vinyllover said
Necro and RA the Rugged Man ALSO are at war with each other and you saw RA's view on mumble rap. Therefore, since Necro also doesn't like Hopsin, that doesn't mean they can't both happen to share the same negative opinion on mumble rap. If Necro hates Hopsin that you can be damned sure he hates mumble rap. Just like those other two guys he doesn't like. You have no point.

All those clowns like Lil Uzi Vert and Lil Yachty can fuck off and so can the labels and media outlets that push this garbage.

Lord Jamar: Underground White Artists Out-Rap Black Mumble Rappers

Denzel Curry at least showed his respect for Rage Against the Machine in an epic cover of "bulls on parade." He strikes me as someone that at least has knowledge of the classics. The way these new guys trash the classics or boast of their ignorance of the careers of Biggie and Pac is a disgrace  

Somebody get a wet floor sign so he doesn't slip in his own tears the whiny little bitch.

TBH I don't think Billie Eilish will just disappear. I think she will last because she's really gone against the average image of what a pop star is and challenges conventions and traditions which music should. She's this generation's Britney Spears which I don't expect you to respect because you probably don't care much about any music that doesn't exist in your bubble.

Also, I could probably find a bunch of videos of rappers trashing ICP does that mean your taste in ICP is trash? 

King Lucem Ferre said

Somebody get a wet floor sign so he doesn't slip in his own tears the whiny little bitch.

TBH I don't think Billie Eilish will just disappear. I think she will last because she's really gone against the average image of what a pop star is and challenges conventions and traditions which music should. She's this generation's Britney Spears which I don't expect you to respect because you probably don't care much about any music that doesn't exist in your bubble.

 

Also, I could probably find a bunch of videos of rappers trashing ICP does that mean your taste in ICP is trash?   

I don't think she is this generations Britney. 

I think she's closer to Alanis Morissette than Britney Spears. I like Alanis a lot more and they sound very different, but her audience is more "alternative" than "pop".

I don't really like saying that anybody is the somebody else of a generation in general but I would expect her audience to hold on to her music the way I did jagged little pill. 

My niece, for instance, is just beginning to explore what it means to be counter culture and she's doing much the same things me and my friends did at her age. 

And I would much rather her in ripped jeans, baggy clothes, and dyed hair. I can relate to that. 

Noah Fence said

I don't think she is this generations Britney. 

I think she's closer to Alanis Morissette than Britney Spears. I like Alanis a lot more and they sound very different, but her audience is more "alternative" than "pop".

I don't really like saying that anybody is the somebody else of a generation in general but I would expect her audience to hold on to her music the way I did jagged little pill. 

My niece, for instance, is just beginning to explore what it means to be counter culture and she's doing much the same things me and my friends did at her age. 

And I would much rather her in ripped jeans, baggy clothes, and dyed hair. I can relate to that.   

I think what you're missing is that what was once counter culture is now kind of pop. More so that the lines aren't being drawn so clear anymore.

vinyllover said
The fact that you don't think that new guys talking shit about Pac and Biggie (as if they are/were nothing) is a problem, speaks volumes about you so I don't need to respond to that. Any rapper that talks shit about those two greats for example is a fucking moron. Period!  

The fact that you're upset about kids not liking the artists you worshiped as a kid speaks volumes. Actually, the fact that you can only name drop the two cliche artists that you probably only praise because everybody else does speaks volumes. I'd argue that 2Pac's legacy came more from his personality than his music, which is extremely dated, wasn't innovative or anything and would have been considered the run of the mill gangster rap music it was if he himself wasn't such a polarizing figure. Why wouldn't you name drop Big L as a legend? Rakim? Slick Rick? Eminem? You probably wouldn't give a shit if any of them got dissed but lord forbid that the two most overrated, over hyped rappers that any pseudo hip hop head will suck the dicks of for cred get dissed. In the end, it doesn't really matter. You're just getting old and what you loved won't always be what the kids are into and the more you try to force them to respect it the more they will rebel against that just to piss you off. I'll laugh at every single second of it. Fuck you old whiny fucks, fuck being told what to like and fuck meaningless traditions.

King Lucem Ferre said

The fact that you're upset about kids not liking the artists you worshiped as a kid speaks volumes.

You're just getting old and what you loved won't always be what the kids are into and the more you try to force them to respect it the more they will rebel against that just to piss you off. 

This.

He isn't a juggalo. 

And anyway, you're missing his point. 

vinyllover said
It would be a good idea not to mix up subjects. If you want to castigate Jamar for leaving out female emcees to learn and revere, that's fine. But at least he's right about the male emcees and groups. It's important to learn the past. Jamar at least has that sentiment correct.

I'm sure there are female OG's he wouldn't count and I bet I can guess his reasons: Simply because rap is rough and raw in content and reflects the harsh streets many of the rappers grew up in. Men are more tougher and macho by nature so I can see why he'd say that. That doesn't mean you can't give props to someone like Queen Latifah or even Jamar's own fucking co-host on his Godcast Raw Digga, or even MC Lyte from back in the day. Hell, up here in Canada, people at least know a little about canadian rap, still talk about Michie Mee for example and what she did for Canadian rap. She's still putting in work. Hell even Deborah Cox did a lot up in Canada. But that's more R&B/Soul type stuff; not quite rap. I possess a 12" vinyl of her hit "Where do we go from here?"  

And I'd argue that hip hop didn't get gritty until the 90s. Actually this same kind of thing was happening with a lot of the old school rappers complaining that hip hop wasn't supposed to be so serious all the time it was supposed to be fun.

Fucking Sugar Hillgang. Not exactly the hardcore image or music you're talking about.

vinyllover said
Bessie Smith, yes.  

Ma was Bessies mentor. She's like the first ever blues singer and without her incredible success touring, we wouldn't have popular music the way we do today.

You should really learn your history. She was the biggest artist of her day. Imagine Beyonce and Jay Z being one person. 

I bring them up though because it's a great example of how every generation creates heroes out of their pop stars and then within a generation or two, that goes out the window. Bessie was Ma's protégé, but it's people who came after both of them who we think of as being the biggest names in blues.

You idolize Tupac because you were a certain age range when he came out, and partly because he died so young and tragically. Same with people (me) who idolize Kurt Cobain. Charisma, good looks, and catchy music and a 13 year old hearing something new for the first time are a volatile mix.