FIND ME ONE ISLAMIC MAJORITY COUNTRY THAT HAS AS MANY RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND GAYS AND ATHEISTS AS CANADA, AMERICA, ENGLAND, ETC.

You can't. Clearly something is wrong with their CULTURE! Part of their culture is their RELIGION because of what culture is clearly defined as. You know this and won't admit it because it means defeat for you in the debate. And we know you can't have that.

King Lucem Ferre said

I never said anything about white culture producing rapists.

Then you're a bad liberal and you need to talk to the feminists. They have a lot to say about rape culture in the west.

This is the problem. You're stuck. Either white culture DOES produce rapists, which means brown culture ALSO produces rapists. Or NO cultures produce ANY rapists. And that is insane. So you either have to capitulate to my view, that cultures produce rapists, or assume the view that rape just appears in a vacuum and men do it for no explicable reason. Or you have to make an exception and say white culture is to blame for rape, but not brown culture to blame for brown rape. Either way, you're immersed in an absurdity, a contradiction, or a capitulation to me...and common sense.

It’s about what is better for the Muslims trying to escape countries where they execute gays.

And why would they be executing gays? GEE I WONDER WHERE A MAJORITY MUSLIM NATION THAT READS THE KORAN AND THE HADITH COULD EVER GET THAT IDEA TO KILL GAYS!!! LOL.

I don’t think we should ban Muslims from immigrating here. Letting them in seems to open them up to liberal ideas and they are already changing their culture to fit in with the west as proven.

Rape. Jihad. Child marriage. Female circumcision. Incest and birth defects. Yeah, great contributions to the west. The problems they bring AREN'T WORTH IT. STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT PEOPLE OVERSEAS, CARE ABOUT WHO'S IN YOUR IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN AMERICA/CANADA, ETC LIKE THE ABORIGINALS WHO STILL NEED HELP! And stop dodging my earlier point that we already have enough people in the west allying with gay causes. We don't need to risk female rape, female circumcision, grooming gangs, and beheadings to look for more gay allies. You're a damn fool. PLENTY OF PLACES TO FIND GAY ALLIES WITHOUT HAVING TO FARM THEM FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. And they're not changing fast enough. Stats show this. Too many of them are still homophobic in England and America. IT'S NOT WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN. LOOK AT FRANCE! IT'S A SHIT HOLE WITH NO GO ZONES AND BEHEADINGS! GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE!

I never thought I'd live to see the day a liberal would virtue signal for beheadings and female circumcision  happening in Europe just because less than half of the Muslim men support LGBT causes and we need all the gay allies we can get; damn the consequences. I guess that's how far the left has fallen. :(
So far that gays are realizing that the left doesn't have their back anymore given their alliance with an anti gay religion and many are Trump voters now.

Would you have it in you to tell all the girls who got raped, the men who got beat up, the apostates and gays who were murdered in the west, that their damage was worth multiculturalism and the search for gay allies since apparently western born gay allies in the west are drying up according to you? - a stupid notion if I ever saw one.

Studies show that if you look at what is being taught in high school and colleges, it's becoming MORE PRO GAY AND MORE PRO TRANS RIGHTS. In other words, AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE IN FACT CHANGING THEMSELVES FROM WITHIN JUST FINE! But somehow not fast enough according to your mere baseless whim. Let's get some others in here from the middle east, even the majority of the men still aren't pro gay. Yeah, makes perfect fucking sense.

You’re the one who’s been caught lying for a selfish purpose.

I'm the one who caught you lying claiming not one single no go zone or problem area existed. MULTIPLE TIMES. I had to throw a bunch of links back at you to prove the point. You thought I'd let you get away with dodging them a year later. Sorry, pal.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said

What about the Muslims that aren’t doing it. Do you have a statistic on how big the immigrant population is compared to the criminal statistics? No?

KLF is now literally saying I have not presented ONE EXAMPLE of stats showing that a Muslim minority is committing disproportionate crime in ANY country in Europe in the last few years. He's basically lying now.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/juggalo-joe-biden-won-the-election-president-elect-joe-biden/page-13/#p255630

 

They literally controlled for socio-economic conditions to find that culture makes no difference and you aren’t hearing it because you don’t care because you’re arguing in bad faith.

HAHAHAHA!  HOW DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE THEY SAID SO WITHOUT PROOF?

