Psyral Infection said

I just don't think taking guns will work in the US.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.  

HUGE difference between gun banning and gun control. I think everybody believes in gun control to some extent. You really have to learn that before reacting. Though, the assault rifle ban is what's proposed and it's been done before with nothing happening. Look at Bush. I mean the president not your wife's unshaven nethers. (Got em!)

You also have to be really naive if you think the average gun owning American can defend them self from the government. Look at Waco. We can do it much easier now.

I get the argument for having guns very much so. And I'm not personally against gun rights. I think it's an issue that expands past political affiliation with tons of people on the opposite side that agree with the 2nd amendment. Facts are facts, though. Gun control, or a gun ban, would be the quickest and easiest way to prevent mass shootings. Anybody that would physically oppose it if it became law is an idiot that will die. Most probably don't have the balls to put their guns where their mouth is. They sure as hell aren't using it to fight the tyranny of police murdering innocent people. (Well, unless it's fake, 2Pac did.) The amount of people preventing crime or mass shootings with guns is extremely minimal as well. Since pulling out a gun and shooting another human isn't nearly as easy under a stressful situation.

The only thoughtful argument against it is that every time we have tried to ban something it's just gone to the black market. There's no proof that this will happen with guns, since most illegal guns aren't being sneaked across boarders like people try to paint it. Illegal guns are being bought from gun shows where people from Chicago or some where that has a huge gun problem with strict gun laws are going to different states with relaxed gun laws to buy them from people that got them legally. If the gun laws became strict or if there was a straight up ban in theory it'd cut the illegal market off too. Essentially, I doubt it'd work out that way since America always finds a way to circumvent the law to get what it wants.

The Constitutionalist argument is just dumb and lazy, though. To quote Desus & Mero "The constitution shall not be tampered with! Except for the part where it says that black people are 3/5ths of a human." There's a reason they called them amendments. They knew that things change and that ideas become outdated.

The majority of the shootings are drug related. Or are assumed to be drug related. However the dollar General 2 blocks behind us gets held up maybe twice a year. My brother in law 1 block behind us had the last thief run thru his yard. The house diagonal from us was shot at cause a wife was fooling around with another man. I feel safer if i can protect myself. Nobody knows what anyone else is going to do in a fit of rage or drug binging or for any other reason. I feel better having my handgun. I feel i can better protect my house. Dont know much about the gang affiliations where im at, id imagine their here also.

These dead guys spoke the same language about what's really up:

Lol this one dude in Huntington took road rage to the extreme by waving a gun. So much for honking your horn and saying “fuck you”. 

King Lucem Ferre said

HUGE difference between gun banning and gun control. I think everybody believes in gun control to some extent. You really have to learn that before reacting. Though, the assault rifle ban is what's proposed and it's been done before with nothing happening. Look at Bush. I mean the president not your wife's unshaven nethers. (Got em!)

You also have to be really naive if you think the average gun owning American can defend them self from the government. Look at Waco. We can do it much easier now.

I get the argument for having guns very much so. And I'm not personally against gun rights. I think it's an issue that expands past political affiliation with tons of people on the opposite side that agree with the 2nd amendment. Facts are facts, though. Gun control, or a gun ban, would be the quickest and easiest way to prevent mass shootings. Anybody that would physically oppose it if it became law is an idiot that will die. Most probably don't have the balls to put their guns where their mouth is. They sure as hell aren't using it to fight the tyranny of police murdering innocent people. (Well, unless it's fake, 2Pac did.) The amount of people preventing crime or mass shootings with guns is extremely minimal as well. Since pulling out a gun and shooting another human isn't nearly as easy under a stressful situation.

The only thoughtful argument against it is that every time we have tried to ban something it's just gone to the black market. There's no proof that this will happen with guns, since most illegal guns aren't being sneaked across boarders like people try to paint it. Illegal guns are being bought from gun shows where people from Chicago or some where that has a huge gun problem with strict gun laws are going to different states with relaxed gun laws to buy them from people that got them legally. If the gun laws became strict or if there was a straight up ban in theory it'd cut the illegal market off too. Essentially, I doubt it'd work out that way since America always finds a way to circumvent the law to get what it wants.

The Constitutionalist argument is just dumb and lazy, though. To quote Desus & Mero "The constitution shall not be tampered with! Except for the part where it says that black people are 3/5ths of a human." There's a reason they called them amendments. They knew that things change and that ideas become outdated.  

I enjoy these times when you actually make sense. Decrease your pretentiousness by an eighth every year and in eight years you may be a decent duck, quacker!

