Still waiting on @Noah Fence to educate on me on how Iggy has “harmed” black people with her accent rapping...yes it’s cringe worthy, but she didn’t take $ out of any black persons pocket did she?

Also waiting for him to explain why black people in an Iggy music video are “props” but when ICP puts a black person in their videos it’s not...

All shit flinging aside, I sincerely want to hear your “woke” rational. 

You gave an example of a Mexican restaurant and I destroyed your logic. Which you then back-pedaled and called an “allegory” rather then admitting I smacked that explanation down swiftly.

For you to disappear from the convo only insinuates you have no defense, and therefor are wrong wrong wrong. 

Defend your positions man. Stand for what you believe in, don’t be a coward.

Or do I gotta show up to Juggalo Day wearing a sombrero, fake mustache, with sum maracas in hand?? 🤔

You still absolutely fail to demonstrate how Iggy has harmed anyone. If she can make a song that sounds black (because she enjoys black music and wants to do that style herself, NOT because she wants to rip it off and exploit it for profit) and she is able to sell records and get rich/famous, has she actually taken $ out of anyone’s pocket? No she hasn’t. 

How can you not understand she dates black guys. She’s not racist. She’s a white girl who is infatuated with black people and culture, because she loves and appreciates it, and therefore wants to emulate it.

Her being successful at it doesn’t mean someone else who is black doesn’t get a shot. That’s not how it works. If they can make a song that’s popular they will get rich and famous too. Just because she did, doesn’t mean they all of a sudden can’t now.

Capitalism isn’t exploitive at all. In capitalism you engage in voluntary transactions. Nobody forces anyone to do anything, as opposed to socialism/communism. Which is why slavery WAS NOT capitalism. It was simply exploitative evil. That is liberal re-writing of history/definitions talking right there lol.

And I still don’t get how you can’t see that neither Iggy or ICP are featuring black people in their videos for any other reason then the fact most artists feature PEOPLE in their videos for some purpose whether it be dancing or filling in the scene. You are the one picking them apart by their skin color like a bigot rather then just seeing them as people...

Amazing your mind reading abilities that you are able to tell what her or her video directors intended them for.

And if her or her director did specify they wanted black people in the video specifically, who’s to say it wasn’t because they want to be inclusive ??? 

If she had all white girls in her video and rapped that way would you not accuse her of doing black music with no black representation in her videos and therefore separating herself from blackness a la your Macklemore kid reference? 

Is sounds much more likely to me Iggy either said “idc who’s in my video” or she said “don’t have it just be a bunch of crackers in my video, I ain’t racist, I’d love to include some black people” - rather then her saying “you know, I should really put black people in my video to exploit them by paying them for their appearance and ‘ya know’ cause I don’t actually hang with black people or are down when them in real life so I must be faking the funk if I don't”

I don’t think T.I. would put Iggy on if he thought she was exploiting the culture and it was all an image. I imagine he found a white girl who was driven and was attractive and he looked past her skin color to see potential. 

Which brings me to my point. Don’t we want to live in a world where white people and black people and people of any race/ethnicity can enjoy whatever they feel like and pursue whatever dreams they have without being put in a box and told they can’t because of the color of their skin etc.?? 

I’ll leave you with some quotes.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

- Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

“The best way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

–John Roberts

I’m just trying to point out the blatant hypocrisy of someone who claims to hate racism, then wants to make everything about race.

If Iggy in real life, before the raps, didn’t dress in hip-hop attire and date/associate with black people and it was all an act I could maybe humor his argument. But that’s not the case.

Her and ICP both fell in love at young age with hip-hop and black culture. I remember ICP telling stories about being the only white guys in school that wore the Adidas track suites n shit. That’s dope that they loved the culture so much they wanted to emulate it. Those are the kinds of things that leads to a less racist America.

You know what doesn’t lead to a less racist America? Constantly pointing fingers at people and telling them they can’t (or shouldn’t) be able to pursue their dreams because of their skin color. 

She isn’t cutting into anybody’s lane being successful on a major label. Anybody who is able to make a more catchy/successful song is free to come along and de-throne her. Which I’m pretty sure that’s what exactly happened. That’s fair and square.

What wouldn’t be fair is to say she shouldn’t do that type of music cause she’s white and might make a more popular song and therefore outsell some black artists. That’s racist, in the literal sense of the term. Dictating what people should/shouldn’t do on the basis of race. 

JuggaloJ said
You still absolutely fail to demonstrate how Iggy has harmed anyone. If she can make a song that sounds black (because she enjoys black music and wants to do that style herself, NOT because she wants to rip it off and exploit it for profit) and she is able to sell records and get rich/famous, has she actually taken $ out of anyone’s pocket? No she hasn’t. 

How can you not understand she dates black guys. She’s not racist. She’s a white girl who is infatuated with black people and culture, because she loves and appreciates it, and therefore wants to emulate it.

Her being successful at it doesn’t mean someone else who is black doesn’t get a shot. That’s not how it works. If they can make a song that’s popular they will get rich and famous too. Just because she did, doesn’t mean they all of a sudden can’t now.

