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So if Juggalos will never forgive or support Twiztid again...
January 23, 2018
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What are your reasons? Be honest. Is it the same reason CPN has? Is it really because of the march? Who thinks CPN and Joe Bruce are more correct about this whole FBI debacle as opposed to Twiztid and Chuck Reeves? If it is the march and the prior alleged “gang list”, can anybody fill me in? I’m having a hard time understanding why the hate for Twiztid continues. Especially since it appears CPN and Joe Bruce don’t have a damn clue as to what’s really going on. Sadly, their false and ignorant proclamations appear to be good enough for other Juggalos to not do their own research and read government documents themselves to see the mistakes of CPN and Joe Bruce. So they blackball or write off Twiztid for the wrong reasons.

January 23, 2018
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From user posted comments:
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/2017…..urt-fight/

vinyllover

Comment posted on 1 month ago at 2:55 pm

The National Gang Intelligence Center was formed BY THE FBI in 2005 AT THE DIRECTION of Congress to help them deal not only with organized known gangs, but also hybrid gangs. The 2011 report IS CLEAR that Juggalos have been classified as a gang in ONLY FOUR STATES. Arizona. California. Utah. Pennsylvania. These NGIC reports are issued every two years. There were no Juggalos in the 2013 or 2015 report as the judges pointed out. Judges are also pointing out that the 2011 report is not saying anything like “Juggalos are a nationwide gang.” The 2011 report is also not a legal final directive for every state in the country on how to treat Juggalos if you see them or have to deal with them in places like divorce court. Nowhere in the 2011 NGIC report is there anything saying like, “Keep kids away from their Juggalo parents during a divorce.” What the judgement is saying is that if you think your rights have been violated, take it back to the local/state level and sue the police for violation of your rights. It looked at the sub sets and even disorganized nature of some INDEPENDENT Juggalo gangs. This and the fact they never committed serious crimes like murder or rape meant they were determined NOT to be a serious national gang threat and that is why THEY WERE NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN in 2013 or 2015.

The judges are saying, “The FBI assessed them for one year because by 2011, FOUR STATES chose to claim Juggalos were a gang. We looked at their semi disorganized, largely independent nature from other Juggalo sub groups, saw they didn’t commit serious crimes like rape or murder, made the recommendation that states deal with them how they see fit and that’s it.” That is why Juggalos were NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN. In other words that judges are saying, “the states will not be allowed the loophole of blaming the FBI. Especially if this state is not a state that legally decided Juggalos were a gang.” The judges are also saying that the states won’t be able to say, “The FBI said Juggalos were a gang in 2011. We’re going by what they said about Juggalos.” The Supreme Court has basically denied the ability in the future for the states to use this loophole and pass the buck to blame the NGIC for their shitty behaviour towards Juggalos.

The silver lining that Juggalos don’t see is that the Supreme Court has GIVEN FULL PERMISSION TO SUE THE FUCK out of the local/state police that have fucked with Juggalos and violated their rights for no reason. And that these corrupt local/state authorities will not be allowed to blame the FBI. The Supreme Court seems to be guaranteeing accountability and saying that one agency won’t be able to blame the other back and forth in court for years and that Juggalos will be able to get some restitution if they follow the correct procedure.

 

Lilej2
Comment posted on 21 days ago at 1:19 am

Dude you need to start posting this on as many Juggalo related sites, Facebook groups, etc. because more Juggalos (and even ICP) need to see this and stop thinking the fight is with the government and the FBI

I appreciate the kudos.

 

vinyllover

Comment posted on 1 month ago at 2:59 pm

Oh and by the way, does anyone remember CPN making a big deal out of this 2008 internal FBI memo where a few officers decided on their own Juggalos were a gang? And this was proof that a gang list existed?
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2013/mar/07/fbi-reveals-why-it-labeled-insane-clown-posse-gang/
Turns out the memo was issued in Salt Lake City, Utah in 2008. This is one of the states that had enough Juggalo shit going on that they labeled Juggalos a gang. This was not a federal, nationwide document. This was a localized, internal memo confined to ONE STATE. This Salt Lake City FBI 2008 internal memo is not a federal gang list. DUH!

