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gotj at lost lakes: debrief
August 2, 2017
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Should i walk up to people with racist tattoos and tell them that this guy will cover them for free?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

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August 2, 2017
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NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL THREAD SO SPOILERED AS TO NOT DISTRACT ANYONE

Noah Fence said

He could coverb it up but he doesn't.

If ya mean get it covered with another tat, maybe he's tryin to. Cover ups are usually way more expensive because the artists have to do work arounds. 

I bad tat that one regrets and a white supremacist tat shown proudly are very very different things. 

How exactly does one show a tat proudly beyond literally pointing at it and saying "I'm very proud of this tattoo"? Honest question. 

When someone tells you they are racist, it's best to just take their word for it.  

A racist tattoo says nothing other than "I have a racist tattoo". 

Basically, you're not seeing anything other than the tat. There's a person behind it, man. Maybe it's a fucked up, racist piece of shit behind it. Maybe it's someone who got royally fucked up and thus fucked up themselves. Racism is very rarely a black and white Disney-like simplicity. It's usually a very ugly shade of gray complexity. 

 

I tried to edit my last post but it got responded to before I could do it. 

August 2, 2017
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Noah Fence said
Should i walk up to people with racist tattoos and tell them that this guy will cover them for free?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/sometimes-people-change-maryland-shop-covers-racist-tattoos-for-free/2017/02/21/8fec193e-f30a-11e6-8366-98329d93f4ad_story.html  

As a matter of fact you absolutely should. There's a few shops around that cover em up for free. Some that cover gang tats as well. It's nice to know where they are for situations just like that. Step one is to talk to the person and figure out why they have the tats in the first place though. 

August 2, 2017
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You could get it turned into a sudoku puzzle or punnet square or something.  That wouldn't be a coverup, and basically anything is better than a swastika

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August 2, 2017
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CellE2057 said
Blah blah blah

There's a link on that article i shared where people can crowd source tattoo cover ups for racist tattoos, created by a guy who does the cover up for free, so that people outside of his state can get theirs covered if they wish and cant afford it.

But i mean, even if you can't afford it and don't know about those alternatives, you can always wear a bandage over it. Or a shirt. Or take a shapie and black it out. Or do a prison tat kinda job to black it out. Or get it removed. It's not my job to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he regrets it if he makes no attempt to cover or hide it. 

As for your honest question, maybe the word proudly was conjecture. But someone can cover any tat they are honestly ashamed of pretty easily, even if it isn't a permanent job.

If i walk up to a guy with a literal nazi tattoo and tell him he can get his racist shit covered, I'm putting myself in danger. It's not my job to put myself in danger so white supremacists can walk around with their shit showing. I make it a point to not talk to anybody who would literally rather i was dead than be in this country and even though I look white and get white privilege, let's not pretend that a nazi fuck isn't talking about wanting me dead when he says Mexicans should be killed.

And while racism isn't always black and white as you put it, maybe you should recognize that as a white person, you don't deal with it every single day as an actual threat against your personhood, so your experience is ultimately pale compared to people who aren't white. And the burden of acceptance isn't on the shoulders of the people who are literally endangered by the fuck heads who wear nazi tattoos.

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August 2, 2017
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said
You could get it turned into a sudoku puzzle or punnet square or something.  That wouldn't be a coverup, and basically anything is better than a swastika  

https://youtu.be/S3b5J4Rfg3c

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August 3, 2017
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MORE SHIT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE POSITIVITY THAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.

 

Noah Fence said

And while racism isn't always black and white as you put it, maybe you should recognize that as a white person, you don't deal with it every single day as an actual threat against your personhood, so your experience is ultimately pale compared to people who aren't white.

I don't know what nonwhites go thru because I'm too busy getting shit on by white people (some of whom call themselves Hispanic so that they can sleep a little better at night) for being a kind of white that they don't like. Or being singled out by a racist black community because I'm white. The only people that don't give a shit about me being white is the Latino community around here because they're too busy getting it from both sides along with me. 

