Pigg said

To me? Basically the overall ability to use lyrics to say interesting things, or to do interesting things musically

So that includes the traditional avenues like wordplay, multisyllabic and internal rhymes,  vocabulary, and turning phrases; but also things like understanding cadence, alliteration and assonance, and being able to actually say something when you rap.

That being said, rappers don’t have to necessarily need to have all of these qualities for me to like them, and I think having a command over flow is just as important as having strong lyrics.

 

i feel like cadence & flow have nothing to do with lyricism & just helps someone be a more well-rounded emcee..

It might be more important than lyrics in this day & age but i personally would rather listen to rapper who’s actually sayin something with a weak flow than a rapper with a crazy flow but boring lyrics..

Eazy mac goes in. Check him out if u haven’t. I hate he always has that golden cat with him tho. Dude ruins shit

Pigg said

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. If someone is out of the pocket the song sounds like shit to me, no matter how good the lyrics are. The sound is almost grating.

I don’t think something has to be difficult in order for it to be good. There’s a lot of simple music that is still appealing to me.

Sometimes there is talent in brevity. 

I remember really digging your Spittendope album. Those RaisiK beats were fire.  

well yeah it cant be too terrible..

I agree, not everything has to be crazy complex.. but it does when we’re rating lyricism..

yeah, he’s dope.. I got 2 of his beats on my upcoming wicked project..

King Lucem Ferre said
Shout out to Pigg for the Junji Ito.

I’m not hating but I’ve yet to hear Warlock use a word that’s ever took me by surprise.

 

Speaking of lyricism, Pigg are there any Korean words that don’t exist in English? I know German has a lot like ‘zeitgeist’.  

that sounds like some hater shit.. listen to that resonate track & hear me kill your favorite rapper over his own beat..

you know who im talkin about…

King Lucem Ferre said

You ruined it. I gave you the props and the critique in an edit and you ruined it.

 

Short version then, lyrics good, delivery bad. If the delivery was good it’d be better than half of my catalog. Maybe. Lyrics live far below your braggadocio though. Nothing I heard really had an impact that would make me want to come racing back to it. Definitely didn’t kill Kanye though. If you think it did you have a very limited cliche backpacker understanding of lyricsm which relates to how good and impactful lyrics are not just how well you can rhyme, how many punchlines you got and how many words you know. (This song didn’t show off a vocabulary either.)  

I dont remember saying it did show off my vocab..

lol.. you love tryin to take me down a notch dont you??

 

But homie this is my day
Class started 2 hours ago, oh am I late?
No, I already graduated
And you can live through anything if Magic made it

that is by far more terrible & stupider than anything i said in mine..

King Lucem Ferre said

The Warlock said
I dont remember saying it did show off my vocab..
 
lol.. you love tryin to take me down a notch dont you??

 
But homie this is my day
Class started 2 hours ago, oh am I late?
No, I already graduated
And you can live through anything if Magic made it

that is by far more terrible & stupider than anything i said in mine..  

You asked me to listen to it, I assumed you wanted my opinion. In response to me saying that you’ve never used a word that’s ever caught my attention. Don’t be insecure, I assure not everything I said was negative.  

that didnt make me insecure.. I wanted you to hear the track.. I just wanted to point out the original isnt much better.. so i kinda killed it..

yeah, i know your lil tricks.. throw a half a compliment in so you can shit on me with the rest..

King Lucem Ferre said

The Warlock said
that didnt make me insecure.. I wanted you to hear the track.. I just wanted to point out the original isnt much better.. so i kinda killed it..
yeah, i know your lil tricks.. throw a half a compliment in so you can shit on me with the rest..  

That’s not a trick. That’s called an honest opinion. Thinking everything is an attack is fairly insecure.

I guess taking the fact that I’m dubious of the claims that you used to read dictionaries and have an extremely above average vocabulary can be an attack. Hey, you can’t make such bold claims with out people calling it into question.  

I just call it how I see it.. you can pretend like you arent a hater of mine but deep down we both know the truth..

I used to read a dictionary in high school.. I dont use much big words anymore.. i wish i still did..

that was a decade ago, douchebag and I said right after my vocab isnt what it used to be.. maybe that “claim” made you insecure since youre so bent on denouncing it..