 

vinyllover

Comment posted on 1 month ago at 3:32 pm

National Gang Threat Assessment 2011 from the National Gang Intelligence Center.
https://www.npr.org/documents/JusticeandJuggalos.pdf
Also.
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

There is also Juggalos: Emerging Gang Trends and Criminal Activity
Intelligence Report
15 February 2011
https://info.publicintelligence.net/NGIC-Juggalos.pdf

As said before, that Muckracker thing was an internal SALT LAKE CITY FBI internal memo reflecting the OPINION of a few agents that Juggalos were a gang in Utah. We already know Utah was one of the four states that classified Juggalos as a gang. Only four. The 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment was CLEAR on this fact. So this 2008 Salt Lake City Utah internal memo is also NOT a national gang list. The 2011 reports (well both of them) contained NO DIRECTIVE…

vinyllover
Comment posted on 1 month ago at 3:34 pm

…NO DIRECTIVE, telling states how to treat Juggalos. That is why states can’t pass the buck to the FBI for their attack on Juggalos’ rights. That is what the Supreme Court has ruled. So the Supreme Court has closed this possible loophole incase states get taken to court for violating Juggalos’ rights. So if the Supreme Court is guaranteeing that states can not pass the buck to the feds, then I say do what CPN is only suggesting now, but that Chuck Reeves suggested AT THE START OF THE YEAR IN JANUARY with his first show on CPN’s channel. TAKE THE FIGHT TO THE LOCAL/STATE LEVEL.

 

Robocop
Comment posted on 21 days ago at 10:09 pm

Damn u sound like the lawyer. Thanks for breaking it down for us.

 

vinyllover

Comment posted on 21 days ago at 9:45 am

Thanks for the props Lilej2 and Robocop. I don’t post a lot on other places. I bet you guys do. Pass the link to this faygoluvers article around to others. I also recommend people put their prejudices aside and watch Chuck Reeves break it down. All he does is let the documents speak for themselves.

 

vinyllover

Comment posted on 20 days ago at 2:52 pm

Chuck Reeves from October also speaks from LEGAL DOCUMENTS.

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January 23, 2018
5:46 pm
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The march against the FBI was fucking stupid because it’s not the FBI that caused the problems in the first place. The fight is at a state/local level.

Maybe if you guys did some research and read some actual government documents, you’d know what the issue is, and why Chuck Reeves is more correct on the march than anybody. Maybe then you will understand why Twiztid didn’t jump on the bandwagon. Twiztid didn’t want to shit on the Juggalos’ parade with legal facts. They remained silent and said Go ahead and march but know why you’re marching for. Twitzid also didn’t want to look stupid when the legal facts came out to show that ICP and their legal team didn’t even know what the fuck they were doing – which is why the case has been thrown out more than once now.  By the way, it took the judges this December to reach their conclusion. Here is what the result was for juggalos. And I’m using my own words. You can’t blame the  NGIC for MERELY POINTING OUT that 4 states HAD ALREADY classified you a  hybrid-gang that engaged in low level criminal activity and nothing serious like rape, murder, massive drug rings, etc like actual fucking gangs that NEVER LEAVE THE FBI NGIC LIST when it is issued every two years. The FBI agency, NGIC, assessed you for one year, and determined that with your minor petty crimes and semi disorganized, independent nature, you were not a national threat. You are not on any national gang list that says Juggalos are a gang in all 50 states. There is no gang list. Hence why you have never been mentioned since the 2011 report. The FBI said the states should deal with Juggalo criminals as regular criminals and that was the end of it. Take your fight to the states if you think your constitutional rights have been attacked.

