According to that definition of a sell out, everybody and every artist is a sell out. We all change our morals at one point in life, or even abandon some morals to obtain something we want. So I conclude that this argument is completely stupid. Does anybody know where I can download some Benjamin Britten?

iLLtheClown said:

Selling out for dumbed down lyrics and bullshit guest features. Yea go listen to more of the fraudulent rhymes. I'll stay with the cats who have ambitions of bringing back real skill. Tech sold out for bullshit play on corporate media and faggot fans.

I really don't see how he's dumbed down his lyrics. Yeah, maybe I don't like some of the guests, but that's my opinion and not everybody's opinion.

I know some people who say “I lost respect for Tech for doing a song with some faggalo artists like ICP or Twiztid.” Hmm, so  I guess Tech's music sucks now because that one person doesn't like how Tech N9ne does songs with ICP. You're just preaching that your opinion is greater than anybody else's with out ever thinking about other point of views.

I really just think people are getting mad that Tech N9ne is blowing up because he's less exclusive and knowing something exclusive or belonging to something a bit more esoteric makes people feel superior in a way.

I read something today that perfectly applies to a lot of the people on this forum.

Value Judgements tend to freeze people into the status quo and make them commit themselves to a stand, and almost inevitably once a person takes a position on an issue, even one as trivial as the merits of a movie or of daylight-saving time, the possibility of his listening to a dissenting point of view with an open mind diminishes. Instead of wanting to hear both sides, he goes on the defensive and becomes more concerned about justifying his own opinion than understanding someone else's point of view.

iLLtheClown said:

You post something about open mindedness and your in a conversation of sorts with what is generally my opinion on him selling out.

You obviously started this forum to state your opinion as well as to hear other opinions. You go on to debate against the opposing opinions, yet you refuse to acknowledge any of the points that seem to accurately refute your points. You put the definition up of the word sell out and saying that, “He doesn't have the integrity, morals or principals that he once had” in attempt to ultimately win the argument, but I'm pretty sure that everybody's integrity, morals and principals that they once had has been changed or abandoned by everybody at one point in their life. So every rapper you like is also a sell out, making it hypocrisy to condemn Tech N9ne for selling out, which you obviously do. On the other hand, it's debatable on whether he really has lost his integrity, morals or principals because everybody has their own perception of what his integrity, morals or principals are because they have their own perception on what they should be. So maybe he has never betrayed his own integrity, morals or principals, but he has betrayed your perception on what his integrity, morals, or principals should be. 

1)So on one hand you're right, but you are also a hypocrite for condemning him for selling out while ignoring the fact that many of your other favorite artists are sell outs.

2)On the other hand you are wrong, and he only sold out in your eyes because of your perception on what his integrity, morals, or principals should be.

You decide which statement is true.

iLLtheClown said:

I am right but most if not all of my favorite artists styles haven't changed. For example The Gza still spits the same shit, hasn't changed his style up and but hasn't received the same success as some of his Wu-Tang brothers like Method Man, but he is considered one of the greatest ever. Tech changed for the worse.

I don't think what style you rap with dictates your integrity, morals or principals. In fact, I believe that his integrity, morals, and principals, when it comes to his music, is to try to switch up his style to prevent himself from doing the same thing over and over again and to rap about what he's going through. That statement contradicts, I can't remember who said it but,  the statement that he raps about the same thing over and over again.

scruffy said:

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wheels on the bus go round and round…

sorry, but this thread is longer than in a gadda da vida.  i woulda thought that you guys would be at the 'agree to disagree' stage by now.

I'm bored if this topic now, lets talk about pizza.