If culture makes no difference, GO AND LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WITH SHARIA LAW AND PROCLAIM THAT ATHEISTS, GAYS AND WOMEN SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS. SEE HOW LONG YOU SURVIVE!

They looked at the native whites in Norway and said, "Hey, they aren't raping as much, it must be because they have money and stuff. It couldn't possibly be because of their culture that from an early age they need to respect girls, never hit girls, be nice to girls, listen to girls, fight for abortion rights, call out other men for abuse and rape, etc."

You're so full of shit it's embarrassing. THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES THOSE IMMIGRANTS COME FROM DON'T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS FOR WOMEN GAYS AND ATHEISTS ENSHRINED IN LAW AS WE DO IN THE WEST. Culture DOES make a difference. Money and having stuff is not the ONLY FACTOR that determines someone's behavior. It's the teachings and values pounded into their head as a kid and the correction/punishment parents dish out when little boys mistreat girls or women growing up. You argue culture makes no difference for behavior as one grows up in their formative years when their brain develops centers of morality and retains lessons and develops a conscience...because it sounds nice and warm and multicultural and not so racist and bigoted.

What I don't understand is why you presume that I should believe you have been a martyr for truth and been attacked for saying Islam has some bad ideas. THAT'S YOU ADMITTING RIGHT THERE THAT MUSLIM COUNTRIES AREN'T AS LIBERAL AS WE ARE IN THE WEST. SO WHY ARE YOU HYPOCRITICALLY CHANGING YOU TUNE NOW AND CLAIMING CULTURE IS IRRELEVANT - THUS RENDERING ISLAM AND ITS TEACHING BENIGN? WHY THE CONTRADICTION, KLF? RELIGION IS PART OF A CULTURE. Think!

I can't believe you're this foolish enough to be taken in by that last paragraph in that bit about how the majority of Norway rapists are Muslim immigrants, which is clearly politically correct garbage.

 

I literally said that’s the whole reason I’m against banning Muslim immigrants because I want to give them a chance to escape that shit.

Screw what you want, misogynist. Let's let the women of Europe speak. Turns out they have spoken. As enlightened liberal men, we should listen and believe. Follow our feminist principles. Not chuck them out the window when the criminal is brown and make excuses for why they do what they do and pretend culture is irrelevant. I know I wouldn't see you pulling the "culture is irrelevant" crap with rich white college frat boys who have everything in life and still commit gang rapes and get away with it from time to time. Again, your hypocrisy shows your true allegiance. Muslim men over the safety of women and girls.

Now that this is over, would you care to explain to me why ANY country in North America or Europe is obliged to take in refugees from a war THEY HAD NO PART IN LAUNCHING OR PERPETUATING? If you're such a liberal or marxist who wants to defend the middle class and make sure feminism is strong for women and girls, WHY AREN'T YOU ATTACKING THE RICH BANKERS THAT FUND THESE WARS AND THE DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND WEAPONS COMPANIES THAT MAKE PROFIT OFF WAR AND MISERY? WHY SHOULDN'T ISRAEL OR SAUDI ARABIA (those two are secret allies with USA in the middle against Iran and Syria by the way who HATE SUNNI ISLAM ISIS) take in the refugees?
That's what makes me laugh about you phony extreme left intellectuals. You claim to rage against the machine and hate the bankers and war mongers and corporations who profit off of war, but when it comes to helping the refugees that THEY HELPED CAUSE AND CREATE, you let these war mongers and corporate bastards off the hook for the blame and say,

"Throw the refugees into the middle class of European countries so they can practice sharia law and engage in disproportionate crime thus endangering the lives of women and girls. That will make the world a better place and fix everything and bring the war mongers who created the war in the first place to justice. And if girls beg the men to stand up and fight for western liberal culture, call them racist and claim there is no difference between cultures. Claim that cultures - systems of beliefs and morals - have nothing to do with a person's beliefs and morals. Well, they do with whites only. Just not foreign Muslims. When whites try to marry religion or nazi theocracy to government, call them evil white bastards. When Muslims act like this, hypocritically jump in, flip the script and say culture has nothing to do with it. They are just good people with bad ideas. Muslim jihadis that abuse women and apostates are good people with bad idea. White college rapist frat boys and rich white war mongers and corporate heads are evil people."