I’m inclined to agree. Being mentioned in this insignificant way in 2011, and then never being talked about again because you’re not a serious enough threat and most definitely not a gang in every state…oh wow some fucking gang list. Yeah, that’s a really slanderous gang list. Yeah, whatever you fuckin 17%rs, including CPN. Not only do some of you 17%rs not read, but you’re also too entitled these days. 17%rs need to take some fucking responsibility for their actions and learn how to read government documents and do research. I’ve been listening to ICP for almost twenty years now and the idiocy I see from some 17%rs is just astounding. This is no spooky, bugaboo, “gang list” that states Juggalos are a gang in every American state. No government document issued by the NGIC is titled a “gang list.” That’s not even government NGIC  jargon so why the fuck are we and juggalo lawyers using it? Monoxide and Madrox are correct. There is no “gang list.” It is a bi annual assessment of a group that has only been classified as a hybrid gang in only four states. Let’s drop the metaphors, drop the poetry, and get as literal as possible since we are dealing with a government agency, and in effect dealing with the law.  Juggalos are not a nationwide gang and there is no gang list.

As one judge in the most recent ruling said, if state and local cops are denying Juggalos their constitutional rights based on some outdated 2011 assessment, file a section 1983 suit against them and hold them accountable!!!

If anybody wants to prove me wrong, go ahead. I will change my opinion. From where I’m sitting, it’s 17%rs that need to change their opinion based on the available government documents and realize that hating Twiztid just because CPN does and Joe Bruce does is a bad idea.

January 23, 2018
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this shit is so patheticly indulgent.  

we get it, vinyllover.  youre committed to riding the dicks you ride. 

you really dont have to keep repeating yourself so inelegantly.  again.  and again.  copy, paste.  

  

even if this was a legit inquiry, and i doubt, you aint got any particular right to an explanation.  

  

chuck.  

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January 23, 2018
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youre committed to riding the dicks you ride.

As I said, feel free to change my mind.

even if this was a legit inquiry, and i doubt, you aint got any particular right to an explanation.

Pretending I’m not serious so you can excuse yourself from explaining why you think ICP and CPN are correct about this “gang list” and Twiztid apparently abandoning juggalos by not marching, is pretty pathetic. If you’re basically admitting you believe them just because…THAT is true dick riding. If you dislike Twiztid, at least have a good or convincing reason backed by some type of argument and evidence. Saying, “they didn’t march,” is not good enough as I have demonstrated above.

January 23, 2018
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vinyllover said

youre committed to riding the dicks you ride.

As I said, feel free to change my mind.

clearly impossible.  complete waste of effort.  

even if this was a legit inquiry, and i doubt, you aint got any particular right to an explanation.

Pretending I’m not serious so you can excuse yourself from explaining why you think ICP and CPN are correct about this “gang list” and Twiztid apparently abandoning juggalos by not marching, is pretty pathetic. If you’re basically admitting you believe them just because…THAT is true dick riding. If you dislike Twiztid, at least have a good or convincing reason backed by some type of argument and evidence. Saying, “they didn’t march,” is not good enough as I have demonstrated above.  

‘excuse myself from explaining’? 

really?  

fuck that, you gets no explanation.  you are not owed a fuckin explanation, get it?  you wanna force me to account for my opinion, you have to bring force.  

and i aint said none of that.  so fuck right off with your weak assumptions.  

when you report back with your findings, tell whoever you are shilling for that i said that shit, not the chump shit you made up.  

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January 23, 2018
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Okay, does anybody else want to try and change my mind and show me where they think I made a mistake?

January 23, 2018
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vinyllover said
Okay, does anybody else want to try and change my mind and show me where they think I made a mistake?  

Sure.  You’re trying to get others to base their opinion of their own personal preference on who is right between a couple of dumbfucks with webcams.  Nobody gives a shit.  If you like Twiztid, buy their shit.  If you don’t like Twiztid, don’t buy their shit.  That’s what the rest of the world does with artists that they support or don’t.  They don’t need some dude timestamping fake news all over the place to make that call.

By a user name that was created within 2 weeks of the rise of idiot #2 who constantly posts links to said person because those 2000 views a video apparently aren’t enough attention for a dude who skypes people living in their cars to complain about a guy who smokes Newport Reds into a camera lens.  Fucking stupid.