I could tell you that my first house was a condo and the only two white families for a four block radius lived in the same house because the whole area didn't want us there and would smash our windows and cut our tires based off of nothing but my skin color. I could also tell you that in every. single. place. that I've ever lived except where I am now, I've had my face shoved to pavement via cops because of my looks. To them, I wasn't white. I was a "nigger", as many of them made very clear. The only place it hasn't happened to me is where I am now. The reason it doesn't happen now is because cops have abandoned my area. They don't care about what happens. They also don't care that there's an unspoken understanding that the white people are allowed to stay so long as we stay nice and quiet and if we make too much noise there are consequences that, on several occasions, have resulted in point blank bullets to the face.

I'm sure as you're reading that shit you're already making excuses and getting ready to tell me that I still don't know what it's like. Maybe I don't. Shit. I more than likely don't. But between the two of us, how many times have you had your face shoved to the ground by cops for no reason other than you "match a description", Tidwell? How many times have you had to plan an escape route because there's someone in the room that truly hates you based off of your skin and they're starting to get hostile? How many times has a whole street been blocked because you were walkin down it? Is it a lot? Have you ever truly felt fight or flight kick in based off of someone else's bigotry? It's not fun and it's incredible demoralizing when you realize that there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. It's the kind of thing that sparks immediate anger when someone dismisses all of it because they think they know what you've been thru based off of your skin alone. Especially when you thought that said person might have maybe gotten to know you a little better than that. 

I'm done tryin with you. Respond or don't. I don't give a shit but fuck you for trying to, yet again, shoehorn me into something that I'm not because I disagree with you, man. 

August 3, 2017
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krunkazphuk said

That's funny coming from the guy who gathered with a "KILL WHITEY" nametag on his chest.  

For those who don't know, on day zero in the parking lot, some ninja was handing out blank name tag stickers with the instructions to write something offensive on it. I think the "KILL WHITEY" that @scruffy made fit the criteria. I failed to come up with one myself and ended up throwing my blank stickers away. I briefly thought about writing something that was anti-leftwing or pro-rightwing but I was on vacation and didn't want to bring my political views into the Gathering.

Did anyone else partake in the make-an-offensive-nametag thingy? I think I remember @noah-fence making one but I completely forgot what it was.

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Psyral Infection said 
 ... Did anyone else partake in the make-an-offensive-nametag thingy? I think I remember @noah-fence making one but I completely forgot what it was.  

I stuck one on a girl's arm that said "Zombie Fetus Hoarder" and wore one for the black market: 

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August 3, 2017
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I wrote legend valley was better as a joke. Didn't realize i wasn't joking.

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August 4, 2017
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*  let us talk for a moment about the meetup massacre...  

short version is, they dont seem to be an actual thing, anymore.  there never was anything meetup-massacre-like goin on.  not as some kind of scheduled event, anyway.  was more like the massacre was on the entire time, if anything.  

what im gettin at, i guess, is that despite the t-shirts and threads, the meetup massacres seem to have been supplanted by the flh forum village.  this is a pity, in my opinion.  massacres are for forum ninjas who havent met yet, so they can put names and faces together, and finally get a sense of who theyve been talkin with this whole time.  the village, on the other hand, is more for the ninjas who more or less knew each other already.  only one in the village that none of us had met before was chuckieboy.  and he just kinda fell into it;  in fact, he was a lil bit leery of the village at the very start.  

flip side is, i cant see how the failure to meetup is any failure of the village itself.  forum members just didnt wanna meetup, theres no other reason for it.  the heat, i spose, but that only really applied to day one.  no question, pretty much everybody who was there knew exactly where the flh village was;  ya had to go right by it to get to just about anyplace.  hell, the love train never ran out of snide remarks for us, so they certainly put the word out.  

anyway.  im not sayin that meetup massacres are a thing of the past, really...  but they could be.  

discuss, or dont.  

  

*  since i mentioned the shirts, lets have a hefty round of applause for @scottied and @bayareashaman!  well done, gentlemen.  i didnt have mine on for ten minutes before somebody came up to ask me where they could get one.  another hit shirt for the flh forum.  

*  i had another point.  at least, i think i did.  whatever, either i remembers it or not.  

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August 4, 2017
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What's really interesting to me, is we did meet a few forum members but they just joined the village straight up. 