This is why the #walkaway hash tag of ex leftists is growing. They are going to the right because the left is LITERALLY INSANE AND ROLLING IN HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLE AND TRIPLE STANDARDS AND PATHETIC EXCUSES FOR MUSLIM BEHAVIOUR THAT THEY WOULD NEVER GRANT TO WHITE BAD BEHAVIOUR.

If you lefties want to know why you are losing so many to Trump and the Republicans LOOK IN THE MIRROR!  

This was post was so vicious and provided such a devastating critique with my noted reductio ad absurdum, that what was KLF's only response?

To harp on the "economic" non sequitor TWO POSTS IN A ROW. "Economic factors." "No point in arguing when you don't factor in economic factors."

We already went through this. It's a correlation since wealthier whites in Sweden and Norway don't commit crime to the high rates the Muslims do. That wealth disparity exists. BUT SO WHAT? That's not the only reason for why Muslims are behaving that way AND IT'S A LIE TO SUGGEST THAT'S THE ONLY CONTRIBUTING FACTOR!  THE CULTURE, or BELIEFS TAUGHT AND INGRAINED IN THE CHILDREN GROWING UP AS TEENS AND INTO MEN WITH A DEVELOPING CONSCIENCE, PLAYS A PART! Any psychologist will tell you this.

So this means KLF is ignoring science because it is politically correct. Defend the Muslims. Defend Islam. Fuck gays and women's rights. Bring on sharia.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said

I never said anything about white culture producing rapists.

Then you're a bad liberal and you need to talk to the feminists. They have a lot to say about rape culture in the west.

This is the problem. You're stuck. Either white culture DOES produce rapists, which means brown culture ALSO produces rapists. Or NO cultures produce ANY rapists. And that is insane. So you either have to capitulate to my view, that cultures produce rapists, or assume the view that rape just appears in a vacuum and men do it for no explicable reason. Or you have to make an exception and say white culture is to blame for rape, but not brown culture to blame for brown rape. Either way, you're immersed in an absurdity, a contradiction, or a capitulation to me...and common sense.

Or every culture produces rapists but there is no evidence that Muslim culture produces rapists at a greater capacity when you control for socio-economic factors.

If I were to talk about rape culture in America I wouldn't just single it down to white people.

It’s about what is better for the Muslims trying to escape countries where they execute gays.

And why would they be executing gays? GEE I WONDER WHERE A MAJORITY MUSLIM NATION THAT READS THE KORAN AND THE HADITH COULD EVER GET THAT IDEA TO KILL GAYS!!! LOL.

And you're falling on the lie that I've some how implied Islam isn't a terrible religion that produces terrible cultures which I didn't. I said there is no proof that Islam produces rapists.

I don’t think we should ban Muslims from immigrating here. Letting them in seems to open them up to liberal ideas and they are already changing their culture to fit in with the west as proven.

Rape. Jihad. Child marriage. Female circumcision. Incest and birth defects. Yeah, great contributions to the west. The problems they bring AREN'T WORTH IT. STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT PEOPLE OVERSEAS, CARE ABOUT WHO'S IN YOUR IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN AMERICA/CANADA, ETC LIKE THE ABORIGINALS WHO STILL NEED HELP! And stop dodging my earlier point that we already have enough people in the west allying with gay causes. We don't need to risk female rape, female circumcision, grooming gangs, and beheadings to look for more gay allies. You're a damn fool. PLENTY OF PLACES TO FIND GAY ALLIES WITHOUT HAVING TO FARM THEM FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. And they're not changing fast enough. Stats show this. Too many of them are still homophobic in England and America. IT'S NOT WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN. LOOK AT FRANCE! IT'S A SHIT HOLE WITH NO GO ZONES AND BEHEADINGS! GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE!

Or just stop assuming Islam is going to destroy liberalism in America based on faulty statistics and shit logic.

I never thought I'd live to see the day a liberal would virtue signal for beheadings and female circumcision  happening in Europe just because less than half of the Muslim men support LGBT causes and we need all the gay allies we can get; damn the consequences. I guess that's how far the left has fallen. :(

Except I didn't. See, now you're lying again because you're salty about being wrong.

So far that gays are realizing that the left doesn't have their back anymore given their alliance with an anti gay religion and many are Trump voters now.

Citation?

Because literally do know a gay person that lives in one of these places where he could die and he thinks it's bigoted to call Islam trash.