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If you don’t like Twiztid, don’t buy their shit.

Twiztid is different from Twiztid’s music. I can understand not wanting to buy their shit if you don’t like their product. The consumer has the right. If anyone wants to prove me wrong, I welcome it. And if they can, I will change my opinion. But don’t write Twiztid off for the wrong reasons. 

Blacklisting Twiztid or boycotting them should have a good reason behind it. From what I have seen, the march and the supposed ‘gang list’ are bullshit reasons (they are CPN’s reasons) because the 17%rs have gotten it wrong big time! So if anyone is pulling a CPN for not supporting Twiztid, they should come clean and show me where I am wrong. If they can’t show my mistakes, it must mean I am right and they are foolish for boycotting Twiztid just because CPN says they betrayed Juggalos by not coming to the march. CPN and anyone who agrees with him is wrong. At least that’s what my research has uncovered.

January 23, 2018
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vinyllover said

If you don’t like Twiztid, don’t buy their shit.

Twiztid is different from Twiztid’s music. I can understand not wanting to buy their shit if you don’t like their product. The consumer has the right. If anyone wants to prove me wrong, I welcome it. And if they can, I will change my opinion. But don’t write Twiztid off for the wrong reasons. 

Blacklisting Twiztid or boycotting them should have a good reason behind it. From what I have seen, the march and the supposed ‘gang list’ are bullshit reasons (they are CPN’s reasons) because the 17%rs have gotten it wrong big time! So if anyone is pulling a CPN for not supporting Twiztid, they should come clean and show me where I am wrong. If they can’t show my mistakes, it must mean I am right and they are foolish for boycotting Twiztid just because CPN says they betrayed Juggalos by not coming to the march. CPN and anyone who agrees with him is wrong. At least that’s what my research has uncovered.  

Yea, just checked his channel because I don’t even know why.  He has positive reviews of Return of the Prodigal Son and Year of the Sword.  Albums by what he could consider to be the shittiest people on the face of the earth.  

And that part that I bold faced.  Right there.  That’s your whole problem.  That’s the very definition of dick riding.

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vinyllover said    
CPN CPN CPN CPN prove prove prove       

but apparently missed the part where Bonesaw Wizardstick said
Nobody gives a shit. 

and   
Fucking stupid.  

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January 23, 2018
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said

Sure.  You’re trying to get others to base their opinion of their own personal preference on who is right between a couple of dumbfucks with webcams.  Nobody gives a shit.  If you like Twiztid, buy their shit.  If you don’t like Twiztid, don’t buy their shit.  That’s what the rest of the world does with artists that they support or don’t.  They don’t need some dude timestamping fake news all over the place to make that call.

By a user name that was created within 2 weeks of the rise of idiot #2 who constantly posts links to said person because those 2000 views a video apparently aren’t enough attention for a dude who skypes people living in their cars to complain about a guy who smokes Newport Reds into a camera lens.  Fucking stupid.  

So basically what you’re saying is that we should slit the throats of all the juggalos and watch them choke on their own blood like the filthy swine that they are. I’m in!

January 23, 2018
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I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world. I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo “gang list” to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.

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vinyllover said
I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world. I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo “gang list” to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.  

What about Bonesaw’s solution of just killing juggalos? How do you feel about that?

January 23, 2018
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Obviously I don’t condone unnecessary violence. I think my way is better.

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vinyllover said
I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world. I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo “gang list” to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.  

The main issue in ICP’s mind is that they signed Young Wicked out of spite and that they demanded album masters to perform.  They invited like 200 acts to that merch.  Who’d they get besides their own labelmates?  Bukshot? Cool.  

