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February 22, 2013
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Lucem Ferre said:

You can mix the acoustic FL Slayer to the Hardcore too, get some great shit out of it. Hardcore is great for some industrial distortion though, for that crispy OG CombiChrist sound. That and the distortion preset for the Fruity Love Philter. I also, before I got the full version, used to use Green Machine too. Green Machine is like a shittier Hardcore. Green Machine is to Hardcore like Gsnap is to AutoTune.

 

love philter can pull off some crazy shit. 

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February 22, 2013
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another thing i didnt mention…  ive been having fun with sakura lately, been able to get some good surreal voices, without sounding synthy. 

the kinda stuff i used to use beepmap for, or wasp, or sytrus.

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February 22, 2013
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scruffy said:

another thing i didnt mention…  ive been having fun with sakura lately, been able to get some good surreal voices, without sounding synthy. 

I forgot about Sakura, you could probably pull of some great shit by plugging Sakura into Hardcore too.

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i would be surprised if it didnt work well.

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February 22, 2013
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Absolutely forgot that it isn't just a synth for plucked strings.

February 22, 2013
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okay, so, do you record vocals into fl?

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February 22, 2013
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scruffy said:

okay, so, do you record vocals into fl?

I used to go to a studio that would let people record for free on Fridays until you turn 20. They used protools to record, I'd always ask to get my vocals bounced separately so I can mix it all myself with FL. The people that would run the recording sessions were being mentored, most of them really sucked too. You could easily tell which ones had a future in the studio and which ones didn't. I wasn't allowed to swear either, so most of the music I've released doesn't have any cussing. But I did still rap about horrendous things. Luckily there weren't too many children around (most of the time). Most of the people that went there were around 16-19 anyways. Now I'm just waiting until I get the money to record again, might just try to make a home studio if I can. I also am waiting until I get everything written and perfected before I record as well, trying to take my time with this project and perfect it.

I have recorded vocals into FL before though, but it usually doesn't go too well (mostly because I never have a computer with the capacity of handling it) Which is the first thing I'm saving up for right now, a good computer that has the ability to handle FL with out flipping the fuck out. I always have to tweak shit and hope that it works out perfect before I save it and listen to the mp3 version. If I screw up then I have to tweak it some more and go through the process again. A huge waste in time.

 

BTW Drops 1 on Sakura plugged into Deathmetal's Friend 2 on Hardcore sounds amazing.

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I'm surprised that not as many people are involved with this convo.

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the a/d converters on my pc, and within the fl architecture, are substandard as hell.  despite its useful features, edison really doesnt cut it.

this is a major shortcoming, if fl is all youve got.  lucky for me, i have my roland, and that is where all vocals are laid down.  from that, i can import the takes as full quality audio clips, and proceed.  thats if i want to bring vocal takes into fl at all. 

this technique isnt gonna help you that much, though, unless youre ready to drop a couple grand on studio equipment. 

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Lucem Ferre said:

I'm surprised that not as many people are involved with this convo.

 

i am not surprised. 

i would not be surprised to discover that there are lurky types, however, furiously taking notes. 

sound off, kids, if you wanna get the goods.  odds are, you need them. 

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February 22, 2013
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the a/d converters on my pc, and within the fl architecture, are substandard as hell.  despite its useful features, edison really doesnt cut it.

this is a major shortcoming, if fl is all youve got.  lucky for me, i have my roland, and that is where all vocals are laid down.  from that, i can import the takes as full quality audio clips, and proceed.  thats if i want to bring vocal takes into fl at all. 

this technique isnt gonna help you that much, though, unless youre ready to drop a couple grand on studio equipment. 

I used to use audacity, then mix them in with FL. Pretty set using FL, though I'm considering doing the dry mix with Protools or something then doing the final master in Protools as well. Considering whether or not FL has the capability to master as well as I want it too. Maybe mix the vocals in with the beat, then take away the beat to master the vocals. Then put's it all together and master the whole thing. Idk, it's worth a try.

Do you master your beats when you're done or do you just wait until you mix the vocals in to master the whole thing?