Would you have it in you to tell all the girls who got raped, the men who got beat up, the apostates and gays who were murdered in the west, that their damage was worth multiculturalism and the search for gay allies since apparently western born gay allies in the west are drying up according to you? - a stupid notion if I ever saw one.

Would you have it in you to tell all the majority of Muslims who haven't done any of those things that they have to go back to a country where they fear death because you think they're ruining western culture?

Studies show that if you look at what is being taught in high school and colleges, it's becoming MORE PRO GAY AND MORE PRO TRANS RIGHTS. In other words, AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE IN FACT CHANGING THEMSELVES FROM WITHIN JUST FINE! But somehow not fast enough according to your mere baseless whim. Let's get some others in here from the middle east, even the majority of the men still aren't pro gay. Yeah, makes perfect fucking sense.

Do you think Islam's hateful teachings are going to take over the west rather than the minority of immigrants conforming to a majority idea? Even you yourself have acknowledged that it wears down through the generations thinking it was some how a good point.

You’re the one who’s been caught lying for a selfish purpose.

I'm the one who caught you lying claiming not one single no go zone or problem area existed. MULTIPLE TIMES. I had to throw a bunch of links back at you to prove the point. You thought I'd let you get away with dodging them a year later. Sorry, pal.  

You threw up alt-right conspiracy links with no sources to back their claims and I threw up a fact checker that entered one of these areas with a cop.

Then you latched on to the "crime is higher" bit, like, no duh there are places with higher crime. Places of poverty disproportionately filled with immigrants. Doesn't mean what you're implying it means.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
In Britain it's 52% lol.
"Half of all Muslims oppose gay rights so we shouldn't let them immigrate!"

Correct. That's too high and dangerous for gay people. Don't get mad just because I'm better and smarter at being pro gay safety than you. Don't be jealous, bro. LOL.  

If I were the one that was pissed off and jealous then I'd be the one coming in to talk shit salty about a year old argument and jacking YOUR swag.

Yet, no, it's you who came in here just to talk shit, resurrected an argument you already lost last year, then continuously steal my gimmicks. Next thing you know you'll be braiding your hair like me at the rate that you copy my style.

You're literally the Tales From The Sick album cover projecting with this one.

I also have to point out that the English statistic says 52% is against homosexuality being legal but only 42?% are against teachers and politicians or people of authority being gay. So, like, what do they mean by gay being legal? Gay marriage maybe? IDK they didn't specify. But if only 40 something percent are against having gay teachers than it obviously isn't 52% wanting to throw gay people in jail.

Or every culture produces rapists but there is no evidence that Muslim culture produces rapists at a greater capacity when you control for socio-economic factors.

Wrong again. Look at the examples I gave in Europe. Screaming "socio-economics" because of the Norway example is looking at a CORRELATION, NOT A CAUSATION. Culture matters whether you like it or not. When you open the door and say "culture produces rapists" like you just did, GAME OVER! I win.

If I were to talk about rape culture in America I wouldn’t just single it down to white people.

This is not required, in order to notice how Muslims have trouble behaving themselves in the west.

just stop assuming Islam is going to destroy liberalism in America based on faulty statistics and shit logic.

SHOW ME ONE NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT IS AS PROGRESSIVE WITH RIGHTS FOR WOMEN, GAYS AND ATHEISTS AS WESTERN NATIONS. Otherwise, you have NO JUSTIFICATION for pretending that the laws and freedoms in the west were just created in a vacuum instead of passed and signed into law by majority white liberals. If you grant that humans create laws, then you have to accept that CLEARLY the laws reflect the overall culture of the land. And since there is no Muslim country in the middle east that is as liberal as so many are in the west, it's clear their culture is inferior. The Muslim culture is the ONLY CULTURE that has been responsible for spreading female genital mutilation in Europe and even parts of Africa where it wasn't before.
So yeah, it's clearly a shit culture!

Would you have it in you to tell all the majority of Muslims who haven’t done any of those things that they have to go back to a country where they fear death because you think they’re ruining western culture?

Like a typical nut, you take a wide interpretation of what I mean when I say close the borders no more Muslim immigration in the west. "So do you want to send the non criminals back then?" No I never said that. Where do you come up with that nonsense? To argue such would be a non sequitor. I'm not that fallacious. Non sequitors are your business.