Young Wicked is still there, and they have been legally selling albums that they previously didn’t own the rights to.  The march is not the problem

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ICP is still bitter about masters? They need to get the fuck over it. I’m gonna have to agree with Chuck Reeves on that issue. ICP dropped the ball. Their failure to keep Twiztid albums repressed in physical form and available for download on the internet does not mean Twiztid should just sit back and take that shit. They had every fucking moral right to get as many of their masters as they could. Thanks to them, I was able to buy their shit on vinyl. Which is dope! I guarantee you Psychopathic would never have done that with Twiztid stuff. Not even if things were still cool. The proof? ICP is still taking a lot of time to put out THEIR shit on vinyl. Nevermind any other artist on Psychopathic Records, old or new!

Time stamp provided. Just hit play. jump to 1 hour and 48 minutes and watch until 1 hour 54 minutes.

January 24, 2018
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Alright, so here’s my thoughts on the matter:

 

I think the ACLU took this case, which means they believed there was a legitimate First Amendment violation. They wouldn’t have taken the case otherwise. I am going to take their word over that of CPN, Joe Bruce, Paul, or Chuck.

I think it’s weird that you call J, Joe, but Paul and Jamie get to keep their psuedonyms.

I think J has a conscience, and even if he had ulterior motives that he still felt a sense of attachment and responsibility for the fanbase that changed his life. 

I think cops aren’t the only problem. MS13 was listed as a rival gang on the assessment. What if they heard that? And they see some dudes with ICP shit on?

I think many police departments, prisons, etc looked at the assessment, became more aware of how many weirdos were wearing ICP shirts in their city, and freaked out, setting their own directives. 

I think there is a reason the ACLU wanted the FBI to formally issue a statement to local police. 

I think I remember a guard bragging about punishing a Juggalo inmate as a result of the “gang list”. In Nebraska.

I think there is a reason the ACLU supported the March.

 

Oh, and I think I don’t support Twiztid because I don’t like the direction their music is going. 

 

http://www.aclumich.org/articl…..many-goals

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vinyllover said
Obviously I don’t condone unnecessary violence. I think my way is better.  

Oh, it’s necessary, huh @bonesaw-wizardstick we have to kill all of the juggalos. Just following in Bonesaw’s foot steps here.

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I think the ACLU took this case, which means they believed there was a legitimate First Amendment violation. They wouldn’t have taken the case otherwise. I am going to take their word over that of CPN, Joe Bruce, Paul, or Chuck.

How about you take the words of the panel of judges who threw the case out a second time? All the points they made are in that leaked courtroom audio. It’s in the first Chuck Reeves video I linked up. All he did was play the whole thing and occasionally stop it to translate the legalese into common lay English. My summaries of the judges’ final decision is correct. The NGIC 2011 report contained NO DIRECTIVE on how state and local cops were to treat Juggalos. So the NGIC/FBI violated nobody’s rights.

I think many police departments, prisons, etc looked at the assessment, became more aware of how many weirdos were wearing ICP shirts in their city, and freaked out, setting their own directives.

 

That’s why the panel of judges threw the lawsuit out A SECOND TIME. You have to take the fight where it really belongs. To the state and local cops. And if they violate your constitutional rights, hit them with a section 1983 lawsuit as one of the judges recommended. The judge even said these local authorities will NOT be able to blame the FBI saying, “The FBI called them a gang.” The judge who spoke the most in that audio basically said no the NGIC report merely POINTED OUT in clear English how FOUR STATES classified Juggalos as a loosely dis-organized hybrid gang due to their minor criminal activity and independent subsets. So the cops can’t blame the FBI for creating some gang label that was ALREADY PUT IN PLACE by 4 different states INDEPENDENTLY. Therefore, since the judges have DENIED this “pass the buck to the FBI” scam from being used in the future, it’s time to hit the state and local authorities where it hurts. The fight is NOT with the FBI. The courts have determined that. If a judge is telling Juggalos who to sue and how to do it, MAYBE JUGGALOS SHOULD LISTEN, CELEBRATE AND THEN DO IT! Despite the march being based on a false premise, there is still hope for wronged Juggalos who truly have had their constitutional rights violated. They can get restitution if they do it in the right way!

 

I don’t support Twiztid because I don’t like the direction their music is going.

Fair enough. That’s not the same as hating Twiztid because of a couple of false premises.

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