King Lucem Ferre said

Except ICP didn't have a label roster until much later. I think 2000 is when they built one and 5 years later controversy happens. Time is still young, though. Things might come out. I just think they'd have came out by now.  

1994 or 1995 Project Born was signed, 1997 Myzery and Twiztid signed.

chops said
psychopathic was a failure as a record label until Twiztid came in. Pjb and myzery were both failures. Twiztid was the first successful group signed to psychopathic besides icp. Then Twiztid brought in blaze and abk who were both semi successful. So when everyone says icp made Twiztid and they owe them everything, well Twiztid most certainly made psychopathic so psychopathic would then owe Twiztid everything. Twiztid led to what many call the golden age of the hatchet 2000-2004ish. Icp, Twiztid, Blaze, abk, esham, zug izland, lotus and rydas all selling albums and merch like crazy. Give Twiztid the props they deserve.   

ICP literally created Twiztid after the were already established & nationwide.. ICP made Psychopathic a success.. Twiztid were the 1st group to be accepted & successful 2 YEARS AFTER theyve already been on the label.. they dropped every other artist they had worked with sooner but kept twizler 'cause they believed in them.. Psychopathic made Twiztid from ICP shoving them down our throat... Twiztid helped grow the juggalo subculture.. It's very more likely ICP would be where they are without twiztid than vice versa.. ICP's 90's catalog stands strong af.. without twiztid the juggalo movement wouldnt be as big as it is.. thats about it..

Twiztid were not on the label for 2 years before mostasteless reissue was released nationwide. A year and a couple months maybe. Oh and ask frank nitty if they got dropped or if pjb got the fuck away from psychopathic because they were fucking them outta money and publishing. Ask myzery why he left the label. Psychopathic doesn’t drop anyone they push them to the back and treat them like shit till they leave. That way psychopathic can be the good guys in the public’s eyes. Twiztid made psychopathic what it is and that’s a fact. I lived through the shit everyday, went to every show, read every interview, went to the gatherings, I knew people that were part of that bullshit seeds of the lotus. What icp shows you is not what is actually happening behind closed doors. I defended them for years against that realjuggahoes movement. It’s all a fraud. There is no family inside that building unless you grew up with joe. If not you are expendable and they will stab you in the back first chance they get. 

Slumerican502 said
I actually found Twiztid first. They were always gonna make it. They are by far the more talented of the two groups. I think album sales show Twiztid were destined to be more than lackeys.

Its been fucking years and yall are still saying Twiztid aint shit without icp. Guess What? They are still fucking rocking it. Regardless of what you bitter fucks like to think.

 

"Dont matter like your Instagram comment"  

I was more into Twiztid & Freek Show before I started to get into ICP more.. Back in 2000 Twiztid was helping make the juggalo scene look crazy fresh..

The Warlock said

chops said
psychopathic was a failure as a record label until Twiztid came in. Pjb and myzery were both failures. Twiztid was the first successful group signed to psychopathic besides icp. Then Twiztid brought in blaze and abk who were both semi successful. So when everyone says icp made Twiztid and they owe them everything, well Twiztid most certainly made psychopathic so psychopathic would then owe Twiztid everything. Twiztid led to what many call the golden age of the hatchet 2000-2004ish. Icp, Twiztid, Blaze, abk, esham, zug izland, lotus and rydas all selling albums and merch like crazy. Give Twiztid the props they deserve.   

ICP literally created Twiztid after the were already established & nationwide.. ICP made Psychopathic a success.. Twiztid were the 1st group to be accepted & successful 2 YEARS AFTER theyve already been on the label.. they dropped every other artist they had worked with sooner but kept twizler 'cause they believed in them.. Psychopathic made Twiztid from ICP shoving them down our throat... Twiztid helped grow the juggalo subculture.. It's very more likely ICP would be where they are without twiztid than vice versa.. ICP's 90's catalog stands strong af.. without twiztid the juggalo movement wouldnt be as big as it is.. thats about it..  

ICP named Twiztid and boosted their career. Twiztid's talent is all on them. A lot of the songs on Mostasteless being recorded prior, some even being H.O.K. songs. If they would have kept at it, they'd have blown up and maybe even been bigger, but I don't know if they would have with Mono planning on giving it up. Especially with their relationship with Eminem who did, at one point, try to support the local artists from east side Detroit. Just as it's possible that Twiztid may have been nothing with out ICP, it's also very possible that Twiztid had been held bag by ICP.

While nobody is saying Twiztid made ICP, they are saying that Twiztid made Psychopathic what it is. Twiztid made the culture what it is. There is no denying that. They are just as important as ICP in both. ICP owes just as much to Twiztid as Twiztid does to them. They are the only big draw out side of ICP, the only artists that had the drive to push themselves into something bigger so ICP didn't need to babysit them. The whole roster was their friends that they introduced. They built the connection with Tech N9ne. They remained loyal despite J's bullshit. The grew the culture and influenced it's style. They brought upon the golden family era & etc. You can't pretend it'd be the same with out them. ICP might be, but Psychopathic and juggalos would not.

In my opinion, ICP got more than their fair share in this business venture. They're not different from any other label. They weren't just generously giving them opportunity out of pure altruism. They were exploiting a creative's talent for prophet that helped them as much as they helped Twiztid. If it were any other label it wouldn't even be a discussion, but since it's owned by ICP, the leaders of the cult, it's a thing.

chops said
By that definition every single thing posted on this forum or the internet in general is click bait. Seriously has anyone posted anything on the internet that wasn’t meant to get clicked on? That’s the dumbest shit anyone has ever posted in here and whoever created that definition is an idiot   

Are you serious?? If you can't understand how this title is click bait then you should get checked out cuz you clearly have no brain 

Old Mr Dangerous said

And Slum, as far as you saying that Twiztid were always going to make it... there is 100% no way of knowing that is true unless you can go through a thinny and tap into a multiverse where that happened. I for one do not think that they would have been that successful without the chain of events that happened plus the big money behind production and exposure that Psychopathic (used to) provide.

Just madness. All up in here.  

Facts.. Esham has been making better music than twiztid since they both started.. hok were a borderline rip-off group according to J.. Eshams' proof (from Detroit) that just 'cause someone has talent that doesnt mean he's gonna blow up..

Old Mr Dangerous said

Dude so true. I know people personally that are better rappers. It's a combination of hard work and catching lightning in a bottle. Skills have very little to do with success.   

Likability can get you further than talent.. look at Snoop Dogg..

Slumerican502 said

Skills have very little to do with success. Ok buddy. Nice way of downplaying their talent and creativity.

Esham is weak as fuck by the way. That's why he never made it. He had the spotlight and blew it. Facts.  

lol what HOK album is better than Eshams' 90's shit?? I need a good laugh..

"If eminem was black, he'd be royce da 5'9" - Daylyt

Eminems skill didnt make him the biggest artist in the world.. his relatable image (white, blonde, white t & jeans) & TRL is what pushed him over..

there's an insane amount of rappers who were influenced by him and they dont come close skill-wise.. just his image made white kids everywhere think they can rap too..