Do you think Islam’s hateful teachings are going to take over the west

At the rate of rape, grooming gangs, sharia courts, female circumcision in the west, their level of breeding versus native Europeans who are having less children, YES at the CURRENT DEMOGRAPHIC RATE IF IT WAS MAINTAINED, Muslims would take over and institute sharia law if they were the majority. MANY HAVE ALREADY TRIED AND THEY'RE A MINORITY. THEY'RE BUSY SOFT PEDDLING SHARIA TO IGNORANT EUROPEAN WHITES AT PLACES LIKE SPEAKERS CORNER in England.

You threw up alt-right conspiracy links with no sources to back their claims and I threw up a fact checker that entered one of these areas with a cop.

Now who's peddling anecdotal evidence to avoid looking at all the evidence of no go zones because you're in a panic and on a moral quest to defeat racism or something - evidence to the negative effects of Muslim immigration be damned.

Then you latched on to the “crime is higher” bit, like, no duh there are places with higher crime. Places of poverty disproportionately filled with immigrants. Doesn’t mean what you’re implying it means.

And we're back to the fallacious "economics explains everything" non sequitor that pretends culture and the beliefs a person is raised and ingrained with play no roll. Here you are flouting your nose at the science of psychology once again. Ignoring psychology. You're anti-science. Your virtue signaling for beheading and female circumcision is tiresome.

Correct. That’s too high and dangerous for gay people. Don’t get mad just because I’m better and smarter at being pro gay safety than you. Don’t be jealous, bro. LOL.  

If I were the one that was pissed off and jealous then I’d be the one coming in to talk shit salty about a year old argument and jacking YOUR swag.

Emoticons are now "swag". Get a life! And stop pretending you don't see the bold text. I know it's an uncomfortable truth.

LOL @ Liberal Marxist protecting the middle class. You have to know that communism, & Marxism, is about abolishing class, right?

The FINAL stage or the END OF HISTORY, as they like to call it can only happen in steps. Before the wealth is taken from the wealthy, the wealthy HAVE TO BE ATTACKED and made accountable for their crimes. One of those crimes are WAR CRIMES and PROFITING FROM WAR AND MISERY. So yeah, being against war and the subsequent death and poverty is to in fact protect the middle and lower classes AT THE TIME because during WAR, it is the middle and lower classes that not only die in the fighting armies, but also are civilian casualties. And since in order to get to total equality, or no class division, for the INTERMEDIATE STAGE, for the TIME BEING, yes, a proper marxist would want to protect the middle class or reimburse them for their losses at the hands of corporate fat cats and bankers and weapons companies and defense contractors that funded and created the war that cost millions of lives - lives that the marxists are sworn to protect. Ya know to PREVENT WAR and PREVENT PROFIT FROM MURDER!

Did that register in your brain? Was that simple enough? Is it okay to talk about INTERMEDIATE STAGES of getting to the final end of marxism or world communism or do we always have to talk about the find end and nothing else with you? LOL. Give me a break.

Now that I have reminded you of the leftists' DUTY to HOLD THE ACTUAL CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE REFUGEES, I will ask you again, WHY YOU REFUSE TO DO SO?

Now that this is over, would you care to explain to me why ANY country in North America or Europe is obliged to take in refugees from a war THEY HAD NO PART IN LAUNCHING OR PERPETUATING? If you’re such a liberal or marxist who wants to defend the middle class and make sure feminism is strong for women and girls, WHY AREN’T YOU ATTACKING THE RICH BANKERS THAT FUND THESE WARS AND THE DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND WEAPONS COMPANIES THAT MAKE PROFIT OFF WAR AND MISERY? WHY SHOULDN’T ISRAEL OR SAUDI ARABIA (those two are secret allies with USA in the middle against Iran and Syria by the way who HATE SUNNI ISLAM ISIS) take in the refugees?
That’s what makes me laugh about you phony extreme left intellectuals. You claim to rage against the machine and hate the bankers and war mongers and corporations who profit off of war, but when it comes to helping the refugees that THEY HELPED CAUSE AND CREATE, you let these war mongers and corporate bastards off the hook for the blame and say,

“Throw the refugees into the middle class of European countries so they can practice sharia law and engage in disproportionate crime thus endangering the lives of women and girls. That will make the world a better place and fix everything and bring the war mongers who created the war in the first place to justice. And if girls beg the men to stand up and fight for western liberal culture, call them racist and claim there is no difference between cultures. Claim that cultures – systems of beliefs and morals – have nothing to do with a person’s beliefs and morals. Well, they do with whites only. Just not foreign Muslims. When whites try to marry religion or nazi theocracy to government, call them evil white bastards. When Muslims act like this, hypocritically jump in, flip the script and say culture has nothing to do with it. They are just good people with bad ideas. Muslim jihadis that abuse women and apostates are good people with bad idea. White college rapist frat boys and rich white war mongers and corporate heads are evil people.”

