I just must be hearing something different than the rest of you. I feel Tech is at his peek right now in musical ability and the artists he is signing are only helping him to further his inspiration and vice versa.

I wanna first strart buy sayin my statement is not to be a diss to anyone or ment to be disrespectful, I dont know you guys other then the posts you guys make on here so I will not talk shit to any of you. With that said:

OH MY GOD!!! How sick and tired of mainstream vs.underground I am, that shit is played the fuck out, fuck em both. Fuck the mainstream but you know what, fuck the underground also. The underground is stuck up as fuck! As soon as anyone gets any mainstream success they are consided a sell-out, As soon as they get a song in a movie or video game, a song on the radio or a video on TV or they win a major award, the underground bails on them. I thought being underground was suppose to be a place you can be yourself, turns out if you dont conform to thier standereds, they dont except you, just like the mainstream. I understand doing music on an underground level, your doing it for the love, because when your underground, you make next to no money. But if you want to make it as a serious artist in the music buisness you have to have mainstream success of some kind. .

Underground artists struggle: You have to be willing to pay other artists to be on your album but you gotta be willing to do shit for free for others, for the exposer. You have to be willing to do a show for free & willing to pay your way to be thier, for the exposer. You gotta premote & premote nonstop in all your freetime, you gotta spend money on a producer or on recording equipment, a mic, cd labling kits, you gotta do everything yourself. Basically, if your doing it underground your not gonna make a whole lot of money, your gonna have to keep a normal job to make a living, & your doing the music for the love

Mainstream artists struggle: You have to sign a contract for either a certain amount of time or a certain amount of albums. You have to do everything the record label, your manager & A&R tell you to do, they contol your image & what you say, they can even control they sound of music you make. You gotta be willing to take a lot of shit & do what you are told to do. You sacriface your privacy because fans & photographers constaly hound you, you cant go no where in public with out getting ran up on. People stalk you. Basically, when your mainstream you get all the fame & money, but lose everyhting else in the process. You lose your underground following, & sometimes you lose friends & family You must really love doing music, not just the fame & money, but you must love doing the music if your willing to give up that much to do it.

Bottom line, we juggalos. The mainstream hates us, but so does the underground. All other cliqs & groups in the underground outside of juggalos hates juggalos. Metalheads, hip-hoppers, punks, ravers, rednecks, emo sceen kids, geeks/nerds, goths, rockers, skaters, wrestling fantics, MMA fans, ska kids, alternative kids, & all other groups from the underground, they hate on us. The underground hates us as much as they mainsteam, so why rep for them. Juggalos & juggalettes are a culture all its own. A culture that stands outside both mainstream & underground. thiers the Mainstream, thiers the Underground, & then thiers us, the Dark Carnival, standing back lauging at how stupied both the underground & mainstream are & how useless thier petty war with each other is. Juggalos dont give a fuck if its mainstream or underground, if we like it we bump it. Thats why at the Gathering of the Juggalos each and every year they have musically acts from both.

As for Tech, Im a fan, I always have been. I dont like everything he does, but thats the cool thing about Tech, he does a little bit of everything. If he truly wanted to be all mainstream, he would stop showing juggalo love & painting his face & stop doing music that juggalos like. If he stopped showing juggalo love, he would prolly get twice as famous from every other walk of life, so hes not showing juggalo love to make money, he does it cause he actually has love for us, it prolly costs him more money then makes him, thats just my opinion about that tho

And I really think a lot of you guys just have a hard time letting go of the old, in the sense that it's not the way that a certain artist does their music anymore, and you have a hard time embracing the new and different. At least that's the way it's coming across. Dinner and a Movie was the most solid album Lynch has ever done minus all the sketches IMO.

I don't get how someone "sells out". It's either you like the artists music or you don't. I could give a fuck less if ICP and Tech were on MTV everyday (even though I don't think they play music on MTV anymore). Is everybody really that concerned that at one point or another in their careers they said fuck the mainstream, but then according to a lot of you went "mainstream". Is there people out there really losing sleep over it? (Apparently because yall keep feeding this thread). 

Fuck if I was ICP or Tech you bet your ass I would go where the money is. It's stupid not to. If you're a true fan of their music who cares if they rap on MTV or behind a fuckin dumpster? If you think their music sucks now compared to something before you did like, well shit isn't that what having an opinion is about? You know what? In my opinion I would like to see a Twiztid/Jay-Z collabo. Now there's probably a million people who would hate that, but at the same time there is probably a million others that think it would be fresh.

On the topic of lil wayne because I saw a few people here mention him, I guarantee if he approached ICP to do a track together they'd be all over that shit. Fuck I wouldn't be surprised if they asked him, It's business and you know what the song would probably be dope. Shit it might be whack as hell and I might hate it. So what, it's just a song.

Well on Tech then, in my opinion I dont think he has sold out. I loved All 6's & 7's, I havent heard all of Welcome To Strangeland yet, but I really like what I have heard, & I actually like Gates Mixed Plate, he said it was gonna be a party album & in my opinion, he came thur. Now of course I dont like every song. Sence Tech does do shit for pretty much everyone, thiers shit I like & shit i dont. Like on Bad Season mixtape, i dont like that song "Lick Your Teeth", but for the most part, I personally really like Tech & what he does, & I find myself enjoying most of his songs. If I put in a pile, a list of Tech songs I do like & then a pile a list of songs by Tech I dont like, thier would be diffently more songs I do like compaired to songs I dont. But maybe by "underground standerds" he has sold-out, but like I said, I dont care about mainstream or underground, so I dont use the phrase "sell-out", like Madrox said on"Cnt" off of "Mirror Mirror", "Its not in my vocabulary, I dont understand that shit" lol. Rememeber, these are just my opinions. 

i like tech but alot of his shit is bullshit like caribou lou

What did ebah end up meaning?? I never heard

DeeryLette said:

scruff said:

juggalo interpreter will now translate:

'soandso sold out'

=

'soandso is doing what they wanna do, instead of what i want them to do'

Yes.

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