iLLtheClown said:

This hasn't gone off course. The fuck you three talking about? This is still about how tech n9ne sold out. About how once an artist starts making songs for everyone they severely restrict themselves. Necro is still better than tech n9ne lyrically and better than escamer at making beats and spitting. guess the producer of this beat

That beat isn't complete shit, but it's also not really mastered to well either and you also have to wonder how much of it was sampled and how much of it was all Necro. To me it sounds like Necro just throws together samples, adds a bass line, then calls himself a producer. It may sound good, which is all that really matters, but in now way does that make him a super great producer. It also doesn't help his case if he is a great producer, he just ruins his own beats when he raps on them. I heard his new shit hoping that the sound quality would be way better than it was on older albums and was very disappointed.

Let me state right now that somebody who knows how to use fruity loops properly could make some pretty fantastic shit. Necro most likely creates his beats out of nothing but samples, meaning he really just steals form others and puts that shit into a beat. I've heard fruity loops users create instrumentals far more advanced than any thing that I've heard from Necro yet. Also, we are grown men, can't we have a simple debate with out telling each other to kill our selves?

iLLtheClown said:

So you're saying The Rza, Dj Premier, The Beatnuts, Dj Muggs and a whole hell of alot others who sample and throw shit together don't do the same thing? That's how Hip-Hop & Rap evolved that's how it works even bummy sevens beats do the same. His beats destroy those thrown together beats tech n9ne has been using. You make as much sense as Mitt Romney wanting to lower taxes for the poor. Warlock you're favorite homo rapper is retiring run to him and confess your love for him before he leaves fore

Beat making has evolved so much further. I never said that sampling beats sucked, I just said that it doesn't take that much talent to make. All you need to do is find the samples, change the tempo of some while you put them together, then master the whole thing and try to equalize the whole thing. Also remember that some artists that use samples don't make the whole beats out of samples and make a lot of it from scratch. From what I heard from Necro it doesn't seem that way. He might create simple loops of beats and simple bass lines from scratch that's it. Listen to Micheal “Seven” Summer's beats. He makes them all from scratch and uses minimum samples. He mixes and masters them way better than Necro. Even if he uses a score or riff from a different song he rarely samples it and usually creates the riff from scratch.

This is why I dislike arguing with people that have too big of an ego, they get way too personal with disagreements. Yeah yeah, Mitt Romney sucks we all know.

iLLtheClown said:

the band sold out its faithful followers, abandoning its edgy style for a more commercial sound this was from webster. Check he had artist like t-pain and lil' wayne two mainstreamed to the masses artist on a track even though he said fuck the industry and blah blah. Selling out is the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money. In terms of music or art, selling out is associated with attempts to tailor material to a mainstream or commercial audience, for example a musician who alters their material to encompass a wider audience may be labeled by fans who pre-date the change as a sellout. This is from wikipedia I would still agree with that. As a spot on mtv sweet 16 & music a.m. helped spread that and Hip Hop squares as well also on BETs video showcase as video and judge for freestyle battle.

Tech N9ne said fuck the industry when the industry wouldn't let him be him and repetitively tried to fuck him over. He still works on his own label, he's not part of the industry. Tech N9ne has said that he is a Lil' Wayne fan and a T-Pain fan. Believe it or not people actually like Lil' Wayne and T-Pain, he just so happens to be one of them. He didn't lose any integrity, morality or principles putting his music on MTV  and shit because they came to him for it, he didn't get down and suck their dick for it. His music has changed because he has changed. He's always said that he raps about his life and nothing else. He doesn't do the same shit he's done on Absolute Power or Everready because he's changed as a person, for him to be making the same style of music he made back then would be selling out. He still shouts out juggalos. He still shouts out wicked rappers. He still does interviews with FLH. I said all of this before.

I'm not one to throw around psychopathic quotes, but this one needs to said. TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS-Jamie Madrox

That means his music changes, you don't like it, who gives a fuck. Life moves on. Quit bitching about it. If you really have an issue on what you think music should sound like then get off of your ass and make your own damn music.

iLLtheClown said:

But tech was on bet back in the day that just pass video was aired on there. His former producer and Don jun was the one who fucked him over. He was high all the time and blamed his shitty luck on everyone but hisself. MTV & BET rarely ever go to the artist only time is for a video about stopping violence or equal rights blah blah blah. Most of the time the artist or their label sends a video to MTV or BET occasionally with money attached and then approve or deny the video. He's a fan of lil' wayne & t-pain more fans for him because they will mention him or feature him. Everybody has a plan.

Yeah yeah, this could be debated over and over and over, but truthfully neither of us really know. Let me just leave it with what I said last time.

I'm not one to throw around psychopathic quotes, but this one needs to said. TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS-Jamie Madrox

That means his music changes, you don't like it, who gives a fuck. Life moves on. Quit bitching about it. If you really have an issue on what you think music should sound like then get off of your ass and make your own damn music.