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO's of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!

Pigg said
Grouping all Muslims with the bad ones

Nobody's doing that. Not even me.

vinyllover said

Or every culture produces rapists but there is no evidence that Muslim culture produces rapists at a greater capacity when you control for socio-economic factors.

Wrong again. Look at the examples I gave in Europe. Screaming "socio-economics" because of the Norway example is looking at a CORRELATION, NOT A CAUSATION. Culture matters whether you like it or not. When you open the door and say "culture produces rapists" like you just did, GAME OVER! I win.

Actually looking at the immigrant statistic only is confusing correlation with causation. When that statistic disappears after you control for socio-economic conditions it proves that the culture wasn't causing it.

If I were to talk about rape culture in America I wouldn’t just single it down to white people.

This is not required, in order to notice how Muslims have trouble behaving themselves in the west.

Except for when you control for socio-economic conditions it shows that the correlation of Muslims with crime isn't the causation.

just stop assuming Islam is going to destroy liberalism in America based on faulty statistics and shit logic.

SHOW ME ONE NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT IS AS PROGRESSIVE WITH RIGHTS FOR WOMEN, GAYS AND ATHEISTS AS WESTERN NATIONS. Otherwise, you have NO JUSTIFICATION for pretending that the laws and freedoms in the west were just created in a vacuum instead of passed and signed into law by majority white liberals. If you grant that humans create laws, then you have to accept that CLEARLY the laws reflect the overall culture of the land. And since there is no Muslim country in the middle east that is as liberal as so many are in the west, it's clear their culture is inferior. The Muslim culture is the ONLY CULTURE that has been responsible for spreading female genital mutilation in Europe and even parts of Africa where it wasn't before.
So yeah, it's clearly a shit culture!

Turkey?

Would you have it in you to tell all the majority of Muslims who haven’t done any of those things that they have to go back to a country where they fear death because you think they’re ruining western culture?

Like a typical nut, you take a wide interpretation of what I mean when I say close the borders no more Muslim immigration in the west. "So do you want to send the non criminals back then?" No I never said that. Where do you come up with that nonsense? To argue such would be a non sequitor. I'm not that fallacious. Non sequitors are your business.

So you just want to spit on their face at the border as they try to seek asylum. That's so much better.

Do you think Islam’s hateful teachings are going to take over the west

At the rate of rape, grooming gangs, sharia courts, female circumcision in the west, their level of breeding versus native Europeans who are having less children, YES at the CURRENT DEMOGRAPHIC RATE IF IT WAS MAINTAINED, Muslims would take over and institute sharia law if they were the majority. MANY HAVE ALREADY TRIED AND THEY'RE A MINORITY. THEY'RE BUSY SOFT PEDDLING SHARIA TO IGNORANT EUROPEAN WHITES AT PLACES LIKE SPEAKERS CORNER in England.

So you're just irrational. Oh what a shocker.

You threw up alt-right conspiracy links with no sources to back their claims and I threw up a fact checker that entered one of these areas with a cop.

Now who's peddling anecdotal evidence to avoid looking at all the evidence of no go zones because you're in a panic and on a moral quest to defeat racism or something - evidence to the negative effects of Muslim immigration be damned.

That wasn't purely anecdotal though.

Then you latched on to the “crime is higher” bit, like, no duh there are places with higher crime. Places of poverty disproportionately filled with immigrants. Doesn’t mean what you’re implying it means.

And we're back to the fallacious "economics explains everything" non sequitor that pretends culture and the beliefs a person is raised and ingrained with play no roll. Here you are flouting your nose at the science of psychology once again. Ignoring psychology. You're anti-science. Your virtue signaling for beheading and female circumcision is tiresome.

When the statistic disappears when you control for socio-economic conditions it proves that the correlation of immigration with crime is not the causation.