In the future just saying "hey this is where we are, come kick it with us if you want" might be the way to go. I dunno. Maybe remember this for next year and ask if anybody who isn't going to be in the village wants to meet up. 

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August 4, 2017
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*  oh, i remember:  

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there it is.  

  

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Noah Fence said
What's really interesting to me, is we did meet a few forum members but they just joined the village straight up. 

sorta.  

i kinda think of mitchell and hypnotized as bein part of the village this year, but they didnt live there.  

In the future just saying "hey this is where we are, come kick it with us if you want" might be the way to go. I dunno. Maybe remember this for next year and ask if anybody who isn't going to be in the village wants to meet up.   

this is what i was gettin at, far as the distinction between the village and the meetup massacres.  

i dunno.  i have to wonder if there wasnt a touch of 'fuck yall village' mixed into it.  

  

shit...  

flh forum members who werent part of the village and/or never came round:  weigh in on this.  unless you dare not.  

meetup massacres was sposed to be all about you, after all.  tell me whats up, id like to know.  

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scruffy said
*  oh, i remember:  

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there it is.  

    

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*I liked chilling at the village, I'm super good with silently soaking in the convos already going and chiming in with my input here and there

*I had a good laugh at bayarea escorting out dmj's homie..than dmj saying my friend said "tell those guys I'm sorry!"

*bayarea and I harmonized youth of a nation otw to the stage to see them live it was amazing...than Prof came on and was very impressive.

*Noah fence and I were fanning out right next to each other for the Myzery set didn't realize till I peeped all the vids  folks recorded of Witching Hour

*Cell E and I had to resist telling a bro from Oklahoma pouring out his conflicted feelings to us that we dgaf about this ICP vs Twiztid thing "be an individual bro"

*when we all knew this would be a unique set when we heard "sleepwalker" start

*the rabbit I drew in scruffs scrap book

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I guess next years shirts have a high probability of becoming village shirts instead of massacre shirts.

Quick thought...anytime a flh member stops by to reveal themselves or just to say hi, we can have an excuse to scream "AWWW SHIT, ITS A MASSACRE!"...or any other clever sayings we can come up with.

Spontaneous "Massacre's" sound fr3sher than a scheduled Massacre...

Ive heard of others jocking the scheduled "meet up" style swing of things...CPN did a meetup with his viewers this year, i bet next year all the youtubers will hop on that train...i mean shit, reno rydaz and yacht club basically had meetup massacre's that were advertised by psychopathic.

We should embrace changes and evolve...let the beautiful caterpillar(meetup massacre) end, and let the beautiful butterfly(village) spread its wings and explore its new realities and possibilities, gnome sayin...next year, it wouldnt be hard at all to hold a contest/contests or throw a party for anyone who wants to come, that would be pushed by PSY, via gathering event.

It would be a win/win...we get to meet fr3sh new ninjas, and draw in more people to the forums, instead of excluding the lurkers...maybe even change the lurkers mindstate of only spying, and finally make an account.

This new reality might be scary for the ogs, but when you embrace change, you make the possibilities endless.

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scruffy said
*  let us talk for a moment about the meetup massacre...  

short version is, they dont seem to be an actual thing, anymore.  there never was anything meetup-massacre-like goin on.  not as some kind of scheduled event, anyway.  was more like the massacre was on the entire time, if anything.  

what im gettin at, i guess, is that despite the t-shirts and threads, the meetup massacres seem to have been supplanted by the flh forum village.  this is a pity, in my opinion.  massacres are for forum ninjas who havent met yet, so they can put names and faces together, and finally get a sense of who theyve been talkin with this whole time.  the village, on the other hand, is more for the ninjas who more or less knew each other already.  only one in the village that none of us had met before was chuckieboy.  and he just kinda fell into it;  in fact, he was a lil bit leery of the village at the very start.  

flip side is, i cant see how the failure to meetup is any failure of the village itself.  forum members just didnt wanna meetup, theres no other reason for it.  the heat, i spose, but that only really applied to day one.  no question, pretty much everybody who was there knew exactly where the flh village was;  ya had to go right by it to get to just about anyplace.  hell, the love train never ran out of snide remarks for us, so they certainly put the word out.  

anyway.  im not sayin that meetup massacres are a thing of the past, really...  but they could be.  

discuss, or dont.  