On another note, this may not be a Michael Jackson question, or 2nd Amendment, or Scruffy Mafia, Juggalo Holocaust, Blahzay Rose's panty vending machine contribution annual totals, Zug Izland fan mail, or bigfoot sightings topic.... but my wife is by chance going to be visiting SLC in a couple months. Her friend will be there briefly for work training, so me wife is going to spend a few days there. Just bought her plane ticket for her birthday yesterday. 

So what is there to do in SLC, homie? The wife isn't a big drinker anymore due to pancreas issues and wouldn't risk toking herb there... her friend is big on the history of different places. Like their architecture, stories, etc.... so what are the sights that you recommend? Anything nature for a day trip? You would rock if you could provide your recommendations. And yes, I understand the irony in me talking shit about Utah and now asking you for tips about it. I have always been tongue in cheek about this all anyway. I actually found the parts of Utah we drove through on the way back from Vegas to be fucking beautiful. 

And I've shot guns but never owned any. I'm a country boy, too. I wont get one unless I needed one to hunt for my own game if the grocery stores suddenly become abandoned. HOWEVER, just like in upstate Ny, there are enough coyotes and mountain lions to warrant having at least a rifle. So, who knows.

You can be skilled in sharp shooting with a .22. Very small caliber but if hit in the right spots will drop a coyote, mountain lion, or the neighborhood serial killer.

My father in law bought me one in hopes of me going small game hunting with him. Ive never been small game hunting, and have thought killing was wrong but for some reason he thought it was a good idea. Ive had it for at least 5 years and have only target practiced with it. Its a decent $20 day spent with the mrs, firing off a couple rounds at cans. 

Any larger bang and your only using it for scare tactics. My opinion.

Old Mr Dangerous said

So what is there to do in SLC, homie? The wife isn't a big drinker anymore due to pancreas issues and wouldn't risk toking herb there... her friend is big on the history of different places. Like their architecture, stories, etc.... so what are the sights that you recommend? Anything nature for a day trip? You would rock if you could provide your recommendations. And yes, I understand the irony in me talking shit about Utah and now asking you for tips about it. I have always been tongue in cheek about this all anyway. I actually found the parts of Utah we drove through on the way back from Vegas to be fucking beautiful. 

I always took your shit talking Utah as playful banter, I don't know why anybody would think I'd be mad about it, I hate Utah. Living here does suck.

We do have a very beautiful Library though. It's a sight to behold. We have those two malls, one right next to the homeless shelter. I think we have a few museums. The Mormon Temple is there, as well as a few other huge churches you could visit. Just don't sit in any fancy chairs I got in trouble for that. You could do a tour of the Uinta Brewery. Exploring the shops in downtown Salt Lake is always interesting. Could always do this three hour tour.

https://www.visitsaltlake.com/group-travel/group-travel-itineraries/pioneer-history-walking-tour/

Thanks, Lucem. 

I used to laugh at people talking shit about upstate Ny and agreed with them.... until I discovered than 90% of them didnt even know what upstate NY is. They all think we are from one of the five boroughs. Now I get testy when people dont believe I'm a rural NYer. But anyways...

This article was interesting, about the recent Australia shooting. Very interesting about the other guy who shot up a place in Montreal because he hated feminists. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/world/gun-laws-australia-uk-germany-canada.amp.html

Old Mr Dangerous said
Thanks, Lucem. 

I used to laugh at people talking shit about upstate Ny and agreed with them.... until I discovered than 90% of them didnt even know what upstate NY is. They all think we are from one of the five boroughs. Now I get testy when people dont believe I'm a rural NYer. But anyways...

This article was interesting, about the recent Australia shooting. Very interesting about the other guy who shot up a place in Montreal because he hated feminists. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/world/gun-laws-australia-uk-germany-canada.amp.html  

yeah I posted the link about that shooting in 1989 there was even a Movie about it he did not want women doing jobs he thought only men should do

and the killer in New Zealand had the name of the Quebec City Alexander Bissonette written on his gun

we even had a TV show called 19-2 first it was in French but it was so good they made it again in English and they did a 13 minute continuous shot of a school shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyNRKp3Kso 

can't find the full clip but it was pretty brutal for a TV show

Donald_Trump said
Ok what about Alexander Bissonette mass shooter at a mosque in Quebec January 2017

and remember Canada might be bigger than America but you guys have over 10 times our population  

1? See, America is far superior to Canada when it comes to mass shootings. Speak to me when you have multiple mass shootings in the span of 3 months noob.

Drunkalo said

I wanna put some hollow points thru some fruit.   

My step dad says the same thing.