unless it is six figures or more), it is lame on a personal level to keep snatching these artists. Just a bad look, in my opinion. 

There is a lot of talent on MNE. King Gordy, Jamie Madrox, Blaze. Hopefully they are utilized well.   

Everybody they "stole" was solid though. Like, they toured with these people so why wouldn't they take them on?

chops said
Name an artist they stole from psychopathic? Blaze? They kicked him off the label a couple months after Twiztid left. ROC? Psychopathic had zero interest in the roc without Twiztid. Boondox? He fulfilled his contract with abaddon and went to George. Young wicked? He went to George after all the drama. Who else? It’s obvious psychopathic runs a terrible business. They are notorious for telling employees and artists the money is coming, the money is coming and when they can’t wait any longer they leave. When Esham and lavel left the label they threatened Alex Abbiss to pay them for their production/engineering for the past 2 years or face a lawsuit and he cut them checks.

Facts. It's not stealing if the artist is not under contract.

They do not like paying people what they were promised.

Which is why ABK wasn't at The March.

NO NEW MUSIC at all.

We get music to a degree (if you like Ouija). Not much under the PSY umbrella though. That's a tough topic because really ICP's legacy is set in stone. I can't complain too much about the lack of music. They're releasing music, for the most part, on par with the timelines they've always kept. They were never really a "singles" band.

I complain more that their newer music no longer has any substance. I'm also in my 30's now and I think that has a lot to do with it.

I could see psychopathic being obsolete and gone within 10 years.

As far as I'm concerned, they're already obsolete. There will be no differences between now and 10 years from now as far as the record label's growth goes. I just hope the Gathering comes back. That I will be hyped for until the day I die.

I’m just glad shaggy found something to get passionate about again with the shaggy creep show.   

Shaggy continues to be too dope.

lets be real about all the ex-psychopathic artists on MNE. Lets be really, really fucking real about it.

blaze: only on the label because of Twiztid, he was their homie, he and ABK knew twiztid back from the House of Krazee's days. So even following J's own fucked up idea of what loyalty is, he "should have" been loyal to twiztid, rather than ICP. I can also imagine he felt PSY was mistreating him with the way they handled his records.

Boondox: wasn't really connected to anybody the way the OGs were; he didn't have any personal connections before signing. He was off contract and probably felt MNE was a better place to be for him.

ROC: you're a fucking retard if you think in ANY WAY twiztid "stole" ROC from  psychopathic. full stop.

young wicked: this is the only one I can see being an act of spite on twiztid's part. All history seems to show that paul, at least, if not jamie too fucking HATED him before the drama went down with PSY; but, there's two options for this. They either took him in to piss off J, or they took him in because of how fucking talented and hardworking he is. Look at ALL of the shit he was doing at PSY; and J wasn't even paying the dude enough to make fucking rent. J was acting like him letting otis sleep on his couch was a bro move on his part, like he was doing otis a fucking favor, when by all accounts he should've been making enough money to get his own crib.

Now, look at all the people who've left that they haven't tried to scoop up...becky. Lyte, Hoodoo...? MNE seems to have no interest in any of them.

Now, who has MNE brought up to the label, that has nothing to do with "stealing the from psychopathic"? gorilla voltage, g-mo, lex, AXE. Oh the horror, Redd, gibby stites...are you guys really going to say that twiztid "only steals from psychopathic"? fuck outta here.

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BillBurr said
My confusion is how any of it is financially viable. There isn't any money coming in for these artists. I know bigger artists (than the no-names on MNE, not icp/twiztid) that aren't making shit. You can run their #s through stream calculators & see how insanely small their cut is. I agree, that there has to be an element I'm missing that would make twiztid wanna keep signing these acts, but I'm mystified as to what it could possibly be.

ICP said it themselves, underground labels don't really serve a purpose @ this point besides taking half the artists profits. They're correct. Major labels still have alot to offer (while fucking the artist over) but @ the psychopathic/MNE level, it doesn't serve a purpose in 2020.

ICP are notoriously awful businessmen. They talk about it all the time & it has its charm, but its lead to them being far worse off than they ever should of been @ this point in their careers. They have had a massive amount of success through their ride. They still do things that are disastrous from a business POV consistently. They are all street kids that never got the proper schooling or hired the proper people. It's cool to hire all your friends for shit, but it leads to dead ends. They should be living stress free off investments from the 90s/00s. They made millions, but don't seem to have portfolios or real estate investments. Instead they threw partys & funded a wrestling federation. It's badass, but poor business.  

You nailed it