  

*  since i mentioned the shirts, lets have a hefty round of applause for @scottied and @bayareashaman!  well done, gentlemen.  i didnt have mine on for ten minutes before somebody came up to ask me where they could get one.  another hit shirt for the flh forum.  

*  i had another point.  at least, i think i did.  whatever, either i remembers it or not.    

Yea i was very leery at first, i kinda thought ahhh idk if these are my kinda people lol. No offense. But im damn glad i stayed. Yall some of the coolest fuckers ive ever met. 

I got fucked around and hadbto turn around and go home after i started my journey. I then ended up flying, so i couldnt take shit with me. Scruffy let me lock my shit up in his car which was good good shit. 

i hope we can do the same shit next year. And ill have my shit a little better thought out, because theres no fuckin way im ever going without a vehicle again.

Thanks again to everyone in the village. I had a great time with yall. 

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scruffy said

hell, the love train never ran out of snide remarks for us, so they certainly put the word out.

Yo....!

Were ya'll getting shade from people? Or are we talkin' the usual playful shit-talking between Gathering Crews?

 

And I would agree... for all our hyping of The Village happening... last year STILL had SO MANY people just bopping into the place to say hi and hang out walking from stage to stage, event to event...

"The Village" is for those of "Us" that wanna/hafta/might need to form up like fuckin' Voltron and reprazent for the thing that brought us together in the first place...

"The Meet-Up Massacre" is for EVERYONE!

It ain't a show-an-tell, "Come meet the people you told to fuck off last month"... Come on by and have a hamburger or a dog 'er sum shit!

Other than pledging allegiance to Scottie's Beard... it's all about finding that "YOU ARE HERE" sticker on that map of The Dark Carnival we're all walkin' through!

 

Eh... sounds like a PR problem on our part.

The Village thing is, like... a "goal" for all of "us" around here that almost never see each other but talk all year.

Ay, we can't ALL be the geniuses that came up with yachts and wine n'shit... We ain't offering anyone a keg... We ain't got a stripper pole an' bitches... There's no give-aways that aren't edible...

But I ain't trippin' on it... The Massacres are "a moment in time on your program"... A "successful" Village happening, was/ is "a moment in history".... A living example of putting smoke in a bottle and herding cats... and maybe something about monkeys and typewriters...

 

What I *am bothered by is the idea that anyone was giving Faygoluvers camps shit as they came by... I'm both interested and concerned. Like... wtf were they throwing shade about?

Either way, if we wanna try to make the Meet-ups a "more important/bigger deal" than that is on us... IMO, honestly, I don't think we should be cranking out all those bomb-ass cool shirts on a 'check-in' basis... Make the shirts, people show up and SELL THEM THERE WHEN YOU SHOW UP... we've obviously seen that if people like the shirts, they will buy our old ones! SHOW UP!

An' at the same time, I do that kinda shit for nightclubs... if we wanna make Meet-Ups "events": I CAN HELP!

I can ALSO do that without stepping on any Reno Rydas or Yacht Clubs... maybe the downshift of Gathering may re-open the idea of "site parties".... I'm sure you OGs can talk about The Bar ninjas did every year back at Hog Rock...

 

But I agree... I'd hate to let anyone think that the Massacres have ANY kind of prerequisite to just come and hang with some Gathering Juggalo Homies. But unless we start offering free weed or beer or titties (or just any kinda free shit in general beyond food & water), it ain't gonna be the "event" I'm kinda picking up on a few of you wish it were... and it can be... but that requires a LOT more planning than it took to fall back-asswards into a fully functional "Village".

Yadda yadda gift horses counted blessings

 

But what shit was thrown at Faygoluvers? The Civil War aside... what's the beef?

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From what I remember it was mostly "oh, those people" kinda comments. Shade, but not like "fuck you assholes". I dunno. I think scruffy said he heard someone call us butthurtalos. or something. While laying in my tent I heard someone talk shit about my shitty mohawk so that was fun lol. 

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