February 22, 2013
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even with oneoffs, i tend to keep the mixdown and mastering seperate.  so, a beat that has no vocals is invariably unmastered.  when i do the final master, any problems i have can be more easily resolved, by simply backing up. 

the thing about mastering before mixdown is, even when done well, it often leads to a sorta disjointed sound, almost like a mashup, as if the vocals came from a different song. 

really, my thing is to compose the entire album, all the way, track markers and everything, then master it, thus getting a very consistent sound.  this is super impractical with fl.  i dont even know how youd go about trying to do it. 

again, the roland saves the day, here. 

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February 22, 2013
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to elaborate, the roland is a 16-track recorder, prearranged as 6 mono, 5 stereo.  each track has 16 vtracks, useful for alternate takes, overdubbing, and the like.

but, with the added benefit of two extra tracks that are wholly dedicated to mastering.  also, a virtual mastering room, through which i can build a perfect disc image.  this way, i can burn a master cd of very high quality without having to wait for conversion.  really, really helpful. 

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February 22, 2013
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I master the beats that I plan on selling. Especially the older ones. If I hadn't mastered the older ones many of them would just sound, well, not as good.

 

So you master the whole album in one session?

February 22, 2013
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well, in one step, yeah.  usually takes a few listens. 

these days, most cats dont need that kind of quality, they are mainly used to creating individual songs, then immediately putting them out there. 

with the decline of physical media, i cant really blame them, i suppose.  but its not my style, i like the whole album to gel. 

pro style. 

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Yeah, I understand that. The best albums always have their own unique sound or feel that you probably couldn't get if you mastered each track separately.

I noticed this when doing mastering for Hate Musick, the mastering was fine but I didn't like that some of the songs didn't seem to be mastered the same as others. I plan on taking the new project and doing it all in one session, it'll take forever but it'll work. Just load all of the songs and tweak it until it sounds right. I usually have to listen to the songs after they are saved on an Ipod to get the full effect, just because I need a better computer to do this stuff on. If I do this on Protools I could just bounce each song separately when I'm done, it'd take forever though. On Fruity Loops, I think it has an option that allows you to save it into separate tracks, it'll probably take longer than Protools though. If it doesn't allow me to split the tracks up then I'd have to go through and export each song individually, that would take even longer.

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to do an album on flstudio, id try to get a full, final mixdown for each song, render them, import as clips, then arrange, level, eq if needed, and run the whole mob, dynamicly, through maximus.  it would almost certainly require mad automation. 

i still cant see a way around the marker problem, though.  and im pretty sure that fl has no way of creating a disc image.  so, theres no toc, and the whole thing would render and burn as a single, long ass song. 

maybe.  i havent tried, what with the roland, i never had to. 

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February 22, 2013
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Yeah, that's how I'd have done it too, just I don't use maximus I use the multiband compressor. Should try maximus though, never really have for mastering.

I don't think you could even burn stuff with FL though, just export the songs so I'd have to find some other software to burn to Cd, as well as create a disc image. All that I currently have to burn songs to disc is Itunes and WMP and I hear that both tend to lower the quality when burning songs to disc.

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wmp for sure.  never tested itunes, but i cant see it not degrading.

i believe that compression is another thing thats extremely overused.  if i can get away with it, i use no compression at all.  if not, sparingly. 

maximus is better for this, as compression occurs only once, during the mastering phase. 

the thing about compression is, it utterly destroys dynamic range in favor of a bump in total volume.  think of all the songs you hear nowadays [underground or on the radio] where the vocalist sounds like they are singing through a cardboard tube.  or the ducking effect you mentioned earlier.

on the radio, its even worse, because just about every radio station is compressing shit further, because the dumbasses dont know what theyre doing.  some engineer or station manager does some quick test work with his favorite song, then puts a label up that says, 'dont touch these knobs', so the djs wont fuck with it.  never realizing that every song is different, and most of them have already been compressed at least once. 

id rather have my final product be slightly quieter, than have it become thin, muddy and inconsistent.  

this is also why so many file formats, mp3s in particular, are so lossy. 

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February 23, 2013
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Well that's why you use a multiband compressor right? Like the regular compressor compresses everything as one whole, so if you just use a regular compressor it will create that ducking effect.  The fruity multiband compressor splits it into three bands to compress, the lows, the highs and the mids. It works almost like an EQ. I always thought that Maximus was a compressor as well.

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