Correct. That’s too high and dangerous for gay people. Don’t get mad just because I’m better and smarter at being pro gay safety than you. Don’t be jealous, bro. LOL.  

If I were the one that was pissed off and jealous then I’d be the one coming in to talk shit salty about a year old argument and jacking YOUR swag.

Emoticons are now "swag". Get a life! And stop pretending you don't see the bold text. I know it's an uncomfortable truth.

You start using laugh emotes right after me and use the audience gimmick just like I used to. Bruh, you're trying to be me and that's why it means so much to you that I proved you wrong.

Also proves that you're arguing in bad faith.

LOL @ Liberal Marxist protecting the middle class. You have to know that communism, & Marxism, is about abolishing class, right?

The FINAL stage or the END OF HISTORY, as they like to call it can only happen in steps. Before the wealth is taken from the wealthy, the wealthy HAVE TO BE ATTACKED and made accountable for their crimes. One of those crimes are WAR CRIMES and PROFITING FROM WAR AND MISERY. So yeah, being against war and the subsequent death and poverty is to in fact protect the middle and lower classes AT THE TIME because during WAR, it is the middle and lower classes that not only die in the fighting armies, but also are civilian casualties. And since in order to get to total equality, or no class division, for the INTERMEDIATE STAGE, for the TIME BEING, yes, a proper marxist would want to protect the middle class or reimburse them for their losses at the hands of corporate fat cats and bankers and weapons companies and defense contractors that funded and created the war that cost millions of lives - lives that the marxists are sworn to protect. Ya know to PREVENT WAR and PREVENT PROFIT FROM MURDER!

You actually want me to trust your interpretation of Marxism when you have a hard time interpreting statistical evidence properly?

Did that register in your brain? Was that simple enough? Is it okay to talk about INTERMEDIATE STAGES of getting to the final end of marxism or world communism or do we always have to talk about the find end and nothing else with you? LOL. Give me a break.

No, I just know that Marxists and liberals don't get a long and I've never heard a Marxist shout "Protect the middle class!"

Now that I have reminded you of the leftists' DUTY to HOLD THE ACTUAL CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE REFUGEES, I will ask you again, WHY YOU REFUSE TO DO SO?

No because not every refugee trying to flee from the shit country is a criminal.

Now that this is over, would you care to explain to me why ANY country in North America or Europe is obliged to take in refugees from a war THEY HAD NO PART IN LAUNCHING OR PERPETUATING? If you’re such a liberal or marxist who wants to defend the middle class and make sure feminism is strong for women and girls, WHY AREN’T YOU ATTACKING THE RICH BANKERS THAT FUND THESE WARS AND THE DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND WEAPONS COMPANIES THAT MAKE PROFIT OFF WAR AND MISERY? WHY SHOULDN’T ISRAEL OR SAUDI ARABIA (those two are secret allies with USA in the middle against Iran and Syria by the way who HATE SUNNI ISLAM ISIS) take in the refugees?

I can have two differing stances. I don't think it's our duty to take in refugees. I just prefer it. I also am against an out right ban of immigration based on shit logic.

That’s what makes me laugh about you phony extreme left intellectuals. You claim to rage against the machine and hate the bankers and war mongers and corporations who profit off of war, but when it comes to helping the refugees that THEY HELPED CAUSE AND CREATE, you let these war mongers and corporate bastards off the hook for the blame and say,

“Throw the refugees into the middle class of European countries so they can practice sharia law and engage in disproportionate crime thus endangering the lives of women and girls. That will make the world a better place and fix everything and bring the war mongers who created the war in the first place to justice. And if girls beg the men to stand up and fight for western liberal culture, call them racist and claim there is no difference between cultures. Claim that cultures – systems of beliefs and morals – have nothing to do with a person’s beliefs and morals. Well, they do with whites only. Just not foreign Muslims. When whites try to marry religion or nazi theocracy to government, call them evil white bastards. When Muslims act like this, hypocritically jump in, flip the script and say culture has nothing to do with it. They are just good people with bad ideas. Muslim jihadis that abuse women and apostates are good people with bad idea. White college rapist frat boys and rich white war mongers and corporate heads are evil people.”

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO's of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!  

Now you're redirecting the conversation to another strawman red hearing because you're mad because I proved you wrong.

It's raining tears.