ESHAM SLAUGHTERS EVERYONE

Esham slaughtered everyone till about 1997

Warlock, whered you get the list from? Just wondering

Don’t get me wrong, I love eshams music. I have his whole discography on CD. I just feel like after 96-97 he started to fall off a little. He still released decent music like tongues/www.com but for the most part his music went downhill. I could say the same about icp after 1999. 

One of my first posts here and one that im standing by was stating that ICP's 6th jokers card of the second deck will feature back up vocals by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Is it because of the more positive vibe that theyve been giving off, that their losing your votes? They've never been "horrorcore" from my stand point.

From what i heard Esham is someone they looked up to when they were up and coming.

Then from my understanding they became bigger and took Him under their wing.

They became more famous.

Please correct me if im wrong. Maybe im biased because im more a fan of ICP than Esham.

Warlock, give us a youtube breakdown of Esham compared to ICP, since thats the way the topic has turned. 

Icp and psychopathic copied esham and RLP from the beginning. They had a falling out in 93 and did not work together again until 2000(besides esham’s skit on mutilation mix). In late 96 or early 97 violent j ran into esham in Detroit and took a bunch of eshams albums to the record label A&R’s but they all passed saying he made devil music. Then in 1999 esham started hanging with icp again and was going to sign with psychopathic to release tongues and be a member of dark Lotus. That fell through esham dissed J on tongues(2001) icp dissed esham on cartoon nightmares. Natas showed up to Big Ballas in December 2001 squashed the beef. Esham signed with psychopathic in 2002 causing bad blood between E and mastamind who had a new natas album(godlike) that got no exposure or promotion because esham was busy working with icp. That’s the relationship in a nutshell. My memories foggy but that’s the basic history. 

Violent j always tried to help esham but went about it the wrong way. Psychopathic gave him a horrible offer in 2000. When he finally did sign in 2002 they put in the contract that he could not be referred to as the unholy by anyone or himself, they didn’t want to work with TNT or mastamind. When repentance started getting radio play and exposure in 2003 violent j got jealous when esham was invited to some awards show thing and stopped all promotions for the album and removed him from the upcoming wicked wonka tour. Esham was always quick to turn his back on icp and shit talk them. It’s a weird relationship. 

I started to listen to icp in 97 and became obsessed. Every bit of knowledge I could find about their history, producers, tours, similar artists, whatever I absorbed and memorized. Its so much shit it starts to jumble together. I enjoy reminiscing about it all. 

Becoming a juggalo in 97, by the time ajb was released I had been listening to everything from 92-98 on constant repeat and listened to no other music for the most part. So when Bizaar Bizzar came out it was a big change to me. Like I said it still had the magic that psychopathic releases had prior but it wasn’t a sideshow ep and it wasn’t a jokers card. I still think it should’ve just been a sideshow ep called the “bizarre bazaar” and could have been about a creepy shop in the dark Carnival in the same vein as Terror wheel and tunnel of love. The first album released on psychopathic that sounded completely different and lacked that mec polish was freekshow. I did not like that album first listen and I loved mostasteless. Anyway I’m rambling about bullshit