Capitalism isn’t exploitive at all. In capitalism you engage in voluntary transactions. Nobody forces anyone to do anything, as opposed to socialism/communism. Which is why slavery WAS NOT capitalism. It was simply exploitative evil. That is liberal re-writing of history/definitions talking right there lol.

And I still don’t get how you can’t see that neither Iggy or ICP are featuring black people in their videos for any other reason then the fact most artists feature PEOPLE in their videos for some purpose whether it be dancing or filling in the scene. You are the one picking them apart by their skin color like a bigot rather then just seeing them as people...

Amazing your mind reading abilities that you are able to tell what her or her video directors intended them for.

And if her or her director did specify they wanted black people in the video specifically, who’s to say it wasn’t because they want to be inclusive ??? 

If she had all white girls in her video and rapped that way would you not accuse her of doing black music with no black representation in her videos and therefore separating herself from blackness a la your Macklemore kid reference? 

Is sounds much more likely to me Iggy either said “idc who’s in my video” or she said “don’t have it just be a bunch of crackers in my video, I ain’t racist, I’d love to include some black people” - rather then her saying “you know, I should really put black people in my video to exploit them by paying them for their appearance and ‘ya know’ cause I don’t actually hang with black people or are down when them in real life so I must be faking the funk if I don't”

I don’t think T.I. would put Iggy on if he thought she was exploiting the culture and it was all an image. I imagine he found a white girl who was driven and was attractive and he looked past her skin color to see potential. 

Which brings me to my point. Don’t we want to live in a world where white people and black people and people of any race/ethnicity can enjoy whatever they feel like and pursue whatever dreams they have without being put in a box and told they can’t because of the color of their skin etc.?? 

I’ll leave you with some quotes.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

- Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

“The best way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

–John Roberts  

The fact that you fail to see the way systemic oppression works isn't my fault. I have - repeatedly - explained how her presence in hip hop is destructive. You choose not to see it.

Slavery was literally capitalism. I don't know how to explain to you that it was and continues to be a system where people make money off the work of other people. That's definitive capitalism. I'll hit you with some links later. 

You say I'm reading minds by talking about the systemic oppression that hits people because of other people's actions but you're over here telling me what her emotions are. 

Racism isn't hatred. I know you've been taught that racism is the kkk killing black people but it isn't. Racism is a system of behaviors, choices people make regardless of their personal feelings on black people. It's a system that says white is good and black isn't. That's why when white people step into a music scene largely made of black people they should do it responsibly. I believe and argue that ICP has mostly been responsible with only a few very bad choices. I think Iggy has mostly been irresponsible.

Yes, ideally it would be great to live in a world where skin color isn't a factor but we don't. Our nation's systems, like capitalism, are embedded with white supremacy.

Also please don't be the guy who quotes MLK. He would not have your side in this discussion.

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.

-MLK

I disagree. I absolutely believe MLK would be happy to see the world we live in (not that it’s perfect) and the way you and others continue to act like it’s a terrible oppressive country we live in is a joke compared to the America he knew. I believe he would want white people to be able to do black music which they appreciate with no issue, because that’s an un-racist world.

I don’t think racism is hatred. I don’t think that you hate black people. I think you are still racist because you look at the world constantly, non-stop, in the terms of color and are telling people what they should/shouldn’t do based on their skin color.

And yes, capitalism does mean people make $ not “off of” but with the assistance of others work. This is true. But when you take a job you do that voluntarily, therefore it is not exploitation. If you don’t like the job for the rate offered, go somewhere else. Nobody is requiring you do the job and therefore nobody is exploiting you. 

Im very close to having my Masters degree in Sociology. I hear the logic of “systematic racism” day in and out and I drive my professors crazy dismantling it with my papers. Even they admit I make great arguments. 

Systematic racism does not exist in America. If you can’t point to a law on the books in this country that discriminates against anyone I’d be glad to join the cause along side you to condemn it...

But I’m willing to bet all of your explanations of systematic racism entail phantom villains whom you can’t actually point to you’ll just claim they’re “out there in the ether somewhere”

Not to say racists don’t exist in America, they absolutely do. Or that minorities don’t have economic disparities with that of white people due to the history of racism in this country, they do. But the system itself in current day America is not racist whatsoever.

And also, just for good measure, a white person does not automatically have supremacy or privilege as you’d put it.

People are individuals, you don’t assume their status based on race. That’s called racism. 

I’m white, am I more privileged then Will Smith’s kids?

No I’m not...

Wait, there is proof of me not having free will?

Drunkalo said
Wait, there is proof of me not having free will?  

Not definitive proof, I personally think that it's not a dichotomy and our free will is limited, but there is proof to support that it doesn't actually exist. Both me and Pigg have brought it up. I think Pigg actually linked an article on it talking about how believing in free will is important but it's also important to recognize the lack of free will in the context of rehabilitation.

Im pretty sure i read the last article, i know i questioned it.

Its tough to think that an external force, or lack of, is involved with my every decision. Hell, i want to know why i do the things i do.

Sorry to make this shit go sideways. Ill leave it alone.